The new Team Sky Rapha kit...

MountainMonster

What a lovely looking bit of kit. I'll probably end up getting one once I am in need again.

potters1863

Raffles wrote:

MattC59 wrote:

Raffles wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

For those that can't cope with the Pro Race forum here it is...

http://www.rapha.cc/shop

Well done Rapha. A big two fingers up to the price moaners and I think it looks boss ;-)

£150 for a short sleeve jersey :shock: , does it come with a "I am a total mug" certificate ?

Anything to back up your comment ?

I shall be ordering the £75 jersey.

Never liked any sky jersey regardless who makes it but £75 for a genuine team edition is in the ballpark where pricing is concerned, but £150 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft :shock: :shock: and I think a serious WTF is entirely justified.

I have the 2012 sky jersey and have been pleased with it. On checking out the Rapha site it appears that this new gear will be made in China? From experience of Specialized bib shorts made in China, then I won't bother with the new sky stuff. The bib shorts were falling apart in one season, I have since moved on to a mix of Giordana and Assos clothing.

The Giordana bib shorts made in Italy have lasted for 3 years and are still like new, the Assos clothing I have is also very good quality but at a higher price, some made in Bulgaria I think and other European countries.

I do find the Italian cycle clothing to be very good quality, hard wearing and a reasonable cost. Experience of the Chinese stuff, it's expensive for crap quality.

ShutUpLegs

Raffles wrote:

You havent placed an order then ?

I've never liked James Cordon

thegreatdivide

ShutUpLegs wrote:

Raffles wrote:

You havent placed an order then ?

I've never liked James Cordon

thegreatdivide

potters1863 wrote:

Raffles wrote:

MattC59 wrote:

Raffles wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

For those that can't cope with the Pro Race forum here it is...

http://www.rapha.cc/shop

Well done Rapha. A big two fingers up to the price moaners and I think it looks boss ;-)

£150 for a short sleeve jersey :shock: , does it come with a "I am a total mug" certificate ?

Anything to back up your comment ?

I shall be ordering the £75 jersey.

Never liked any sky jersey regardless who makes it but £75 for a genuine team edition is in the ballpark where pricing is concerned, but £150 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft :shock: :shock: and I think a serious WTF is entirely justified.

I have the 2012 sky jersey and have been pleased with it. On checking out the Rapha site it appears that this new gear will be made in China? From experience of Specialized bib shorts made in China, then I won't bother with the new sky stuff. The bib shorts were falling apart in one season, I have since moved on to a mix of Giordana and Assos clothing.

The Giordana bib shorts made in Italy have lasted for 3 years and are still like new, the Assos clothing I have is also very good quality but at a higher price, some made in Bulgaria I think and other European countries.

I do find the Italian cycle clothing to be very good quality, hard wearing and a reasonable cost. Experience of the Chinese stuff, it's expensive for crap quality.

I wish BR had a 'bangs head' icon.

freddiegrubb

Dark colours & country lanes - uk. light levels I don't think I'll bother.

thegreatdivide

freddiegrubb wrote:

Dark colours & country lanes - uk. light levels I don't think I'll bother.

So should they have taken their recognised black and blue kit and made it fluro? It's the Team Sky kit they're selling for god's sake!

Camus

potters1863 wrote:

Raffles wrote:

MattC59 wrote:

Raffles wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

For those that can't cope with the Pro Race forum here it is...

http://www.rapha.cc/shop

Well done Rapha. A big two fingers up to the price moaners and I think it looks boss ;-)

£150 for a short sleeve jersey :shock: , does it come with a "I am a total mug" certificate ?

Anything to back up your comment ?

I shall be ordering the £75 jersey.

Never liked any sky jersey regardless who makes it but £75 for a genuine team edition is in the ballpark where pricing is concerned, but £150 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft :shock: :shock: and I think a serious WTF is entirely justified.

I have the 2012 sky jersey and have been pleased with it. On checking out the Rapha site it appears that this new gear will be made in China? From experience of Specialized bib shorts made in China, then I won't bother with the new sky stuff. The bib shorts were falling apart in one season, I have since moved on to a mix of Giordana and Assos clothing.

The Giordana bib shorts made in Italy have lasted for 3 years and are still like new, the Assos clothing I have is also very good quality but at a higher price, some made in Bulgaria I think and other European countries.

I do find the Italian cycle clothing to be very good quality, hard wearing and a reasonable cost. Experience of the Chinese stuff, it's expensive for crap quality.

I'd definitely second this, I have a pair of Giordana 3/4 bibs and the quality, fit and functionality are all superb, wouldn't hesitate to buy again. They don't cost the earth either if you shop around online.

I had, well still have but never use them anymore, a pair of Specialized shorts which are OK for a quick spin down to the shops with, but if you were ever looking to do some serious distance in them things could get a little nasty in the undercarriage.

As for Rapha's Sky kit, I like the little flashes of blue it adds to some of their 'classic pieces' the softshell jacket for instance, but I don't want to buy any of it. I'm sure it will prove a hit for them though, the promotional photos alone are very enticing and make the product look special and distinctive. If I have any Rapha items lined up it will be some summer mits, some new bibs, or a pro team jersey/jacket.

I have my trusty Radioshack-Leopard-Trek jersey as my only piece of team kit, I wouldn't want to own more than one team issue item, especially not from the same team. To me, one piece suggests enthusiasm about the sport and a desire to be as fit and competitive as possible at your level, but I'd just feel like a pretender cycling around decked out in the whole outfit.

declan1

Obviously I'll not be buying any of it, but I think it's the best looking kit I've seen yet!

