war on britains roads
foxydan
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Who is watching this now on BBC1?
Helmet cams def becoming more popular......as well as cyclist jumping red lights!
Helmet cams def becoming more popular......as well as cyclist jumping red lights!
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Glad I don't live and work in a city, looks like the commute is mental! Probably the edit, but seems like the BBC are trying to up the tension between the vehicle and bike communities. The cyclist with the glasses who's footage and commentary they are using seems like a bit of a c**k to be honest.0
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I dont think it is a wise decision watching this with the wife, I'm going to be banned from cycling!
But seriously, shocking behaviour by all parties, especially some cyclists giving us a very bad name!!0 -
seems a very balanced documentary. Some cyclists give the rest of us who follow the highway code a bad name.0
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50/50, a dickhead is a dickhead whatever their form of transport.
Plus it's all London London London, thank god that I live 130 miles away.0 -
Love the guy doing traffic droid - although must be a bit of a nutter.
thought it great when he dropped his card through drivers doors.....funny.0 -
I am just watching it and some of the footage is horrendous.0
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Makes cycling in rural Cambridgeshire and Bedfordshire look like paradise in comparison!0
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omg so much of this could be avoided in the first place0
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Even though slightly biase to cyclists, I have to say Garath the specy 24 year old is a complete tool and personally I think it's embarrassing to cycling.0
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Hmm.
Now, I've driven in London a lot - as a lorry driver, and as a sales rep. Right through the city, west end, etc. Much of what we've seen so far (carving up, jostling, etc) would be considered fairly normal behaviour whether you were in a car, bus, whatever. Simply, there is very little respect for anyone in London, and much less of it on the roads.
Much of the footage we've seen thus far is, in my opinion, questionable as to who's antagonising who (barring the Glaswegian tanker lorry).
I've also ridden motorbikes since I was 17. Motorcyclists are, generally, hugely aware of their own mortality and vulnerability - you avoid the risk, or get hurt. It doesn't matter who was right, who was wrong, simply that you need to be defensive to survive; work on the assumption nobody has seen you.
This, I think, seems to be lacking somewhat in some of the clips we've seen so far. Whether this is because cycling is something we learn young and don't associate it as a mortal risk, or whether it's because it's only just faster than running, I don't know. Nonetheless, trying to hold your own on the road against a London taxi (which are built like bricks) is debatable as to the sensibility.
What is difficult to swallow with this documentary is the mixing of the genuine risks (Glaswegian lorry, bloke getting knocked off at the start by the blue Micra, Bexleyheath muppet) and the genuine idiots who barrel around on two wheels like complete lunatics
Oh, the courier wankers race isn't going to help the whole cycling thing, is it?0 -
I know it's still cycling(ish) but this is a commuting issue that tars every cyclist with the same brush.0
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Agreed, that cyclist with the glasses has made me dislike cyclists!
That said a UPS driver nearly wiped me out the other day, turning right without looking as I was going straight on.0 -
well i have just finished watching that, jesus christ, as said above 50-50 in most cases. Trouble for half of it is they have painted a bike lane up a strip of road making it not wide enough for two to share. Glad i dont cycle in london thats for sure. Dont like to wish bad on many people but the sooner those couriers end up under a lorry the better.
The guy sandwiched between the two vans and one with a trailer would have pi55ed me off that was not a clever move.
Just think of all the incidents that dont get seen or filmed!
I now realise just a bit more of how lucky I am to have the Mallorcan roads to pretty much myself after looking at that. Stay safe out there people.0 -
I used to live in London but I moved North before I returning to cycling. I remember how poor the behaviour of many cyclists was then but because I was in a car I just felt they could kill themselves if they wished and it was none of my affair.
Two weeks ago I stayed in London for a few days with my family and I was appalled at the standard of cycling. I was particularly unimpressed with the number of cyclists on the pavement endangering pedestrians, but there seemed to be no end to the traffic laws that many of the cyclists broke.
None of this excuses aggressive behaviour by drivers but it's not hard to see why there's little love for cyclists in London.0 -
Neale1978 wrote:Werbo wrote:Even though slightly biase to cyclists, I have to say Garath the specy 24 year old is a complete tool and personally I think it's embarrassing to cycling.
Yerp.. riding badly and causing unnecessary crap left, right and centre
This guy did us no favours, and just fans the flames.
However, the mother of the poor girl who was killed by a cement lorry was an inspiration...0 -
I thought that guy who nearly got hit by the tanker had a very lucky escape. Not because he survived, but because they did not show his (many) other videos were he rides about starting arguments and generally acting like Mr Angry.0
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gezebo wrote:I thought that guy who nearly got hit by the tanker had a very lucky escape. Not because he survived, but because they did not show his (many) other videos were he rides about starting arguments and generally acting like Mr Angry.
