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Wiggins knighted

Cheshire CeltCheshire Celt Posts: 137
edited January 2013 in The cake stop
After a great year wiggo is getting a knighthood well done wiggo
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  • random manrandom man Posts: 1,514
    Congrats Wiggo - and also Dave Brailsford, justly deserved.
  • Brailsford especially - just finished My Time by Wiggins, and it's bleeding obvious throughout that without him none of the cycling success (track or road) would have occurred.

    Meanwhile, the angry little republicanistas are all upset;

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... tcard-pomp
  • boh67boh67 Posts: 71
    I agree about brailsford. I wonder how long he will stay in cycling. He must be in the frame to be performance director for performance director for the Olympic team as a whole
  • HoopdriverHoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    Brailsford especially - just finished My Time by Wiggins, and it's bleeding obvious throughout that without him none of the cycling success (track or road) would have occurred.

    Meanwhile, the angry little republicanistas are all upset;

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... tcard-pomp
    God, what a tiresome, eye glazing tirade that is in the Guardian...
  • Hoopdriver wrote:
    Brailsford especially - just finished My Time by Wiggins, and it's bleeding obvious throughout that without him none of the cycling success (track or road) would have occurred.

    Meanwhile, the angry little republicanistas are all upset;

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... tcard-pomp
    God, what a tiresome, eye glazing tirade that is in the Guardian...
    Isn't it just.
    Is the gorilla tired yet?
  • Hoopdriver wrote:
    Brailsford especially - just finished My Time by Wiggins, and it's bleeding obvious throughout that without him none of the cycling success (track or road) would have occurred.

    Meanwhile, the angry little republicanistas are all upset;

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... tcard-pomp
    God, what a tiresome, eye glazing tirade that is in the Guardian...
    Isn't it just.

    I have a theory that the Guardian comment is free section is actually an instrument of the centre-right. It gives the left-wing pseudo intellectuals somewhere to be angry, and keeps them off the streets where they might actually cause real change.
  • I don't agree with "honours" but, being as they do exist the likes of our very top athletes being recognised has to be a good thing.
    Tail end Charlie

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  • RDWRDW Posts: 1,900
    I have a theory that the Guardian comment is free section is actually an instrument of the centre-right. It gives the left-wing pseudo intellectuals somewhere to be angry, and keeps them off the streets where they might actually cause real change.

    Any theories about the Daily Mail comments section?
  • random manrandom man Posts: 1,514
    I don't agree with "honours" but, being as they do exist the likes of our very top athletes being recognised has to be a good thing.

    A lot of countries have some kind of honours system, where exceptional achievements can be publicly recognised, it's just that ours is a relic from the past. I think the system should exist in some form but I can't see a problem with the one we've got.
  • RDW wrote:
    I have a theory that the Guardian comment is free section is actually an instrument of the centre-right. It gives the left-wing pseudo intellectuals somewhere to be angry, and keeps them off the streets where they might actually cause real change.

    Any theories about the Daily Mail comments section?

    Why, do we need one?
  • random man wrote:
    I don't agree with "honours" but, being as they do exist the likes of our very top athletes being recognised has to be a good thing.

    A lot of countries have some kind of honours system, where exceptional achievements can be publicly recognised, it's just that ours is a relic from the past. I think the system should exist in some form but I can't see a problem with the one we've got.
    Playing devils advocate then. I suppose you could argue there is no need for successful sportsmen to have a "honour" bestowed as their medals and titles etc give them public recognition.

    I feel a "Nabb inn" debate coming on. :lol:
    Tail end Charlie

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  • Or the fact that the BE bit of MBE, OBE and CBE stands for "British Empire", something which doesn't currently exist, and which for many people comes with serious negative baggage. Quite a few people have turned honours down because of this association with empire
  • It is much of a muchness really - despite being a throwback to the days of Empire (I think the current system is Victorian) I think it is silly to turn down what is, in effect, recognition of your efforts from the Crown on behalf of the British people. The honours list is drawn up by the Government for a number of categories.

    I also think it's rather silly to effectively shun a system because you don't like the concept of something which nobody living had any hand in creating, and on which the sun set 70 years ago.
  • Respect to Danny Boyle.
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  • Knighthoods Scmighthoods! My respect would have doubled for him if he had refused that outdated 'honour' and carried on as normal, Sir Bradly...Don't make me laugh!
    Well done Danny Boyle, and many others before him who have turned this down.
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  • Tom ButcherTom Butcher Posts: 7,137
    For me they are an anachronism but for those that believe in them congratulations to Bradley and the others.

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  • DrKJMDrKJM Posts: 271
    It struck me as a bit soon. The honour should be for the career, not one aspect of it. And given that it took us 67 years to honour one of the Bletchley code breakers maybe six months wasn't quite long enough to determine whether an honour was deserved.
  • random man wrote:
    I don't agree with "honours" but, being as they do exist the likes of our very top athletes being recognised has to be a good thing.

    A lot of countries have some kind of honours system, where exceptional achievements can be publicly recognised, it's just that ours is a relic from the past. I think the system should exist in some form but I can't see a problem with the one we've got.
    Playing devils advocate then. I suppose you could argue there is no need for successful sportsmen to have a "honour" bestowed as their medals and titles etc give them public recognition.