MattC59

So, all of the comments alluding to 'it's made in China, so it can't be good quality' or 'its Rapha, so it'll be expensive but the quality won't justify the price'........ How do you know ? Have you tried this range from Rapha ?

Thought not :roll:

ben@31

thegreatdivide wrote:

In regards to the black being too hot, Rapha treat the Pro kit with 'Cold Black' which actually helps cool you down...and it really works!

Ha ha ha good joke!

Gullible fools will believe any marketing hype.

MattC59

ben@31 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

In regards to the black being too hot, Rapha treat the Pro kit with 'Cold Black' which actually helps cool you down...and it really works!

Ha ha ha good joke!

Gullible fools will believe any marketing hype.

Have you tried it ?

thegreatdivide

MattC59 wrote:

ben@31 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

In regards to the black being too hot, Rapha treat the Pro kit with 'Cold Black' which actually helps cool you down...and it really works!

Ha ha ha good joke!

Gullible fools will believe any marketing hype.

Have you tried it ?

Of course he hasn't.

MattC59

thegreatdivide wrote:

MattC59 wrote:

ben@31 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

In regards to the black being too hot, Rapha treat the Pro kit with 'Cold Black' which actually helps cool you down...and it really works!

Ha ha ha good joke!

Gullible fools will believe any marketing hype.

Have you tried it ?

Of course he hasn't.

That's what I thought, but now we've said that I'm sure well see a post stating that he has

Raffles

Cold Black that cools you down................ha ha ha ha ha what a crock of cobblers :roll:

The £150 asking price should include a free brain scan to verify if there is a brain to start with.

thegreatdivide

http://www.coldblack.ch/index.php?id=49

Jez mon

As has been pointed out elsewhere, most other teams only offer a "replica" standard kit, rather than the full blown, as worn by the pros kit, which is what Rapha are offering, and whilst 140 quid is a lot for a jersey, it's by no means the most expensive jersey out there

This Castelli long sleeve wool jersey for example, RRPs at 200 quid

http://www.probikekit.com/uk/clothing/c ... 05161.html

LegendLust

Raffles wrote:

Cold Black that cools you down................ha ha ha ha ha what a crock of cobblers :roll:

The £150 asking price should include a free brain scan to verify if there is a brain to start with.

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MattC59

Raffles wrote:

Cold Black that cools you down................ha ha ha ha ha what a crock of cobblers :roll:

The £150 asking price should include a free brain scan to verify if there is a brain to start with.

I guess you've tried it too. You're proving not to be very bright aren't you :roll:

Raffles

LegendLust wrote:

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MattC59

Raffles wrote:

Cold Black that cools you down................ha ha ha ha ha what a crock of cobblers :roll:

Care to explain why ?

letap73

Just to change tack here, how would this jersey compare in performance with the assos ss 13 jersey?

MattC59

MattC59 wrote:

Raffles wrote:

Cold Black that cools you down................ha ha ha ha ha what a crock of cobblers :roll:

Care to explain why ?

No ? nothing ? Didn't think so :roll:

ScreaminWargasm

Bloody hell guys, if people want to spend THEIR money on a new bit of kit or shiny bike, let them. If you don't believe the marketing hype, then save your cash! You don't need to slag people off about it.

I personally will wait to see some reviews on the quality of the new range before getting my wallet out.

k-dog

I like black and riding mostly in Scotland I can barely remember a day where I was actually too warm in just a jersey.

Anyway, looked up that cold black stuff:

Sun Reflector
Light colored textiles reflect both visible and invisible rays of sunlight. Meaning that both light and heat are radiated back. In contrast, dark fabrics absorb both types of radiation and therefore absorb heat. coldblack® reduces absorption of heat rays, particularly in darker colors, and in all textiles. The result is tangibly better heat management.

Interesting, and that makes sense - in the way that fluoro colours are treated to behave differently than regular colours.

ben@31

k-dog wrote:

I like black and riding mostly in Scotland I can barely remember a day where I was actually too warm in just a jersey.

Anyway, looked up that cold black stuff:

Sun Reflector
Light colored textiles reflect both visible and invisible rays of sunlight. Meaning that both light and heat are radiated back. In contrast, dark fabrics absorb both types of radiation and therefore absorb heat. coldblack® reduces absorption of heat rays, particularly in darker colors, and in all textiles. The result is tangibly better heat management.

Interesting, and that makes sense - in the way that fluoro colours are treated to behave differently than regular colours.

Of course they are going to say that. They not going to write "our £140 jersey doesn't do anything better than a rival £20 jersey". Its like those pubs having a sign outside saying "good food served here" they're not going to advertise "slightly mediocre bland food served here".

Saying "its just better" doesn't cut the mustard if they can't explain why? Backing it up with hard fact, results, proof.

I too live in Scotland. I can barely remember a day where it was actually too warm .

Raffles

Ben , Rapha charging £150 for a jersey my cat could have designed and all the cold black nonsense can be simply summed up by the imagery above.

ic.

Regardless of price or quality, design wise I wasn't 100% until Revolution on Saturday night. Peter Kennaugh was wearing it and it looked properly awesome. Much better in person than those dodgy black and white images... might have been the velodrome lights though!

Jez mon

Meh, I know the opposite of the Coldblack technology exists, because you can use transparent coatings to IR laser weld two clear plastic sheets together. The theory isn't some kind of black magic marketing bull**** and is pretty believable. I'd rather see the marketing claims being presented in a proper peer reviewed journal with some hard science behind it though.

But all in all, compared to some of the marketing claims you see around sports products, this is nothing.

greasedscotsman

Interesting that the Rapha website claims a 9ºC drop in temperature and the Coldback website says 5ºC (or 9ºF).