Pilates recommendation for cycling
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bigjim wrote:I know he's not the most popular guy at the moment but he does know a lot about cycling and off the bike training is a a biggy for him
http://www.menshealth.com/celebrity-fitness/lance-armstrong-workout
Yeah Lance Armstrongs knowledge shouldn't be dismissed in light of what has happened as he's by far one of the most tactical and knowledgeable people on the circuit. I have read his books and he's good at talking about relevant things and avoiding beating around the bush and same goes for his cycling tips as he points out the most relevant things to do in order for you to maximise your cycling ability.
It will be hard for some people to accept his training guides now because of his history but I wouldn't walk away from what he has to say regarding these things.0 -
I think from a credibility point of view, we can pretty much discount anything we read in 'mens fitness', anything relating to 'Lance Armstrong' and any cycle-related fitness article which talks about improving 'leg strength'. That article has all three..
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Who said you have to replace cycling with Pilates? Now you are putting words into other people's posts. I said Pilates augments cycling not replacing it.
But you will never know if you missed an opportunity to improve.0 -
Spender wrote:Who said you have to replace cycling with Pilates? Now you are putting words into other people's posts. I said Pilates augments cycling not replacing it.
But you will never know if you missed an opportunity to improve.
Trust me Spender Imposter comes on here makes people argue and hes just been reported for it to as I have asked for his past well disguised posts to be looked into. He causes trouble in a disguised manner but hopefully Mods will do something now I have put links in so they can see what hes been saying and how he does it.
But yes I get what you say mate, i personally don't think pilates is bad and following lance is a good idea0 -
Spender wrote:Who said you have to replace cycling with Pilates? Now you are putting words into other people's posts. I said Pilates augments cycling not replacing it.
er, that's not what I said, was it? Let me make it clearer - if I have spare hour, the question is, should I spend it at a pilates class, or on the turbo?0 -
Imposter wrote:Spender wrote:Who said you have to replace cycling with Pilates? Now you are putting words into other people's posts. I said Pilates augments cycling not replacing it.
er, that's not what I said, was it? Let me make it clearer - if I have spare hour, the question is, should I spend it at a pilates class, or on the turbo?
Go do your own research and you tell us because you did the same all yesterday asking questions and causing trouble only to say you knew more than the people you was questioning.
So genius go get your head in a boook or read an article and tell us. What we are saying is a stronger core does give you advantage regardless of what you have to say next and lastnight and in all these past posts ppl can see that it was broken down for you and then at the end you made out you knew more.
Well you said you was a 20 year in the saddle circuit and road racer so you should already have an idea on information this basic.0 -
gareth2134 wrote:Spender wrote:Who said you have to replace cycling with Pilates? Now you are putting words into other people's posts. I said Pilates augments cycling not replacing it.
But you will never know if you missed an opportunity to improve.
Trust me Spender Imposter comes on here makes people argue and hes just been reported for it to as I have asked for his past well disguised posts to be looked into. He causes trouble in a disguised manner but hopefully Mods will do something now I have put links in so they can see what hes been saying and how he does it.
But yes I get what you say mate, i personally don't think pilates is bad and following lance is a good idea
Just ignore the chap, if he wants to act like a insecure narcissistic adolescent, let him - to continue to debate with him will debase your argument.0 -
letap73 wrote:gareth2134 wrote:Spender wrote:Who said you have to replace cycling with Pilates? Now you are putting words into other people's posts. I said Pilates augments cycling not replacing it.
But you will never know if you missed an opportunity to improve.
Trust me Spender Imposter comes on here makes people argue and hes just been reported for it to as I have asked for his past well disguised posts to be looked into. He causes trouble in a disguised manner but hopefully Mods will do something now I have put links in so they can see what hes been saying and how he does it.
But yes I get what you say mate, i personally don't think pilates is bad and following lance is a good idea
Just ignore the chap, if he wants to act like a insecure narcissistic adolescent, let him - to continue to debate with him will debase your argument.
Yeah not returning anymore information for his questions in future am done now I got a warning off Bike Radar today for threatening him which I should have not done and not to mention clearly carries no weight on a forum lol but I responded with accurate information and provided what I needed to them for them to look into his past posts and I hope something is done. But as it stand not replying to any info regarding imposter.0 -
This is the first and last time I am going to get involved in a "ming mong - ping pong" discussion on this forum. I may be new here, but I've been on other forums for years... so I know what a troll is (was kind of hoping to avoid it here)
Imposter... you are either very stupid, or very obtuse ... for the sake of it.
The benefits of Pilates have been clearly explained on this thread... Do some... or don't do some... You know what? I really don't care either way.
If we apply your analogies on page 1 to, say, boxing... the argument would go..
