What is logically wrong with eating horse meat?
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Pross wrote:Tom Butcher wrote:team47b wrote:Killing an animal for the sole purpose of eating it to satisfy your taste, causing pain, injury and death solely to bring an unnecessary diversity to your diet is not moral.
Agreed, that's why I let other people do it.
You should change your surname then, you're misrepresenting yourself
team47b Why is it not moral to eat something that we have been designed to eat?
Are we designed to do this, good question, you decide...
Facial Muscles
CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
HERBIVORE: Well-developed
OMNIVORE: Reduced
HUMAN: Well-developed
Jaw Type
CARNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HERBIVORE: Expanded angle
OMNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HUMAN: Expanded angle
Jaw Joint Location
CARNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HERBIVORE: Above the plane of the molars
OMNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HUMAN: Above the plane of the molars
Jaw Motion
CARNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
HERBIVORE: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
OMNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side
HUMAN: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
Major Jaw Muscles
CARNIVORE: Temporalis
HERBIVORE: Masseter and pterygoids
OMNIVORE: Temporalis
HUMAN: Masseter and pterygoids
Mouth Opening vs. Head Size
CARNIVORE: Large
HERBIVORE: Small
OMNIVORE: Large
HUMAN: Small
Teeth: Incisors
CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
Teeth: Canines
CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HUMAN: Short and blunted
Teeth: Molars
CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps
Chewing
CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary
Saliva
CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
Stomach Type
CARNIVORE: Simple
HERBIVORE: Simple or multiple chambers
OMNIVORE: Simple
HUMAN: Simple
Stomach Acidity
CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
Stomach Capacity
CARNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HERBIVORE: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
OMNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HUMAN: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract
Length of Small Intestine
CARNIVORE: 3 to 6 times body length
HERBIVORE: 10 to more than 12 times body length
OMNIVORE: 4 to 6 times body length
HUMAN: 10 to 11 times body length
Colon
CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HUMAN: Long, sacculated
Liver
CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
Kidney
CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine
Nails
CARNIVORE: Sharp claws
HERBIVORE: Flattened nails or blunt hooves
OMNIVORE: Sharp claws
HUMAN: Flattened nailsmy isetta is a 300cc bike0 -
We still display some characteristics of a carnivore however. Our eyes are situated at the front, whereas the eyes of a herbivore are situated at the side of their skull thus allowing them to have continuous 360 degrees of a visual field. This allows them to keep on guard against any approaching predators.
Also we have canines. This is a devolved trait which traces all the way back to the Jurassic period. Herbivores do not have canines.0 -
Re: What is logically wrong with eating horse meat?
nothing and just about the rest of Europe eats it."Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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Gabbo wrote:We still display some characteristics of a carnivore however. Our eyes are situated at the front, whereas the eyes of a herbivore are situated at the side of their skull thus allowing them to have continuous 360 degrees of a visual field. This allows them to keep on guard against any approaching predators.
Also we have canines. This is a devolved trait which traces all the way back to the Jurassic period. Herbivores do not have canines.
We also have an appendix which is almost entirely redundant (as far as we can work out), the primary function of which is to aid digestion of cellulose (plant matter).0 -
VTech wrote:People who know little about finance and how it works listen to the TV in the morning before work and stop spending, this is a proven fact which in turn slows down the sales of goods which in turn closes down business and less tax is generated etc etc etc.
Its a reasonable thing to assume (as some do) that credit crunch and recession is man made and ON PURPOSE in order to keep people in order.
Not many people understand (not saying you don't) some of the priorities of government, its far more complex but ever so easy in reality.
While confidence played a role in the credit crunch, it was the confidence of highly paid bankers - not "people who know little about finance" - that led to the interbank lending market drying up in 2008.
BTW looking forward to hearing more about how this conspiracy is "far more complex but ever so easy in reality" - but don't you worry that government might bump you off if they discover you've twigged their dastardly secret?0 -
ooermissus wrote:VTech wrote:People who know little about finance and how it works listen to the TV in the morning before work and stop spending, this is a proven fact which in turn slows down the sales of goods which in turn closes down business and less tax is generated etc etc etc.
Its a reasonable thing to assume (as some do) that credit crunch and recession is man made and ON PURPOSE in order to keep people in order.
Not many people understand (not saying you don't) some of the priorities of government, its far more complex but ever so easy in reality.
While confidence played a role in the credit crunch, it was the confidence of highly paid bankers - not "people who know little about finance" - that led to the interbank lending market drying up in 2008.
BTW looking forward to hearing more about how this conspiracy is "far more complex but ever so easy in reality" - but don't you worry that government might bump you off if they discover you've twigged their dastardly secret?
What is the main priority of a government ?Living MY dream.0 -
This is simply a matter of consent. It is not acceptable to find hidden ingredients in products purchased in good faith.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
Cornerblock wrote:Pross wrote:You should change your surname then, you're misrepresenting yourself
Yeah that horse has bolted Pross! I can see now why you're usually off the back.