Oh, it was him eh?
I take it back then.
I wonder how many of us, in his cleats, would have slowed earlier when noticing the artic to let him get to the roundabout ahead, and just avoided the danger altogether?0 -
Great to see anything Cycling related on prime time TV but some of the footage made it look like Cyclists with cameras just go looking for confrontation.
I cycle to work daily and have a near miss once a week but I dont chase drivers for an arguement.....you just accept your invisible,ride accordingly and let it go!!0 -
I found it very difficult to watch. It was at turns depressing, upsetting, horrifying and crazy. The mother of the woman who was killed by a lorry was incredible, and what she did at the lorry firm's Shareholder meeting was supremely brave. The courier race participants made me want to help car drivers catch them and punch them. The near misses were terrifying, and the footage of crashes made me feel sick: it felt too close to home. Who amongst us has not been knocked off our bikes by cars, or been within an inch of being cleaned up?
The Police on bikes seemed great, but I could not decide what I thought about the young cyclist with the camera - I don't think he helped our cause a great deal, and frankly, he seemed a bit too antagonistic and a bit of a dillon. The aggressive taxi driver who shouted at him seemed unable to accept that he might have been in the wrong - and I think he was. The 77 year old taxi driver was great, and everything he said was sensible. And then you find that he lost a grandchild in a bike accident.
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I have seen a lot of that footage before, it was very London-centric but the tanker lorry was in Glasgow which spreads the grief about a bit. The two older people who had lost relatives were impressive. The courier race was a filmed stunt done some years ago, not honest to omit explaining that the riders were not just riding in the City.
The problem with producing a programme on this subject is that the solution is that everyone should 'play nicely', not gripping is it?'fool'0 -
I thought it wasn't a bad overview of the life of an inner city commuter, both bike and car. Its sad that you are forced to be aggressive just to get to work without getting hurt or killed. I can understand the cyclists who jump red lights i don't want to be starting off at the same time as the traffic i don't even want to be on the same roads as the cars.0
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There was a thread around this recently, but not many comments highlighted how many of these situations can be avoided if cyclists behave as though they are operating a vehicle just like anyone else on the road. Many cyclists don't. They want to be exempt from the restrictions that come with being a vehicle driver. Some of them seem to be actively escalating incidents. Reminds me of the way some photographers took to purposefully provoking police and security people so that they could assert their right to take photos.
I'm not trying to excuse bad driving or terrible cycle lane design, but we can't have peace without responsible road sharing by cyclists.0 -
war's.. peace, are we really buying into the idea that theres some kind of a battle going on.0
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dynamicbrick wrote:
Oh, it was him eh?gezebo wrote:... acting like Mr Angry.
Yep, It was that Magnatom guy. Just had a look at some of his videos. Pretty brave going on national TV given the amount of people he must have upset over the years!0 -
gezebo wrote:dynamicbrick wrote:
Oh, it was him eh?gezebo wrote:... acting like Mr Angry.
Yep, It was that Magnatom guy. Just had a look at some of his videos. Pretty brave going on national TV given the amount of people he must have upset over the years!
Aye.
First of his I saw a while back was 'blimey, he was lucky'. Then I looked at his channel and thought 'nobody can have that many near misses accidentally'. Sure enough...0 -
whats the youtube channel of the man that gives out driving tickets
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Zingaro134 wrote:whats the youtube channel of the man that gives out driving tickets
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=traffic+droid
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Having commuted to work by bike for over 20 years , including a 3 year period of Ilford to Waterloo station everyday, there were a great many actions on there from cyclists which were paramount to suicidal.
Riding on the left side of HGV and filtering in the manner shown by many cyclist on there is just putting yourself and others at risk.
There was one saying on there which really stuck, As road users we should not be competing for space but cooperating with each other within it.
As cyclists we are vunerable and a small majority of motorists will exploit this vunerability by using the Right of Might adjective, where the biggest vehicle can intimidate its will on the smaller one.
I accept that as a cyclist there are times when my presence on the road inconviniences motorists as I will invariably be moving at a slower speed than motor vehicles and this in general is what causes confrontation.
I regretfully use the same Maxim now which forced me to give up Motorcyling, every other vehichle/ road user is a potential danger and as the 77 year old taxi driver stated (probably the only one who talked sense other than the bereaved mother) you need eyes everywhere and need to anticipate every worse case scenario. (as said on here earlier, personally even though it was his right of way, I would have anticipated that tanker pulling out on me and rode accordingly).0 -
Basically boiled down to idiot cyclists at times and idiot drivers in others. What we all know an idiot is a idiot regardless! Wife now scared senseless about my commute tomorrow morning! Very glad now in London.Cyclist at start in glasses made we want to punch him.Triban 30