If you are a boxer why do you need to do anything other than punch things/people
No running
No skipping
No weightlifting
No sit ups
No medicine ball training
etc etc etc
But we all know that boxers train using all these techniques, and probably more
Cycling is no different
Stop challenging / asking stupid questions / trolling... and get on with your life..... Get a hobby even... try cycling, you might like it 0 -
Beckers62 wrote:The benefits of Pilates have been clearly explained on this thread...
The benefits of pilates in general terms are quite clear - no argument there. The benefits of pilates in terms of improved cycling performance are probably not quite as clear cut, in my opinion.
Here's a quote I lifted from a thread in the training forum. I've removed the author's name as I don't think it's fair to bring him into it - but he knows what he's talking about..Even if your core strength is really low, the requirements in cycling are so low that there would have to be either something physically wrong with you (i.e., cycle racing is probably the least of your issues) or your bike set up isn't great. For e.g., we can sense that the forces we generate in our legs while riding are significantly higher than the forces we need to generate from our core -- yet, the forces in the leg are tiny -- for someone who is ~70 kg, the individual average leg force you need to *win* a mountain time trial in the Tour de France are about 13 kg. So, presuming that you weigh more than 13 kg and you can stand up, then up can already generate forces that are a significant greater magnitude than that required by your legs, which we know (by feel) are considerably larger than that required by our core (standing upright requires more forces).
and anotherthen the best core work for cycling will come from on the bike training. Sprints, hard efforts, threshold intervals, hill climbs, long tempo rides etc will give the core the stimulus it needs, as well as be specific to cycling performance.
Like I say, I'm sure pilates is great. But all you fellas telling me that it is good for cycling had better get some proper evidence quick.0 -
Imposter wrote:Spender wrote:Who said you have to replace cycling with Pilates? Now you are putting words into other people's posts. I said Pilates augments cycling not replacing it.
er, that's not what I said, was it? Let me make it clearer - if I have spare hour, the question is, should I spend it at a pilates class, or on the turbo?
Spend less time on here making stupid arguments for the sake of it and you will have time to do both...!0 -
apreading wrote:Spend less time on here making stupid arguments for the sake of it and you will have time to do both...!
So because I don't agree that pilates is good for cycling, it's a stupid argument? Surely that - in itself - is a stupid argument.0 -
Imposter wrote:apreading wrote:Spend less time on here making stupid arguments for the sake of it and you will have time to do both...!
So because I don't agree that pilates is good for cycling, it's a stupid argument? Surely that - in itself - is a stupid argument.
No, because you spend so much time on here arguing for the sake of it, not listening to the responses you get and then say that you dont have time to do pilates - YOU are stupid, or just enjoy deliberately baiting people...0 -
So because I don't agree that pilates is good for cycling, it's a stupid argument? Surely that - in itself - is a stupid argument.[/quote]
No, because you spend so much time on here arguing for the sake of it, not listening to the responses you get and then say that you dont have time to do pilates - YOU are stupid, or just enjoy deliberately baiting people...[/quote]
Yeah best thing to do dude is just take imposter with a pinch of salt, been reading all his posts and from what I have read I am not sure he even owns a bike and if he did im sure he rides alone. He's berated a lot of people on here and insulted people who are trying to achieve personal goas with their weight so I am not sure hes on here for advice as he has to have something to ride other than his banana boat.
But yeah wouldn't let him get to you I don't now I just blank him.0 -
apreading wrote:No, because you spend so much time on here arguing for the sake of it, not listening to the responses you get and then say that you dont have time to do pilates - YOU are stupid, or just enjoy deliberately baiting people...
You're right about one thing - I do enjoy baiting people who don't know what they are talking about. As for the rest, it's a pretty ironic reply, given that your only contributions to this discussion have been attacks on me. Do you even have an opinion on pilates & cycling - or are you just arguing for the sake of it?
Incidentally, I never said I didn't have time for pilates - not sure where you got that bit from. If someone can prove it is beneficial in the manner I suggested, I will make time. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant, eh.
The funniest thing is that a few desperate individuals are getting really cross, and yet none of you can come up with a single shred of evidence (proper evidence, mind) that pilates will improve cycling performance.
The insults are meaningless and irrelevant. Save your time with those and spend it on finding some evidence instead.0 -
Imposter wrote:You're right about one thing - I do enjoy baiting people... ...Save your time with those and spend it riding or talking to sensible people.
Will do - thats the last you will hear from me! (I will keep watching this thread though because I must admit you are entertaining me!)0 -
apreading wrote:Will do - thats the last you will hear from me!
So presumably that means you are clueless on the topic and were simply posting for a reaction? I knew it.0 -
apreading wrote:Imposter wrote:You're right about one thing - I do enjoy baiting people... ...Save your time with those and spend it riding or talking to sensible people.