    I feel a "Nabb inn" debate coming on. :lol:
    Had the debate and in spite of being in a minority of one(ish) bit of fence sitting I'm still right. :lol:
    Tail end Charlie

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  • random manrandom man Posts: 1,514
    Had the debate and in spite of being in a minority of one(ish) bit of fence sitting I'm still right. :lol:

    Hmm, that's debatable :wink:
  • DrKJM wrote:
    It struck me as a bit soon. The honour should be for the career, not one aspect of it. And given that it took us 67 years to honour one of the Bletchley code breakers maybe six months wasn't quite long enough to determine whether an honour was deserved.

    He has been cycling, and winning medals on the track, for some considerable time before the TdF win....

    Indeed, he's up there with Sir Steve Redgrave and Sir Chris Hoy in the medal tally.
  • MattC59MattC59 Posts: 5,433
    The way I see it, is that most people object to the name and the fact that the award comes from the Queen. So if the name is changed and it's presented by the government, does that make the award acceptable ???

    As for Danny Boyle (that $40M man of the people), what benefit is to be gained by turning down an award for services to the country ? It just seems a little puerile to me. Would he have accepted it if it was changed, as above ?
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  • If the award came directly from the government, it would become even more partisan than it is now. I think much of the problem stems from the fact that the 'suggestion' for honours comes from the serving PM, although notionally it is a cross-party committee that draws up the list (I think).

    I wonder if very left-wing Boyle would have accepted the honour during the Labour administration?
  • RDWRDW Posts: 1,900
    RDW wrote:
    I have a theory that the Guardian comment is free section is actually an instrument of the centre-right. It gives the left-wing pseudo intellectuals somewhere to be angry, and keeps them off the streets where they might actually cause real change.

    Any theories about the Daily Mail comments section?

    Why, do we need one?

    Well, it seems to serve pretty much the same purpose as a safe play space, where rabid right-wing ranters can harmlessly spew their hate. It was probably set up by the same sinister left-wing cabal that created UKIP to draw support away from the Tories.
  • I wonder if Wiggins isn't that fussed really but felt he should accept it for cylings sake? I haven't looked up any of his comments on it yet.

    The thing about that guardian article is you know there will be an almost word for word reprint every year, they can't accept the situation and find something more interesting to say. The comments pages and internet in general are a boon for modern politicians, people spend hours bitching online rather than really agitating for change and getting off their arses.
  • peatpeat Posts: 1,242
    For me, i just don't 'get it'.

    Dave B, i could understand. He has done alot to bring UK cycling where it is today and sits back and applauds with everyone else when the riders take the glory.

    'Sir Brad' as an active athlete, is surely only chasing his personal goals. He's not doing it to 'inspire a nation'. He wanted to win TdF. He did that. Full, whole-hearted props for that. But worthy of a knighthood? Give over.

    When you look further down the honours list, past the 'headliners', you see the folk truly deserving.
  • DrKJMDrKJM Posts: 271
    DrKJM wrote:
    It struck me as a bit soon. The honour should be for the career, not one aspect of it. And given that it took us 67 years to honour one of the Bletchley code breakers maybe six months wasn't quite long enough to determine whether an honour was deserved.

    He has been cycling, and winning medals on the track, for some considerable time before the TdF win....

    Indeed, he's up there with Sir Steve Redgrave and Sir Chris Hoy in the medal tally.
    My comment was intended to be general, rather than aimed specifically at Wiggins. I would prefer that any recipient was honoured for a body of work rather than one individual event. And for sporting success where careers are fairly short it doesn't seem excessive to wait until the whole career is available to review. But in the case of Wiggins, where do we go next should he repeat his success? Does 3 consecutive Olympic golds equal knighthood? Why did Ben Ainslie wait so long for his then?

    I suspect the immediacy is more about Cameron wanting the reflected glory now rather than letting some future leader take credit. And in the interests of balance, Blair was as bad.
  • Daz555Daz555 Posts: 4,040
    DrKJM wrote:
    It struck me as a bit soon. The honour should be for the career, not one aspect of it. And given that it took us 67 years to honour one of the Bletchley code breakers maybe six months wasn't quite long enough to determine whether an honour was deserved.
    7 time Olympic medalist, 4 time Olympic Champion, 11 time World Championship medalist, 7 time World Champion....and that's before you even get to his road career.
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  • napoleondnapoleond Posts: 5,983
    I think he's more than qualified!
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  • DrKJMDrKJM Posts: 271
    NapoleonD wrote:
    I think he's more than qualified!
    No dispute there. But ask yourself, why now? Why did Ben Ainslie - equally as qualified, and arguably should have been in there after Beijing - get in the mix now? Why are people who have one notable success on their sporting CVs in there now? Because 'call me Dave' wants the glory. Because we can't wait to honour people after a period of reflection in case the political glory falls elsewhere.
  • MattC59MattC59 Posts: 5,433
    DrKJM wrote:
    NapoleonD wrote:
    I think he's more than qualified!
    No dispute there. But ask yourself, why now? Why did Ben Ainslie - equally as qualified, and arguably should have been in there after Beijing - get in the mix now? Why are people who have one notable success on their sporting CVs in there now? Because 'call me Dave' wants the glory. Because we can't wait to honour people after a period of reflection in case the political glory falls elsewhere.

    So, you don't think he would have got the award if someone other that Cameron had been in government ? Horse sh!t, it's got nothing to do with Cameron getting the glory.
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