Team Kit Chinese Style!!!!!

lackofgrip

Does anyone buy the Chinese copy kits?
Are they anygood? Does quality differ between different chinese supppliers or is it all the same?

styxd

What team are you in? Can't you just get it from your team manager?

mroli

Seriously Dude - if you love a team so much that you want to wear their kit, then buy their kit and support the team. If not, buy good unbranded gear - it'll be better quality

Gazzaputt

mroli wrote:

Seriously Dude - if you love a team so much that you want to wear their kit, then buy their kit and support the team. If not, buy good unbranded gear - it'll be better quality

Ahem I beg to differ. Have you owned the chinese kit at all?

I bought and original Sky Adidas jersey and a Chinese copy. The Chinese copy was far and away the better jersey.

Better fabrics, fit and full length zip.

lackofgrip

Thanks for your replies guys what websites do you use to buy the chinese stuff

sherer

only thing I've heard about some of the Chinese copies is that it doesn't always breath as well as the team kit.

I can see why some buy it though, sometimes the team kit doesn't have a full length zip and can't see the point of buying the short zip jerseys.

lackofgrip

sherer wrote:

only thing I've heard about some of the Chinese copies is that it doesn't always breath as well as the team kit.

I can see why some buy it though, sometimes the team kit doesn't have a full length zip and can't see the point of buying the short zip jerseys.

full zip always better for that unzipped super climbing sweating like buggery Marco Pantani look

meesterbond

Gazzaputt wrote:

mroli wrote:

Seriously Dude - if you love a team so much that you want to wear their kit, then buy their kit and support the team. If not, buy good unbranded gear - it'll be better quality

Ahem I beg to differ. Have you owned the chinese kit at all?

I bought and original Sky Adidas jersey and a Chinese copy. The Chinese copy was far and away the better jersey.

Better fabrics, fit and full length zip.

The first point still stands though. Why support the market for fakes.

pkripper

Just buy proper kit.

mroli

Gazzaputt wrote:

Ahem I beg to differ. Have you owned the chinese kit at all?

I bought and original Sky Adidas jersey and a Chinese copy. The Chinese copy was far and away the better jersey.

Better fabrics, fit and full length zip.

The Adidas replica kit was well known to be rubbish. I just don't understand why you would want the affiliation to a particular team when in fact you aren't affiliating to them at all, you are ripping them off. You are saying "I'm a [x] team supporter, but instead of giving my money to them, I'm giving it to someone who is stealing their intellectual property, designs and a source of their income.

Re quality - A mate bought the FDJ chinese kit and it was awful - looked good for 3/4 rides, but then threads pulled etc - he doesn't wear it any more and the shorts/bibs he never wore. I think I'd far rather spend my money on DHB kit or kit from sportpursuit which is reduced and is imho much higher quality than the chinese kit I've seen.

oli2001

tops are good, i've got SS and LS jerseys, thermal winter ones too. shorts are ok, but pad ain't great. having said that the last ones i got (about a week ago had a new designed pad in and are much better)
very divisive subject but chinese gets my money for everyday gear and i buy luxury from UK/italy and ......you 've got the best of both worlds

schlepcycling

lackofgrip wrote:

Thanks for your replies guys what websites do you use to buy the chinese stuff

I've used these people before http://www.montoncycle.com/

markp80

I've used Monton. Jersey was ok, but as someone mentioned, the pad in the shorts wasn't very good.

t4tomo

meesterbond wrote:

The first point still stands though. Why support the market for fakes.

Or conversely, why get ripped off by kit manufacturers by paying massively inflated prices for permission to use their logo?

meesterbond

t4tomo wrote:

meesterbond wrote:

The first point still stands though. Why support the market for fakes.

Or conversely, why get ripped off by kit manufacturers by paying massively inflated prices for permission to use their logo?

So if you think something is overpriced, but you still want people to think you own it, then you're happy to import an illegal copy?

Omar Little

I've bought some stuff from monton before - the quality is decent enough for the price but the sizing and fit is a bit weird (and generally not consistent at all - last time i ordered it was 2 large tops one was tight fitting and the other was very baggy - to the extent that i can wear a baselayer, mid layer merino and a windstopper under it and is still baggy!) so you really take a chance because it would be a major ballache having to send it back.

lackofgrip

If manufacturers priced their shirts reasonably maybe the "black market" would cease to exist. I'd prefer not to buy copies but you have to go to your budget. Proper gear is really expensive. It's all ok if you have plenty of cash.

Monty Dog

There's plenty of decent quality unbranded kit out there, or is this to go with your knock-off Oakleys?

If it was your business or intellectual property that you'd invested significant time and money that was being ripped-off, would you feel the same?

Barteos

mroli wrote:

... I just don't understand why you would want the affiliation to a particular team when in fact you aren't affiliating to them at all, you are ripping them off. You are saying "I'm a [x] team supporter, but instead of giving my money to them, I'm giving it to someone who is stealing their intellectual property, designs and a source of their income...

