Common issues related to poor KNEE TRACKING ?

Coach H

I have the exact opposite, left knee flares out at top of stroke.

In my case Adrian Timmis fitted a wedge to correct and right knee pain dissapeared. Its all about balance apparently.

LegendLust

Froomes Edgar wrote:

Raffles wrote:

Imposter wrote:

unless it is actually causing you problems, I wouldn't worry about it.

I was at a chiropractor last week who said that the right hand side of my pelvis was slightly misaligned whilst the left side was spot on, I wonder could that slight misslignment be in some way contributory for the sticking outwards of my right knee. Got another chiro session booked to work on bringing the pelvis back into line.

Chiropractor? FFS, you might as well get your astrologist to give you an opinion

My right knee sticks out violently - fancy placing your face in its vicinity?

nicklouse

Cleat Eastwood wrote:

Raffles wrote:

Froomes Edgar wrote:

Do you have a bank of preposterous questions that you post on here, or do you make them up on the hoof?

why dont you contribute or do me a favour and sod off

Anybody else got any knee tracking info they could share ?

Raffles - best to ignore him, he used to log on as P_Tucker - he was the forums resident arsehole, seems a name change hasnt changed anything at all.

thanks.

Cleat Eastwood

jouxplan wrote:

I ended up with a radically lower saddle position (25mm lower than my previous 30 years),

Thats quite a drop, was that what you were advised or did you hit on that through experimenting?

jouxplan

Cleat Eastwood wrote:

jouxplan wrote:

I ended up with a radically lower saddle position (25mm lower than my previous 30 years),

Thats quite a drop, was that what you were advised or did you hit on that through experimenting?

Oops! Just realised that I was not as clear as I should have been. Well, more precisely, I was incorrect to say it like that. My first fitter moved my saddle UP 20mm higher than I had been for 25 years. This ultimately exacerbated my problems. Over the ensuing 6 years, other fitters gradually lowered me, but I was still higher than I was before I ever met a fitter (6mm). Then I read the Steve Hogg website, and began experimenting. I ended up lowering my saddle BELOW where I had been before I ever met a fitter, by some 15mm. This position was later confirmed as being about right by The Bike Whisperer.

That was all about as clear as mud. In short, I'm now about 15mm lower than I was originally. Experimenting has been about precise numbers of wedges and shims and adjusting the saddle by 1mm one way or another.

Apologies :roll:

Raffles

LegendLust wrote:

Froomes Edgar wrote:

Raffles wrote:

Imposter wrote:

unless it is actually causing you problems, I wouldn't worry about it.

I was at a chiropractor last week who said that the right hand side of my pelvis was slightly misaligned whilst the left side was spot on, I wonder could that slight misslignment be in some way contributory for the sticking outwards of my right knee. Got another chiro session booked to work on bringing the pelvis back into line.

Chiropractor? FFS, you might as well get your astrologist to give you an opinion

My right knee sticks out violently - fancy placing your face in its vicinity?

Legend, after youve executed a particulary hard knee to that idiots face, would you mind if I placed his nuts in line my right knee when it flares out on a good hard push of the pedal ?

imposter2.0

seeing as I'm quoted in the above exchange (albeit in a fairly benign manner) - did I ever get an answer to the question of whether it actually causes you problems or not ?

Raffles

Imposter wrote:

seeing as I'm quoted in the above exchange (albeit in a fairly benign manner) - did I ever get an answer to the question of whether it actually causes you problems or not ?

my next step is an appointment with the chiropractor in a few weeks to work on my pelvis alignment, wont know until after that.

imposter2.0

Raffles wrote:

Imposter wrote:

seeing as I'm quoted in the above exchange (albeit in a fairly benign manner) - did I ever get an answer to the question of whether it actually causes you problems or not ?

my next step is an appointment with the chiropractor in a few weeks to work on my pelvis alignment, wont know until after that.

ok - maybe I'm not being clear. Is your knee tracking problem actually causing you any problems on the bike - while you are riding ?? You must know this - either it is, or it isn't.

Raffles

Im currently experiencing a lot of tightness in my right quad muscle group and im not sure if its related to the less than ideal tracking of my right leg, im doing nightly stretching exercises to try and help.

ShutUpLegs

What kind of stretches are you doing and who suggested them?

Coach H

Froomes Edgar wrote:

Raffles wrote:

Imposter wrote:

unless it is actually causing you problems, I wouldn't worry about it.

