Pilates recommendation for cycling

gareth2134

you have had nearly 300 posts since January and they are nearly all arguments with people haha, seriously man go get a life or a job or girlfriend.

imposter2.0

gareth2134 wrote:

Imposter all your posts are arguing with people like your a genius or something. When it comes to anatomy and physiology I have forgotten more than what you know, your more of a troll on here not to be taken seriously but instead to amuse us while we all speak about what we like instead of chatting crap to others. Go ask your mum to feed you your bottle now anyway you little goat lmao.

Resorting to insults pretty early? I don't remember insulting you. If you don't want to participate, don't post. I'm not a genius, I'm actually fairly ordinary in the brainy department. No problem if you can't answer though - I'm probably better off talking to people who are more familiar with the topic.

gareth2134

Imposter wrote:

gareth2134 wrote:

Imposter all your posts are arguing with people like your a genius or something. When it comes to anatomy and physiology I have forgotten more than what you know, your more of a troll on here not to be taken seriously but instead to amuse us while we all speak about what we like instead of chatting crap to others. Go ask your mum to feed you your bottle now anyway you little goat lmao.

Resorting to insults pretty early? I don't remember insulting you. If you don't want to participate, don't post. I'm not a genius, I'm actually fairly ordinary in the brainy department. No problem if you can't answer though - I'm probably better off talking to people who are more familiar with the topic.

You have insulted me you did it on other posts but you forgot because you insult that many people. I answered you to help you but you clearly do not want help but to annoy people so in future I will help with an answer if I have it and if you come back for more I know your just doing what you normally do on here and thats be a horrible person. If you wan't to know something that your not happy with on here then google it and prove someone wrong instead of calling everyone a liar. Have a nice day

imposter2.0

Yeah thanks.

So anyway, back to the thread. Pilates - should I be doing it?

apreading

Imposter wrote:

I'm probably better off talking to people who are more familiar with the topic.

No you are better off LISTENING to people who are more familiar with the topic, not talking to them...

gareth2134

Imposter wrote:

Yeah thanks.

So anyway, back to the thread. Pilates - should I be doing it?

Yes Pilates good for cycling and yes core will be built up and in time will benefit you on the bike. Enjoy your rides

imposter2.0

apreading wrote:

Imposter wrote:

I'm probably better off talking to people who are more familiar with the topic.

No you are better off LISTENING to people who are more familiar with the topic, not talking to them...

Yep - done that. Happy to listen when someone comes along with the appropriate knowledge. So far I've learned that core work is good for cycling, but that riding a bike is not enough to strengthen your core. So I'm still struggling with the appropriateness and/or benefit of core work in the context of cycling performance.

gareth2134

Imposter wrote:

apreading wrote:

Imposter wrote:

I'm probably better off talking to people who are more familiar with the topic.

No you are better off LISTENING to people who are more familiar with the topic, not talking to them...

Yep - done that. Happy to listen when someone comes along with the appropriate knowledge. So far I've learned that core work is good for cycling, but that riding a bike is not enough to strengthen your core. So I'm still struggling with the appropriateness and/or benefit of core work in the context of cycling performance.

Hyper extended situps, crunches, swimming, squats with low weight but do it in volume sessions and twist sit ups which help with serratus anterior.

If you want to know more ask your local personal trainer as size and shape is important for the training you do.

gareth2134

all back training for the lumber region should be done under your gym trainer any advice given on the back is quite personal as again if you have a long frame then hyper back extensions not recommended as to much pressure on the lower back can cause harm. Sided bends under observation is useful to but again with this posture is important in order to get best from it

imposter2.0

gareth2134 wrote:

all back training for the lumber region should be done under your gym trainer any advice given on the back is quite personal as again if you have a long frame then hyper back extensions not recommended as to much pressure on the lower back can cause harm. Sided bends under observation is useful to but again with this posture is important in order to get best from it

All of those exercises seem perfectly legitimate, but I'm not actually asking 'how' to strengthen my core - I'm asking 'why'. The forces generated in road cycling are generally pretty low, so your core does not need to be strengthened beyond it's existing capability, surely?

gareth2134

Imposter wrote:

gareth2134 wrote:

all back training for the lumber region should be done under your gym trainer any advice given on the back is quite personal as again if you have a long frame then hyper back extensions not recommended as to much pressure on the lower back can cause harm. Sided bends under observation is useful to but again with this posture is important in order to get best from it

All of those exercises seem perfectly legitimate, but I'm not actually asking 'how' to strengthen my core - I'm asking 'why'. The forces generated in road cycling are generally pretty low, so your core does not need to be strengthened beyond it's existing capability, surely?