Will do - thats the last you will hear from me! (I will keep watching this thread though because I must admit you are entertaining me!)
Haha same here I watch but dont reply to the little girl. I've reported him so I am hoping Bikeradar do something or I will just join another site im done with idiotic people like him with know knowledge getting away with causing problems. If enough people report him then they will remove him but hes just admitted he enjoys baiting people on here and I have highlighted to BR mods how he disguises his insults and comments so he can't be held accountable but some of them if you read far enough are clear insults to people so lets hope soon he cant post.
Just keep reporting her lol, she needs a friend.0 -
Imposter wrote:apreading wrote:No, because you spend so much time on here arguing for the sake of it, not listening to the responses you get and then say that you dont have time to do pilates - YOU are stupid, or just enjoy deliberately baiting people...
You're right about one thing - I do enjoy baiting people who don't know what they are talking about. As for the rest, it's a pretty ironic reply, given that your only contributions to this discussion have been attacks on me. Do you even have an opinion on pilates & cycling - or are you just arguing for the sake of it?
Incidentally, I never said I didn't have time for pilates - not sure where you got that bit from. If someone can prove it is beneficial in the manner I suggested, I will make time. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant, eh.
The funniest thing is that a few desperate individuals are getting really cross, and yet none of you can come up with a single shred of evidence (proper evidence, mind) that pilates will improve cycling performance.
The insults are meaningless and irrelevant. Save your time with those and spend it on finding some evidence instead.
Why has anyone got to prove anything to you? The thread was begun by someone asking for pilates excercises and you've spent all weekend hijacking it and demanding evidence when the truth is no-one gives a sh1t about what you want as funnily enough it doesn't actually matter. You are a (supposedly) functional adult with access to google and presumably a telephone so get busy with them if you have that great a thirst for knowledge.0 -
Ignoring the troll - I remember a long article on Levi leipheimer and his passion for Pilates in the off season.
Basically you need a decent core for sports and to help correct any weaknesses or muscle imbalance you have.
I'd not bother with a book or DVD - you need to be properly assessed by a decent teacher.
I've known cyclists having problems with their backs and pilates has got them back on and competing at high levels.0 -
cougie wrote:Basically you need a decent core for sports and to help correct any weaknesses or muscle imbalance you have.
We're going round in circles here. What about if you don't have any muscle imbalances? Obviously if you have some kind of core weakness, then that is a different issue.0 -
cougie wrote:Ignoring the troll - I remember a long article on Levi leipheimer and his passion for Pilates in the off season.
Basically you need a decent core for sports and to help correct any weaknesses or muscle imbalance you have.
I'd not bother with a book or DVD - you need to be properly assessed by a decent teacher.
I've known cyclists having problems with their backs and pilates has got them back on and competing at high levels.
cougie don't respond to him mate when he gets an answer which he has had several times he finds another way to ask the question like no one has answered it yet.
He has no knowledge and tried to make out hes a 20 year vet in circuit and road racing lol.0 -
Interesting thread.
From where I'm sitting Imposter asked a fairly reasonable question - 'how does pilates improve sustainable power in cycling' (Which is of course where all bike training begins and ends) and the responses he has had have varied from n=1 observations, 'the pros do it' and 'I'm going to break your jaw'. When he expresses dissatisfaction with these responses as a reason why he should start with pilates he's dismissed as a troll.
Not one of you has given a link to a peer reviewed, independent piece of scientific literature to support your assertions but call the person who asks for it a trolling idiot.
As I say...interesting.0 -
Davey C wrote:Interesting thread.
From where I'm sitting Imposter asked a fairly reasonable question - 'how does pilates improve sustainable power in cycling' (Which is of course where all bike training begins and ends) and the responses he has had have varied from n=1 observations, 'the pros do it' and 'I'm going to break your jaw'. When he expresses dissatisfaction with these responses as a reason why he should start with pilates he's dismissed as a troll.
Not one of you has given a link to a peer reviewed, independent piece of scientific literature to support your assertions but call the person who asks for it a trolling idiot.
As I say...interesting.
Hi Davey sorry to hear your not pleased with the responses in this thread and seem to find that Imposter is not in any position to be spoken to like the clown he is. It was me who made a threat to him which carries no weight on internet to be honest but all the same shouldn't have happened. If you had done your research then you would see on his previous posts he was making very rude remarks about me and to me and then causing problems for others so the responses he has recieved are not just for this thread and if you are saying you have read all these posts then you should see why, which brings me on to my next question and that most of your posts on threads are very similar to Imposters and I am debating whether to report you to Bikeradar just incase you have duplicated accounts as imposters has only been open since January and I can see from your past posts you seem to have the very same way of antagonising people on posts.