Missed the second page as usual :oops:
EDIT no, missed half the first page too somehow. I'm giving up on the internet!0 -
team47b wrote:Pross wrote:Tom Butcher wrote:team47b wrote:Killing an animal for the sole purpose of eating it to satisfy your taste, causing pain, injury and death solely to bring an unnecessary diversity to your diet is not moral.
Agreed, that's why I let other people do it.
You should change your surname then, you're misrepresenting yourself
team47b Why is it not moral to eat something that we have been designed to eat?
Are we designed to do this, good question, you decide...
Facial Muscles
CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
HERBIVORE: Well-developed
OMNIVORE: Reduced
HUMAN: Well-developed
Jaw Type
CARNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HERBIVORE: Expanded angle
OMNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HUMAN: Expanded angle
Jaw Joint Location
CARNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HERBIVORE: Above the plane of the molars
OMNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HUMAN: Above the plane of the molars
Jaw Motion
CARNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
HERBIVORE: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
OMNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side
HUMAN: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
Major Jaw Muscles
CARNIVORE: Temporalis
HERBIVORE: Masseter and pterygoids
OMNIVORE: Temporalis
HUMAN: Masseter and pterygoids
Mouth Opening vs. Head Size
CARNIVORE: Large
HERBIVORE: Small
OMNIVORE: Large
HUMAN: Small
Teeth: Incisors
CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
Teeth: Canines
CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HUMAN: Short and blunted
Teeth: Molars
CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps
Chewing
CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary
Saliva
CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
Stomach Type
CARNIVORE: Simple
HERBIVORE: Simple or multiple chambers
OMNIVORE: Simple
HUMAN: Simple
Stomach Acidity
CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
Stomach Capacity
CARNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HERBIVORE: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
OMNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HUMAN: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract
Length of Small Intestine
CARNIVORE: 3 to 6 times body length
HERBIVORE: 10 to more than 12 times body length
OMNIVORE: 4 to 6 times body length
HUMAN: 10 to 11 times body length
Colon
CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HUMAN: Long, sacculated
Liver
CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
Kidney
CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine
Nails
CARNIVORE: Sharp claws
HERBIVORE: Flattened nails or blunt hooves
OMNIVORE: Sharp claws
HUMAN: Flattened nails
Panda bears are meant to eat meat but all they want it bamboo so what does that say?0 -
SmoggySteve wrote:Panda bears are meant to eat meat but all they want it bamboo so what does that say?
Pandas are a bunch of nobs that need to man up?"The Prince of Wales is now the King of France" - Calton Kirby0 -
ben@31 wrote:SmoggySteve wrote:Panda bears are meant to eat meat but all they want it bamboo so what does that say?
Pandas are a bunch of nobs that need to man up?
Yeah not really a trait you'd associate with Pandas, not even sure they have nobs.0 -
It has nothing to do with what we are designed to eat or not.
Its to do with the fact that animals are bred for human consumption and a lot is put into place to make sure the life of the animal is controlled, wether by pesticides, antibiotics, inoculations and food etc.
When you have products being sold that do not contain what you are told, how can you guarantee the product in any context. Imagine buying a Chinese takeaway and the DNA result shows cat or dog, it doesnt mean you will become ill but it isnt what you paid for.
When you have controlled environments, the chances of such mishaps become less.Living MY dream.0 -
The number one job of a government is to keep people in order.
Do you really think that in such a modern time with such capabilities around us there would be so many cases of wastage ?
Its done on purpose, people get wealthier, no longer want to do menial jobs, bring people in to do said jobs, people moan like crazy, government increase taxes to restore balance.
Its not rocket science and I dont mean that in any other way than with the best intentions but its the case the world over. Just look at the trouble China is in now, they have had 10 years of boom and now people wont work for the low wages and so costs are changing and India is now the growth capital.
Brazil is also in hot pursuit.Living MY dream.0 -
VTech wrote:Its not rocket science and I dont mean that in any other way than with the best intentions but its the case the world over. Just look at the trouble China is in now, they have had 10 years of boom and now people wont work for the low wages and so costs are changing and India is now the growth capital.
Brazil is also in hot pursuit.
China is growing faster than India, and Brazilian workers earn a lot more than Chinese ones - apart from that though, I think you're onto something here.0 -
ooermissus wrote:VTech wrote:Its not rocket science and I dont mean that in any other way than with the best intentions but its the case the world over. Just look at the trouble China is in now, they have had 10 years of boom and now people wont work for the low wages and so costs are changing and India is now the growth capital.
Brazil is also in hot pursuit.
China is growing faster than India, and Brazilian workers earn a lot more than Chinese ones - apart from that though, I think you're onto something here.
Not pro rata !
The fastest growing economy is in fact Mongolia but per capita, India is booming and has growth forecasts that are simply stunning.
The real issue is peoples demands, the more we have, the more we want, the more we get, the more we demand.