Just depends on the type of cycling you do. If your a casual rider then I'm sure you can manage without noticing any fatigue and that would probably stem to moderate riders to but if your an endurance rider tour de france or someone who does a lot of 24hr events then core is important as the stronger your core is the less tiresome it gets meaning you can give optimal performance. When you go up hills or spring you come out the saddle and for this you use more of your core than you do in the saddle as your body is maintaining a strong upright position when your legs apply maximum pressure to the pedals then from one side to the other your body moves on a slight angle only to repeat it over and over. With good posture and core strength your body is well balanced and also in the upright position more while still being able to give maximum output. So for these reasons I would say yes core is important but like I said it does depend on what you do and how regular your doing it.

gareth2134

I am doing a few endurance events this year and core is one of my main focus points so I can remain sharp all round not just on my fitness levels etc.

imposter2.0

gareth2134 wrote:

Just depends on the type of cycling you do. If your a casual rider then I'm sure you can manage without noticing any fatigue and that would probably stem to moderate riders to but if your an endurance rider tour de france or someone who does a lot of 24hr events then core is important as the stronger your core is the less tiresome it gets meaning you can give optimal performance. When you go up hills or spring you come out the saddle and for this you use more of your core than you do in the saddle as your body is maintaining a strong upright position when your legs apply maximum pressure to the pedals then from one side to the other your body moves on a slight angle only to repeat it over and over. With good posture and core strength your body is well balanced and also in the upright position more while still being able to give maximum output. So for these reasons I would say yes core is important but like I said it does depend on what you do and how regular your doing it.

Ok - so as a road and circuit racer (all classified as 'endurance' events incidentally) for the last 20 years, have I missed a trick in not training my core beyond regular riding, racing and training? I'll be gutted if that's the case...

gareth2134

Imposter wrote:

gareth2134 wrote:

Just depends on the type of cycling you do. If your a casual rider then I'm sure you can manage without noticing any fatigue and that would probably stem to moderate riders to but if your an endurance rider tour de france or someone who does a lot of 24hr events then core is important as the stronger your core is the less tiresome it gets meaning you can give optimal performance. When you go up hills or spring you come out the saddle and for this you use more of your core than you do in the saddle as your body is maintaining a strong upright position when your legs apply maximum pressure to the pedals then from one side to the other your body moves on a slight angle only to repeat it over and over. With good posture and core strength your body is well balanced and also in the upright position more while still being able to give maximum output. So for these reasons I would say yes core is important but like I said it does depend on what you do and how regular your doing it.

Ok - so as a road and circuit racer (all classified as 'endurance' events incidentally) for the last 20 years, have I missed a trick in not training my core beyond regular riding, racing and training? I'll be gutted if that's the case...

Not really no as you will have a matured frame anyway from that amount of time so I wouldn't be to concerned. If you have done it for that long then your body will have developed a good strong foundation, which is actually a good point because a newbie would still want to do it and it does go without saying training the core will add % to performance but how much I don't know I just know it won't decline you anyway.

For you I wouldn't worry at this stage you will be in the shape your body wants to be in due to your time in the saddle if its been regular over the 20 years that is.

imposter2.0

gareth2134 wrote:

Not really no as you will have a matured frame anyway from that amount of time so I wouldn't be to concerned. If you have done it for that long then your body will have developed a good strong foundation, which is actually a good point because a newbie would still want to do it and it does go without saying training the core will add % to performance but how much I don't know I just know it won't decline you anyway.

For you I wouldn't worry at this stage you will be in the shape your body wants to be in due to your time in the saddle if its been regular over the 20 years that is.

So it sounds like core training is no more useful than riding your bike then. Still not sure about adding a '%' to performance, but thanks for working that through with me.

gareth2134

Ok - so as a road and circuit racer (all classified as 'endurance' events incidentally) for the last 20 years, have I missed a trick in not training my core beyond regular riding, racing and training? I'll be gutted if that's the case...[/quote]


Yes but you understand my meaning when I say endurance if you are an experienced cyclist that you claim to be. Walking the shop is endurance going the toilet is as well but we don't class it as such because it does not have an affect on us. So like I said tour or 24hr events which require max from us then this is more of an endurance scenario that I am referring to.

Surprised you have these questions from the time you have spent in the saddle being a circuit racer, have you never studied training in your whole time for something as basic as this.

imposter2.0

gareth2134 wrote:

Surprised you have these questions from the time you have spent in the saddle being a circuit racer, have you never studied training in your whole time for something as basic as this.