Again sorry you feel the way you do but do your research first on why he may get responses the way he has. Also it's him calling us wrong all we are saying is Pilates doesn't hurt your bike training and any form of stability and strength within your core will only benefit you on and off the bike regardless of what you do. so if he feels that their is no meat in that then he can prove it wrong.
Their has been links and very long posts on here stating why core stability can help and improve but all he does is dismiss it so if he is dismissing everything then maybe its time for Imposter or davey c to prove otherwise.
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gareth2134 wrote:Again sorry you feel the way you do but do your research first on why he may get responses the way he has. Also it's him calling us wrong all we are saying is Pilates doesn't hurt your bike training and any form of stability and strength within your core will only benefit you on and off the bike regardless of what you do. so if he feels that their is no meat in that then he can prove it wrong.
That's never been my argument fella - and I think you know it. My question has always been 'how would pilates improve cycling performance to someone whose core is already nominally functional?'
The argument that 'it doesn't do any harm' is not reason enough to do it. You could say the same thing about flower arranging. Would flower arranging improve my sustainable power? Probably not, is my guess.
That was my only question on here - and none of you can answer it with anything other than anecdote, hearsay, or dubious references to pro cyclists - and to be honest I'm not sure which of those is worse. Some science would be good - we've only had insults so far.0 -
I just plank for 30 mins every morning. Soon im gonna try and lift my belly off the floor and do it.Cube Attain SL Disc
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I plank until my wrist gets tired.
I do core stability exercises as part of my off cycling work outs. It's helped me prevent posture breakdown for a longer period when riding on the limit.0 -
gareth2134 wrote:Imposter wrote:gareth2134 wrote:I didn't say that and riding a bike does train the core but it's not a primary target it's not even secondary but it does get used during the time in the saddle so obviously does improve but like lactic acid build up the less strength the core has the quicker you lose posture when you tire so improving the core will keep posture good meaning everything else is ticking along nicely.
Sounds to me as though you are saying that cycling, in itself, is not sufficient training for the core. Otherwise, why else would you lose posture when you tire? If a 'stronger' core is desired, what about the fact that muscular strength and muscular endurance are not related?
Have to say though - when I'm tired, my posture is usually the last thing I'm bothered about.
Imposter all your posts are arguing with people like your a genius or something. When it comes to anatomy and physiology I have forgotten more than what you know, your more of a troll on here not to be taken seriously but instead to amuse us while we all speak about what we like instead of chatting crap to others. Go ask your mum to feed you your bottle now anyway you little goat lmao.
Thanks gareth. Always happy to be pulled up if I've got something wrong. I've had a double check and this seems to be the post where things got a bit heated. I couldn't find where Imposter insulted you first, rather it seems you started with the insults? Happy to be proved wrong though.0 -
I run as well as cycle quite a bit to keep fit mainly for playing Rugby.
I am no good at either running or cycling (or rugby for that matter) and am certainly not an expert in training of any nature although I've done my fair share over the years.
I remember reading a while ago about the importance of core stability to running. The article basically said that a stable core means that the upper body does not rock from side to side whilst running. If the upper body does move from side to side, energy is used to "pull it back" into line with each stride and this uses energy that would otherwise be used for running. Therefore running with an insufficiently stable core was either less efficient or slower, or probably both.
It seems reasonable to assume that this would translate to cycling.
I guess if you are looking for "proof" that it is beneficial, you need only to look at the training regimes of any elite athletes and sportsmen. I believe most, including those of cyclists, include core strength training. I doubt it would be used at the highest level if it were not beneficial.Wilier Izoard XP0 -
laurentian wrote:I remember reading a while ago about the importance of core stability to running. The article basically said that a stable core means that the upper body does not rock from side to side whilst running. If the upper body does move from side to side, energy is used to "pull it back" into line with each stride and this uses energy that would otherwise be used for running. Therefore running with an insufficiently stable core was either less efficient or slower, or probably both.
It seems reasonable to assume that this would translate to cycling.
We haven't got very far in five pages. Nobody is disputing that an unstable core would benefit from some additional core exercises. That is pretty obvious. But if your core is 'normal' or 'stable' (as most healthy people's cores already are - refer to the definition of a stable core given earlier), then why would additional core exercise be needed beyond the stimulus it already gets from your chosen sport?laurentian wrote:I guess if you are looking for "proof" that it is beneficial, you need only to look at the training regimes of any elite athletes and sportsmen. I believe most, including those of cyclists, include core strength training. I doubt it would be used at the highest level if it were not beneficial.
Anecdote is not the same as proof. Anecdotally, I know plenty of 'elite' cyclists who do no core work at all.0