Its a vicious circle and is unsustainable which is why we need to be kept in order.
At the moment there is a huge push for "green energy" as it is a kind of acceptable taxation, people are more happy to pay when they believe they are saving the planet yet in reality this is just a backdoor to taxation growth without sustenance.Living MY dream.0 -
The question shouldn't be 'what's wrong with eating horse meat', it should be 'what's wrong with eating Findus/tesco value/lidle/iceland etc. lasagne'.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved0 -
Bute. Not good but not technically going to kill you more than the next Smidsy.
Looking forward to the clearance section in Tesco myself.
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team47b wrote:Are we designed to do this, good question, you decide...
Facial Muscles
CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
HERBIVORE: Well-developed
OMNIVORE: Reduced
HUMAN: Well-developed
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One of the best posts I've read in a long long time. I wonder if you can provide sources or links to books, articles etc. as this post is a compelling antidote to the usual we're designed to eat meat brigade.
I've not eaten meat in 10 years. I'm aware of the hypocrisy of vegetarian-non-veganism but equally, I think there's a lot of hypocrisy in this horse meat debacle. For sure, you should eat what you expect and there are health concerns, but there's also undoubted hypocrisy in a lot of the uproar of eating horse among those who are happy to eat just about anything else, including as has been succinctly put, low-brow ready meals.
As an aside, I was wandering through the supermarket this evening, and spotted the shelf with an array of meat past and fish past in little jars - f.uck knows what's in those. As a comedian once said... "if there's any word more ambiguous than paste, it's meat."0 -
I like horse, it's like beef but has a slightly spicy taste to it.
And, we're not designed to do anything.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved0 -
jawooga wrote:team47b wrote:Are we designed to do this, good question, you decide...
Facial Muscles
CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
HERBIVORE: Well-developed
OMNIVORE: Reduced
HUMAN: Well-developed
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One of the best posts I've read in a long long time. I wonder if you can provide sources or links to books, articles etc. as this post is a compelling antidote to the usual we're designed to eat meat brigade.
You can find as much evidence to prove right any point of view that you may have, in any media you choose.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved0 -
The fact that we eat meat has helped humans as a species become what we are today. We are stronger, faster, taller than we would be if we only ate plants. Tools invented for hunting have helped us develop our technology. If we only ate plants and fruit we would probably still be sat in caves if we even existed at all.0
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SmoggySteve wrote:The fact that we eat meat has helped humans as a species become what we are today. We are stronger, faster, taller than we would be if we only ate plants. Tools invented for hunting have helped us develop our technology. If we only ate plants and fruit we would probably still be sat in caves if we even existed at all.
That is one of the funniest things I've read on here in ages, spat my free range muesli onto the screen, nice one my isetta is a 300cc bike0 -
VTech wrote:ooermissus wrote:VTech wrote:Its not rocket science and I dont mean that in any other way than with the best intentions but its the case the world over. Just look at the trouble China is in now, they have had 10 years of boom and now people wont work for the low wages and so costs are changing and India is now the growth capital.
Brazil is also in hot pursuit.
China is growing faster than India, and Brazilian workers earn a lot more than Chinese ones - apart from that though, I think you're onto something here.
Not pro rata !... per capita, India is booming.
Indian growth is at its lowest for a decade, putting the government under considerable pressure. The picture looks worse per capita, as its population is growing so quickly. Pesky things, facts.0 -
team47b wrote:SmoggySteve wrote:The fact that we eat meat has helped humans as a species become what we are today. We are stronger, faster, taller than we would be if we only ate plants. Tools invented for hunting have helped us develop our technology. If we only ate plants and fruit we would probably still be sat in caves if we even existed at all.
That is one of the funniest things I've read on here in ages, spat my free range muesli onto the screen, nice one
Well, laugh all you like. I got that from a bbc David Attenborough nature program. I think he knows a damn sight more than either of us. You don't need to invent tools to go hunting lettuce. That's one of the basic things that has helped humans develop. Even if we are not specifically designed to be meat eaters it has made us what we are today.0 -
SmoggySteve wrote:team47b wrote:SmoggySteve wrote:The fact that we eat meat has helped humans as a species become what we are today. We are stronger, faster, taller than we would be if we only ate plants. Tools invented for hunting have helped us develop our technology. If we only ate plants and fruit we would probably still be sat in caves if we even existed at all.
That is one of the funniest things I've read on here in ages, spat my free range muesli onto the screen, nice one
Well, laugh all you like. I got that from a bbc David Attenborough nature program. I think he knows a damn sight more than either of us. You don't need to invent tools to go hunting lettuce. That's one of the basic things that has helped humans develop. Even if we are not specifically designed to be meat eaters it has made us what we are today.
Yup. And 'easy' food meant more leisure time. That leisure time was used to pass on what was learned from one generation to the next and from that you get the development of culture and skills. Not possible if you spend all your waking hours foraging.
The older I get, the better I was.0 -