Yes of course I have - that is precisely why I have been asking these questions - and why there haven't been any decent answers - because on the whole, unless you have some sort of functional or diagnosed deficiency, I think core work is a load of old pony. I may not be a genius, but do you honestly think that if there was something in it, I would not be doing it already..?

gareth2134

Imposter wrote:

gareth2134 wrote:

Surprised you have these questions from the time you have spent in the saddle being a circuit racer, have you never studied training in your whole time for something as basic as this.

Yes of course I have - that is precisely why I have been asking these questions - because on the whole, unless you have some sort of functional or diagnosed deficiency, I think core work is a load of old pony. I may not be a genius, but do you honestly think that if there was something in it, I would not be doing it already..?

I'm not sure you was actually looking for information to be honest but I only presented it for anyone else reading the posts and may have an interest.

I have been reading posts that you put about a user on here called Soni where you basically insulted the guys weight while hes been actively training and dieting to lose it. I wont get specific but I don't like you and you have a lot of things to say on here to people but something tells me your the quiet one when your around people in person but perk up once you get behind your computer screen again. Either that or you don't even ride a bike and just do this for fun as you dont know anyone.

However I would like to meet you one day I don't think you would be as lippy in person lol. But go on i leave you to it Genius

imposter2.0

gareth2134 wrote:

However I would like to meet you one day I don't think you would be as lippy in person lol. But go on i leave you to it Genius

That would be great. Perhaps you could break my jaw, like you threatened someone else with earlier?

gareth2134

Imposter wrote:

gareth2134 wrote:

However I would like to meet you one day I don't think you would be as lippy in person lol. But go on i leave you to it Genius

That would be great. Perhaps you could break my jaw, like you threatened someone else with earlier?

Yeah you and your friend for doing to me what your doing now haha dont try playing games girl and go play with your mummy. And I'm surprised you havnt had your jaw snapped already fro the way you speak to people on here. I have asked Soni to report you for calling him fat when the guy is trying to lose weight and being honest on here only for clowns like you to make fun of him. lol spk soon though

philwint

Imposter wrote:

gareth2134 wrote:

I think core work is a load of old pony. I may not be a genius, but do you honestly think that if there was something in it, I would not be doing it already..?

Obviously I have no expert opinion on this but a quick google did turn up some interesting links on core training.

(I searched for: "core strength training for cyclists")

for example

This one seems to be sourced from a guy trying to sell his DVD so might need a pinch of salt!
http://www.bicycling.com/training-nutrition/training-fitness/core

But this one seems to be free of a sales message
http://www.coach-hughes.com/resources/corestrength1.html

imposter2.0

Quoted from one of the links above:

You can have all the leg strength in the world, but without a stable core you won't be able to use it efficiently,

I don't disagree with that. My only question would be what is the definition of an 'unstable' core. If people can stand, walk, run, etc without issue, then surely most people have a stable core already, I would have thought?

The info in the other link is similar, tbh.

Beastwooduk

Hi thx for them links will give them a go..I just figured they may help as I'm getting the odd twinge in my low back and I've been advised to up my ore to help ..worth a shot methinks thx all

Crankbrother

I use a few of the exercises from this ... once you've watched it twice you'll remember what you need from it ...

The exercises seem to help more with negating pain/stiffness after hard exercise but do work ... I do 15 mins of stuff from this after every gym session and it works a treat ...

Beastwooduk

Thx for that ill def give them a go as I'm getting some pains and stiffness after both tennis and cycling. So may be worth a go

Raffles

Matchstick Man wrote:

You could go to a local class. You'll be surrounded by burds and the occasional gay bloke

My worry would be that some day that gay geezer wouldnt turn up and id be the sole guy whom everybody assumed was a poofter :shock: :shock: :shock:

Spender

Just imagine how good the imposter could have been over the last 20 years if he had tried Pilates. Perhaps he could have been a contender Mind you maybe he is :shock:

CptKernow

Imposter wrote:

Right - so you you're saying that riding a bike is not, in itself, sufficient training for a cyclist's core muscles?

I haven't tried pilates (yet) but that's what I read.

If you think the only way to improve your cycling is by more cycling, carry on...

imposter2.0

Spender wrote:

Just imagine how good the imposter could have been over the last 20 years if he had tried Pilates. Perhaps he could have been a contender Mind you maybe he is :shock:

Alternatively, imagine if I'd wasted my time going to pilates classes when I would have been better off riding my bike. Either point of view is perfectly valid, as far as I can tell.

CptKernow wrote:

If you think the only way to improve your cycling is by more cycling, carry on...

Well, I only think that because I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary - even after three pages. So I don't think my point of view is unreasonable.

bigjim

I know he's not the most popular guy at the moment but he does know a lot about cycling and off the bike training is a a biggy for him
http://www.menshealth.com/celebrity-fitness/lance-armstrong-workout