aspartame

cyco2

This was on BBC1 last Monday. Its about sugar and sweeteners.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_3/

I guess a diet that concentrates on the reduction of sugars is the way to go for a healthy life. Except for the high energy requirements of sports activities. You'll also see the information on sweeteners is interesting and conflicts with what people have said on here.

Velonutter

SIS held a presentation about their products and I questioned them why they continue to use Aspartame, their argument was that you would need to drink a swimming pool full before it would do you harm.

Sorry but if there is a risk, then they should stop using it, I'm surprised that Chris Hoy advocates the use of SIS as well knowing that it contains aspartame.

sw465

Velonutter wrote:

SIS held a presentation about their products and I questioned them why they continue to use Aspartame, their argument was that you would need to drink a swimming pool full before it would do you harm.

Sorry but if there is a risk, then they should stop using it, I'm surprised that Chris Hoy advocates the use of SIS as well knowing that it contains aspartame.

Maybe you should write Chris Hoy a letter about his endorsement of Bran Flakes, they have salt in you know... a swimming pool full of salt will do you harm :roll:

flanagaj

When it comes down to it, sports stars will endorse anything within reason, provided the fee is good.

I doubt Chris Hoy eats salty / sugary bran flakes for breakfast.

Velonutter

sw465 wrote:

Velonutter wrote:

SIS held a presentation about their products and I questioned them why they continue to use Aspartame, their argument was that you would need to drink a swimming pool full before it would do you harm.

Sorry but if there is a risk, then they should stop using it, I'm surprised that Chris Hoy advocates the use of SIS as well knowing that it contains aspartame.

Maybe you should write Chris Hoy a letter about his endorsement of Bran Flakes, they have salt in you know... a swimming pool full of salt will do you harm :roll:

Well done nice first post!

jgsi

Apologists for the chemical food industry can throw a swerve ball all they like, but I vehemently will continue just to add fair trade unrefined cane sugar into my flapjack recipe, so there.

sw465

danowat wrote:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19352508

It is also reported that the increase in use of artificial sweetners follows the increase of type 2 diabetes, because of the increased insulin response due to artificial sweetners.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/49/3/427.full.pdf

That paper has nothing to do with aspartame. Activation of the receptor leads to insulin secretion, yes. Is aspartame a ligand for this family of receptors?
No.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3186843/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11917125/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11509186/

Velonutter wrote:

sw465 wrote:

Velonutter wrote:

SIS held a presentation about their products and I questioned them why they continue to use Aspartame, their argument was that you would need to drink a swimming pool full before it would do you harm.

Sorry but if there is a risk, then they should stop using it, I'm surprised that Chris Hoy advocates the use of SIS as well knowing that it contains aspartame.

Maybe you should write Chris Hoy a letter about his endorsement of Bran Flakes, they have salt in you know... a swimming pool full of salt will do you harm :roll:

Well done nice first post!

...Thankyou (?) Point still stands, 'the dose makes the poison'.
There are plenty of chemicals you consume that have been proven to have harmful side effects at certain concentrations or even that are untested. Aspartame is not one of them, a few hoax emails and some science-illiterate tabloids do not counter years worth of research from dozens of countries that suggests otherwise.

jgsi

Why on earth are you recommending something basically out of a test tube because that is how it is reading.
I can read labels by the way... if manufacturers decide to concoct untruths on them, it is not the consumers fault.
I suppose you think organic food is a complete waste of time as well?
By the way, if you know these chemicals.. then do... list them.
Seriously, I am interested .. being very selfish.. for the sake of my short term and long term health, but perhaps as a baby boomer, I am doomed anyway.

slowsider

JGSI wrote:

By the way, if you know these chemicals.. then do... list them.
Seriously, I am interested .. being very selfish.. for the sake of my short term and long term health, but perhaps as a baby boomer, I am doomed anyway.

Shall we start with alcohol ?

sw465

JGSI wrote:

Why on earth are you recommending something basically out of a test tube because that is how it is reading.
I can read labels by the way... if manufacturers decide to concoct untruths on them, it is not the consumers fault.
I suppose you think organic food is a complete waste of time as well?
By the way, if you know these chemicals.. then do... list them.
Seriously, I am interested .. being very selfish.. for the sake of my short term and long term health, but perhaps as a baby boomer, I am doomed anyway.

