Katusha - WTF !!!!

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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    they're not given any sort of licence right now. interesting question if their appeal to CAS fails and they apply for a pro-conti licence...apart from the ethical question (is the review process a lot looser for pro-conti teams?), there's the matter of the Rusvelo team in the pro-conti ranks and under the same ownership...
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    An ethical assessment by UCI is like being told not to burgle by a burglar.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,708
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    they're not given any sort of licence right now. interesting question if their appeal to CAS fails and they apply for a pro-conti licence...apart from the ethical question (is the review process a lot looser for pro-conti teams?), there's the matter of the Rusvelo team in the pro-conti ranks and under the same ownership...

    Not so much apparently....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    So RusVelo didn't get a pro-conti license either, pending a review in January.

    The most interesting thing is the UCI have said if Katusha won their appeal at CAS, they would demote a team from the World Tour.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    iainf72 wrote:
    The most interesting thing is the UCI have said if Katusha won their appeal at CAS, they would demote a team from the World Tour.

    So who is the most likely to be demoted?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    The most interesting thing is the UCI have said if Katusha won their appeal at CAS, they would demote a team from the World Tour.

    So who is the most likely to be demoted?

    Garmin?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,708
    I'm struggling to think of why they re doing this. The only reason I can think of is that Pat is trying to distance any competitors. Most people would have had Marakov down as a his main contender so he was attacked...

    Vaughters has been talking a little overloudly about the problems in cycling and how Pat should go.....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Officially unconfirmed but Twitter's reporting that Katusha's been denied a wildcard for TDU...

    So....Katusha chucked out of WT, Rusvelo denied Pro-Conti licence, Katusha's very first application for a wildcard may have been rejected...

    There's got to be more behind this. Could Holczer have spilled beans to the UCI?
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Ekimov confirms that the reason for Katusha being thrown out is the team's insufficient anti-doping policy

    http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/no ... p?id=58019
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    ddraver wrote:
    I'm struggling to think of why they re doing this. The only reason I can think of is that Pat is trying to distance any competitors. Most people would have had Marakov down as a his main contender so he was attacked...

    Vaughters has been talking a little overloudly about the problems in cycling and how Pat should go.....

    Not got anything to do with Pat though.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Ekimov confirms that the reason for Katusha being thrown out is the team's insufficient anti-doping policy

    http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/no ... p?id=58019

    And they do have the worst anti-doping policy of every team. Surely they can't be surprised that they failed this bit with a bang.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    ThomThom wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Ekimov confirms that the reason for Katusha being thrown out is the team's insufficient anti-doping policy

    http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/no ... p?id=58019

    And they do have the worst anti-doping policy of every team. Surely they can't be surprised that they failed this bit with a bang.


    Cant see CAS over-turning this one. Exhibit A: Galimzyanov's postive accompanied by his hand-written 'confession' posted on Facebook....Exhibit B: Replacing Holczer (he's bad enough) with Ekimov, named in the USADA report..
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,708
    iainf72 wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    I'm struggling to think of why they re doing this. The only reason I can think of is that Pat is trying to distance any competitors. Most people would have had Marakov down as a his main contender so he was attacked...

    Vaughters has been talking a little overloudly about the problems in cycling and how Pat should go.....

    Not got anything to do with Pat though.

    Gah you re so like totally naive dude! :wink:
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Nick Fitt
    Nick Fitt Posts: 381
    ddraver wrote:
    I'm struggling to think of why they re doing this. The only reason I can think of is that Pat is trying to distance any competitors. Most people would have had Marakov down as a his main contender so he was attacked...

    Vaughters has been talking a little overloudly about the problems in cycling and how Pat should go.....

    I read that Ekimov is 'believed' to be still under investigation by USADA in the LA reasoned decision. Maybe, amongst the other arguments, Marakov etc the UCI is trying to prevent another TdF start timed expose along the lines of "Another Tour Team Manager Doped With Armstrong, Pro Cycling Still Not Clean" or something gutterish along those lines.

    I dont believe everyone who wants to replace Pat is doing it for cycling, most will be doping it for position, 'power' and mopney. And, if you want to bring down the UCI, trashing the name again pre Tour is a good way to do it
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    This is cheeky. The Russians had been dicking around and putting off for ages the organisation of this race, anyway

    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13544 ... ction.aspx
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    edited December 2012
    Now Purito's saying he'll be off out of Katusha if they dont win their appeal

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rodrigu ... -de-france

    Guess the loyalty he was swearing last week got tempered by reality and (understandably) ambition
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    He's not got enough years left to waste a year riding shit small races.
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    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    L'equipe saying Menchov is the problem. I know there's a lot of smoke around him and perhaps they commission didn't like the way Katusha just ignored it.

    I've been wondering, who does it benefit to not have them in the World Tour. Certainly not McQuaid - He's not a political idiot so I doubt he'd risk annoying them. (and as inrng pointed out, the commission is really quite independent)

    Tinkov benefited and has history with the team. And has cash.

    Odd.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,680
    iainf72 wrote:
    L'equipe saying Menchov is the problem. I know there's a lot of smoke around him and perhaps they commission didn't like the way Katusha just ignored it.

    I've been wondering, who does it benefit to not have them in the World Tour. Certainly not McQuaid - He's not a political idiot so I doubt he'd risk annoying them. (and as inrng pointed out, the commission is really quite independent)

    Tinkov benefited and has history with the team. And has cash.

    Odd.

    It looks to me like this is a case of the licence commission being truly independent, which is great. We're just reading it with our "UCI corruption specs" on. I've been saying for a while now that fixing the UCI is about making sure the processes and procedures are transparent and independent, rather than just chopping off the McQuaid head. The point is to make sure the president has no way of interfering with the daily running of the UCI.

    There are a couple of issues though:

    1) Announcing the licence awards without providing reasoned decisions at the same time. This is a flaw in the process. It created a huge amount of gossip.
    2) Quantification of the licensing criteria - how on earth do you set the levels for "ethics"? Are there even any guidelines? If you compare it to the process for suspending a rider for a +ve then it's hugely opaque. There's also more than a hint that the commission may have pre-judged Katusha on cases which are still ongoing and unproven.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    CAS have rejected the request for an interim licence from Katusha.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    iainf72 wrote:
    CAS have rejected the request for an interim licence from Katusha.

    Fully expect J-Rod to announce signing a three year deal with Movistar today then.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    iainf72 wrote:
    CAS have rejected the request for an interim licence from Katusha.

    Didn't think CAS was able to make up their mind this quick.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Piti's toys will be flying out of the pram

    Next question: how many of his gang can/will J-Rod take with him
  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Piti's toys will be flying out of the pram

    Next question: how many of his gang can/will J-Rod take with him

    Depends on Movistars budget. Just him and Moreno maybe?
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  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,140
    Vino might take him, he would probably be quite willing to part with his Kash.


    I didn't take my coat off, Wasn't stayin long......
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Katusha gets a Pro Conti licence.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Now this is interesting. Eki claimed the other day that J-Rod wouldnt be allowed to leave because contract didnt allow for him to leave whilst licence was up in the air. Now that Katusha have a licence - albeit not the one they want - with no date still set for the CAS hearing, maybe now J-Rod leaves and they cant stop him
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,550
    I still don't get the ethics bit here. If they aren't fit for Pro Tour why are they fit for any other licence? Surely the ethics side of things should be equally applicable at all levels of the pro sport?
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    No wildcards from ASO for Katusha for either P-N or Dauphine. No clearer sign needed for J-Rod that they aint getting into the Tour

    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13771 ... phine.aspx

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