I was at a chiropractor last week who said that the right hand side of my pelvis was slightly misaligned whilst the left side was spot on, I wonder could that slight misslignment be in some way contributory for the sticking outwards of my right knee. Got another chiro session booked to work on bringing the pelvis back into line.

Chiropractor? FFS, you might as well get your astrologist to give you an opinion

Pretty much every Physiotherapist will agree with you, despite the later comments

My mate (a chartered Physio) has a letter on his practice wall from a lady who spent £30ave a month for 10 years with two Chiropractors. She wrote the letter to thank my mate for 'curing' her after two consultations and was pain free after 4 weeks. Its only one example and I am sure there are good chiroprators out there but bear in mind it is a completely unregulated profession, with no peer reviewed best practice and no medically validated research into its practices. My mate calls them 'snake oill selling quacks'.........................when he is feeling generous

ShutUpLegs

So why would people use a Chiropractor?

jouxplan

"Chiropractor? FFS, you might as well get your astrologist to give you an opinion"

"Pretty much every Physiotherapist will agree with you, despite the later comments"

Even by the standards that this forum can stoop to, I am pretty shocked by these statements. The first I kind of took as being puposely antagonistic, but the second is just outrageous.

I've been treated by physio's and an osteopath. They do very different things. My experience of physio's has not been that good, but I put that down to the physical problems I have not being particularly treatable by physio's. I certainly did not just assume that the physio was useless, and even less did I consider that the profession as a whole was useless. My osteopath worked wonders on me, and did things the physio's would never have done (untwisted and lifted one side of my pelvis). Again, I didn't deduce from this that physio's are useless. I deduced that my problem required an osteopath.

I'll be very surprised if all physio's tend to slag off all osteopaths. And I doubt osteopaths slag off physio's. There might be an argument about the difference between a chiropractor and an osteopath, however.

In the case of the person who spent a fortune on an osteo and then got sorted by a physio in no time at all - surely that simply demonstrates that the problem was for a physio to solve, not an osteo - and so it seems also to show that that particular osteopath may have been milking things a little. But that doesn't mean the whole profession is to be considered as nothing more than a bunch of milking, useless astrologers!
:roll:

Raffles

Appointments that I had with a phsio about 6 months ago were of absolutely no use whatsoever and that physio never identified the pelvic misalignment and facet issues with the left hand side of my neck that the chiropractor spotted immediately.

If I had to take sides based on my experiences, Id stick with the chiro.

jouxplan wrote:

"Chiropractor? FFS, you might as well get your astrologist to give you an opinion"

"Pretty much every Physiotherapist will agree with you, despite the later comments"

Even by the standards that this forum can stoop to, I am pretty shocked by these statements. The first I kind of took as being puposely antagonistic, but the second is just outrageous.

I've been treated by physio's and an osteopath. They do very different things. My experience of physio's has not been that good, but I put that down to the physical problems I have not being particularly treatable by physio's. I certainly did not just assume that the physio was useless, and even less did I consider that the profession as a whole was useless. My osteopath worked wonders on me, and did things the physio's would never have done (untwisted and lifted one side of my pelvis). Again, I didn't deduce from this that physio's are useless. I deduced that my problem required an osteopath.

I'll be very surprised if all physio's tend to slag off all osteopaths. And I doubt osteopaths slag off physio's. There might be an argument about the difference between a chiropractor and an osteopath, however.

In the case of the person who spent a fortune on an osteo and then got sorted by a physio in no time at all - surely that simply demonstrates that the problem was for a physio to solve, not an osteo - and so it seems also to show that that particular osteopath may have been milking things a little. But that doesn't mean the whole profession is to be considered as nothing more than a bunch of milking, useless astrologers!
:roll:

Anonymous

My physio was excellent. A chiropractor would have been totally useless under the circumstances.

Although it does seem to me that the physio is milking it somewhat....for 6 months. That is a p!ss take

Coach H

From your comments you seem not to have read what I wrote or I have not explained it very well. Let me try again;

IME physios do not rate chiro's because unlike them (I have been informed) they are not regulated by the British Medical Council, or anyone else, they do not have a professional institution to set and monitor professional standards, the clinical benefits of chiro have not been subjected to peer reviewed clinical research and as such you would not be able to be refered by your GP (or other medical professional). As far as healthcare is concerned chiropractors have the same status as faith healers, aromatherapists, homeopathists etc. Any and all of these 'alternative' healthcare solutions have their advocates and provide benefits but could not claim to be medical science. (For an example/analogy, I am convinced that wearing a Trion:Z bracelet and sleeping in Skins recovery tights aids my sports recovery however I would not try to convince my Doctor that this should be published as a medical paper and I already know there is no clinical evidence to support either of these products)

Hopefully a physio (or Doctor) will be along soon to state more elequently.