Because it's 'made out of a test tube' means it's automatically bad for you? Why don't you just give up those nasty pharmaceuticals if you get ill and try homeopathy, I hear that's natural. Suppose if you're one of these people that use certain products because 'they contain fewer chemicals' you might be beyond saving.
I don't understand the unjustified fear of products with aspartame, whilst the same terrified consumers will happily consume ethanol, caffeine, nictotine and so on.
Just to really put the fear into you, glutamate has been shown to be neurotoxic in in vitro cell cultures. So you should pretty much just stop eating most food now, you might still be ok. Oh and chocolate, theobromine is still toxic in humans, not just dogs. We just metabolise it at a faster rate.

nawty

JGSI wrote:

if anyone knows of a decent enough tonic water without this crap in, please let me know.

Waitrose own brand tonic as no artificial sweetners, nice and bitter too

nawty

Velonutter wrote:

SIS held a presentation about their products and I questioned them why they continue to use Aspartame, their argument was that you would need to drink a swimming pool full before it would do you harm.

Sorry but if there is a risk, then they should stop using it, I'm surprised that Chris Hoy advocates the use of SIS as well knowing that it contains aspartame.

Bollocks.

Apples have cyanide in them, should you stop eating them?

I'm not saying we shouldn't be worried about aspartame but as an argument that is seriously flawed thinking, or at the least VERY naive about the world we live in.

In fact, cycling has a risk associated with it, why don't we stop doing that?

Velonutter

nawty wrote:

Velonutter wrote:

SIS held a presentation about their products and I questioned them why they continue to use Aspartame, their argument was that you would need to drink a swimming pool full before it would do you harm.

Sorry but if there is a risk, then they should stop using it, I'm surprised that Chris Hoy advocates the use of SIS as well knowing that it contains aspartame.

****.

Apples have cyanide in them, should you stop eating them?

I'm not saying we shouldn't be worried about aspartame but as an argument that is seriously flawed thinking, or at the least VERY naive about the world we live in.

In fact, cycling has a risk associated with it, why don't we stop doing that?

I appreciate what your saying, however when there are loads of other artificial sweeteners on the market, why do SIS insist on continuing to use it, if they just reformulated it with an alternative then they would gain sales.

To me it is about minimising the risk where you can.

mustol

I didn't realise that SiS products had aspartame in them, so have stopped using them and have just got some High5 instead. I understand that there are potential issues with lots of other ingredients that we consume, but aspartame is simply unnecessary and doesn't even make things taste good - if it made things taste wonderful, I'd accept the tiny risk. I drink more ale than I should, I know there could be long term health risks, but I love the taste and it makes me feel good. In simple terms, if SiS didn't use aspartame, they'd still have me (and probably many others) as a customer.

MattyDeez

I agree, i've went with Torq now because of it's no crap in them, plus changed out the energy gels for more solid food and changed the cnp flapjacks for mule bars.

High5 tabs have artifical sweetners in still. So dont use them!

Velonutter

Yep, although Torq is more expensive, I have changed to them because of SIS's stance and glad I did as I recover better and enjoy their flavours (You gotta try their Vanilla energy drink )

vino2012

Use bodybuilding.com forums to build up your knowledge of nutrition and diet. It is very much transferable to road cycling. These guys fret over their diets so the knowledge given is far far better than any rubbish i've read on this site. soory nothing against bikeradar (although their articles arent much substance)

sw465

Since many of you now seem to be abstaining from products containing aspartame, could you please tell me why? Preferably not citing information from blogs or newspapers.

jgsi

It makes my G&T taste like sh1T.. good enough reason?

slowsider

sw465 wrote:

Since many of you now seem to be abstaining from products containing aspartame, could you please tell me why? Preferably not citing information from blogs or newspapers.

Are you my wife or my mother ? :roll:

neeb

Just drink water, problem solved.

Off the bike the only beverages I drink are water, coffee, beer and wine (the latter three in moderation of course and always top quality stuff). On the bike if you need something sweet it's for the energy, not the taste, so I can't see the point in artificial sweetners...