1+

I'm afraid that very few people are capable of grasping the concept of intellectual property and to understand that from the POV of the company there is no difference between folks buying fakes and folks looting the warehouse.
In a free market economy based on supply and demand businesses can put any prices they want on their products. If you don't like the price or you can't afford it (hard to admit isn't it?) you simply don't buy it and pick a cheaper alternative.

The "overpriced", "rip-off" type of arguments are frankly speaking ludicrous. You don't go to a shop to steal something because is overpriced right?

SpainSte

Barteos wrote:

The "overpriced", "rip-off" type of arguments are frankly speaking ludicrous. You don't go to a shop to steal something because is overpriced right?

Sadly some people do, see the riots a couple of summers ago.

I agree with you, if I support a team (in any sport), I buy their kit to show my support and in the hope that the money I spent will in some way get back to the team (or individual) and help them improve their performance, or just pay higher wages to attract better players etc.

If you buy kit from elsewhere your just effectively supporting criminals. If you can't afford £145 for the Rapha kit etc then just get a nice Castelli one etc for half that price, quality will probably be better and you've saved some £££'s.

alihisgreat

elderone

Buying fakes off ebay is not at this point illegal,where as looting is,so not a good comparison.Also not always down to affordability but choice.If these goods are legally available then the price you pay is personal choice.
Personally I cant afford a Ferrari but it,s not hard to admit.

SpainSte

elderone wrote:

Buying fakes off ebay is not at this point illegal,where as looting is,so not a good comparison.Also not always down to affordability but choice.If these goods are legally available then the price you pay is personal choice.
Personally I cant afford a Ferrari but it,s not hard to admit.

Way to twist what I said out of all recognition.

It is not illegal for you to buy fake clothes. It is illegal for the people to make said fake clothes. Therefore, as I clearly stated, by buying non-genuine sporting equipment, you are clearly supporting criminals.

The quote I was responding was the general one - there are many people out there (as evidenced by the riots and looting) that will gladly take something for free that they considered too expensive previously.

mroli

elderone wrote:

Buying fakes off ebay is not at this point illegal,where as looting is.

Not helping an old lady who is being mugged is not illegal and neither is buying fakes off of ebay. :roll: To be honest, the OTT comparisons are not helpful - it is a simple matter of why pretend to be something you're not? Wearing team kit is about affiliation.

One of the posters on here said something about people ripping you off to allow you to wear their brand, but rides a Brompton. If Brompton sacrificed some of the things they hold dear (manufacturing in London by hand), their prices would be a lot lower - they control their suppliers rigidly. They have very succesfully gone after infringers of their IPR too.

mjbennett

For what it's worth, UK manufactured kit Lusso is decent quality and really good value.

elderone

SpainSte wrote:

elderone wrote:

Buying fakes off ebay is not at this point illegal,where as looting is,so not a good comparison.Also not always down to affordability but choice.If these goods are legally available then the price you pay is personal choice.
Personally I cant afford a Ferrari but it,s not hard to admit.

Way to twist what I said out of all recognition.

It is not illegal for you to buy fake clothes. It is illegal for the people to make said fake clothes. Therefore, as I clearly stated, by buying non-genuine sporting equipment, you are clearly supporting criminals.

The quote I was responding was the general one - there are many people out there (as evidenced by the riots and looting) that will gladly take something for free that they considered too expensive previously.

I havn,t twisted any thing you said.purely stated with no preference either way that buying what kit you can legally is down to choice.Im not justifying anything,but as I said,If its legal then its down to some ones own opinion whether to buy or not.Why you banging on about looting?,this thread is nothing to do with looting.People who loot are criminals yes,no argument there but in no way shape or form is buying kit of the WWW web,looting.
You wanna climb down of your high horse and get real,monies tight and people have to do the best they can.
PS,does your opposition stretch to chinese copy frames or is it just kit you have an issue with.

iPete

Monies tight, buy the legit kit from another company then, get some dhb instead of some fake team kit.

I can't afford a ferrari, doesn't mean I'll be buying a kitted up MR2 anytime soon.

meesterbond

ALIHISGREAT wrote:

Why are they all having their photo taken in a storage facility - did the Chinese Olympic team have its base in the Big Yellow Storage Co in Kingston?

elderone

iPete wrote:

Monies tight, buy the legit kit from another company then, get some dhb instead of some fake team kit.

I can't afford a ferrari, doesn't mean I'll be buying a kitted up MR2 anytime soon.

Why?If people want team kit who are you to decide where they get it from.It is individual choice in the end.
As i stated,I havn,t comented on this thread in defence of any kit,but peoples right to choose for them selves.

Btw didn,t realise MR2.s were made by rip off chinese criminals.Thanks for that info.

freddiegrubb

Copy/genuine, I can't understand why anybody wants to advertise on their clothing & not get paid for it.

iPete

didn't you get the memo?