This is MY OPINION, if you still wish to visit a chiropractor, I fully respect YOUR decision to so.

Matchstick Man

jouxplan wrote:

"Chiropractor? FFS, you might as well get your astrologist to give you an opinion"

"Pretty much every Physiotherapist will agree with you, despite the later comments"

Even by the standards that this forum can stoop to, I am pretty shocked by these statements. The first I kind of took as being puposely antagonistic, but the second is just outrageous.

I've been treated by physio's and an osteopath. They do very different things. My experience of physio's has not been that good, but I put that down to the physical problems I have not being particularly treatable by physio's. I certainly did not just assume that the physio was useless, and even less did I consider that the profession as a whole was useless. My osteopath worked wonders on me, and did things the physio's would never have done (untwisted and lifted one side of my pelvis). Again, I didn't deduce from this that physio's are useless. I deduced that my problem required an osteopath.

I'll be very surprised if all physio's tend to slag off all osteopaths. And I doubt osteopaths slag off physio's. There might be an argument about the difference between a chiropractor and an osteopath, however.

In the case of the person who spent a fortune on an osteo and then got sorted by a physio in no time at all - surely that simply demonstrates that the problem was for a physio to solve, not an osteo - and so it seems also to show that that particular osteopath may have been milking things a little. But that doesn't mean the whole profession is to be considered as nothing more than a bunch of milking, useless astrologers!
:roll:

I think you're confused. An osteopath is a medical professional. A chiropractor is not. As far as I can see, no-one on this thread has said anything negative about osteopaths.

ShutUpLegs

Not sure I'd let someone who wasn't professionally/ medically qualified near any body issues I was having.

Coach H

Appologies to the OP for the thread highjack, but where are the Chiropractor fans now?
There was a bit of rightous indignation initially but then the support seems to have disappeared.

I am not baiting anyone here, I am genuinely interested in a structured counter argument (OK so part of why I want to know is so I can use it with my Physion friend in order to bait HIM )

ShutUpLegs

I'm sure noone has taken offence, and it could save some people time and money.

Coach H

ShutUpLegs wrote:

I'm sure noone has taken offence, and it could save some people time and money.

....only if at their next Chiropractor appointment they ask such questions as; "Are you classed as a medical professional? Can you show me some validated clinical research to support this treatment? How is your competence and standards regulated and by who?".

ShutUpLegs

More concerning was a recent study that showed that they didn't even apply what little research had been done.

team47b

I can't believe you have un-regulated/un-qualified non medical professional Chiropractors in the UK, why don't they need a license to practice?

Matchstick Man

team47b wrote:

I can't believe you have un-regulated/un-qualified non medical professional Chiropractors in the UK, why don't they need a license to practice?

Because its not a medical science. I can offer my services a someone who "rubs yer back and spouts a load of long words", which doesn't require a licence because I've just made it up and wouldn't get many takers - but "chiropractor" sounds vaguely like that person might have some medical training.

ShutUpLegs

Well I'm happy to keep an open mind on most things, but the evidence seems overwhelming.

Coach H

Right, come on Raffles, Jouxplan and perhaps LegendLust its your go again.

I need you to substansiate your earlier support of Chiropractors as I am at the pub with my Physio friend tonight and I need a reasoned argument in support of Chiropractors (to wind him up )

ShutUpLegs

Hopefully since starting the thread all issues have been resolved...

jouxplan

Coach H wrote:

Right, come on Raffles, Jouxplan and perhaps LegendLust its your go again.

I need you to substansiate your earlier support of Chiropractors as I am at the pub with my Physio friend tonight and I need a reasoned argument in support of Chiropractors (to wind him up )

But I'm not sure I'm in a position to help, as it was (rightly) pointed out to me that I do not know the difference between a chiropractor and an osteopath!

ShutUpLegs

jouxplan wrote:

Coach H wrote:

Right, come on Raffles, Jouxplan and perhaps LegendLust its your go again.

I need you to substansiate your earlier support of Chiropractors as I am at the pub with my Physio friend tonight and I need a reasoned argument in support of Chiropractors (to wind him up )

But I'm not sure I'm in a position to help, as it was (rightly) pointed out to me that I do not know the difference between a chiropractor and an osteopath!