New Cyclops powermeter HR monitor thing?

SHADOWMATE

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/cycleops/powercal-with-heart-rate-and-speed-sensor-ec037773/?view=html&utm_source=email-uk&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2012-nov&utm_content=121121-uk-training#features

So has anyone seen this?
What do you think about it?
Isnt it at least better than a normal HR monitor?
And lastly whats a power metric?

fish156

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2012/11/cycl ... eview.html

danowat

If you want to measure power, buy a power meter.

twotyred

So has anyone seen this?

Yes

What do you think about it?

IMHO its a waste of money and the data is essentially useless- save up a bit more and buy a proper power meter

Isnt it at least better than a normal HR monitor?

No see above

And lastly whats a power metric?

Instantaneous power, 5 min power, 20 min power, 1 hr power, power/wt- that kind of thing

Herbsman

"...power meter calculated from heart rate..."

I read this and I predict that even in 16 weeks' time I won't have stopped laughing yet.

Herbsman

No cadence measurement, so it shows power output when you're coasting? What a joke

danowat

Herbsman wrote:

No cadence measurement, so it shows power output when you're coasting? What a joke

Indeed, it's laughable, anyone who has used a power meter and a HRM know's that the two don't nessecarily go hand in hand, cardiac drift is something, take todays intervals, first set avg HR 150, NP 275w, second set avg HR 156, NP 273w, last set, avg HR 162, NP 276w......

GiantMike

SHADOWMATE wrote:

What do you think about it?

I can't believe the Cycleops claims and I think it would be wildly inaccurate. I haven't tested it and I may be wrong though.



My recent 2x20 session. Note how HR lags power by some significant margin, even in steady state intervals. Imagine the impact of a race or shorter intervals.

ETA: The DCRainmaker review says it all really.

Herbsman

I like that it'll give a power figure for when you're having sex.

"we just came at 540 watts!"

SHADOWMATE

Herbsman wrote:

I like that it'll give a power figure for when you're having sex.

"we just came at 540 watts!"

Ha that's awesome.
So survey says..... Load of boll**ks.
Looks like to get power and train to ones absolute best, one must purchase a power meter. Makes sense really. Will talk it out at my coach consult then i guess. Fancy a G3 Powertap.

Maybe Strava missed a trick by not grabbing it for their "power but not really " box of tricks.
I hereby patent a "Y@wn" meter. It shows exactly how tired you are from your ride?

ChrisSA

I have one. It overestimates on road rides. It works well on the turbo for intervals of a few minutes upwards (cf TrainerRoad).
Who cares what the power value is, so long as it is repeatable. It works well for me; I travel alot, and I know if I hit 230W on the turbo at home, or the spin bike in a hotel gym, then I am getting the same training benefit.

danowat

ChrisSA wrote:

Who cares what the power value is, so long as it is repeatable. It works well for me; I travel alot, and I know if I hit 230W on the turbo at home, or the spin bike in a hotel gym, then I am getting the same training benefit.

HR is repeatable in that case, if the power value is irrelevant, why have some arbitrary "power" value assigned to your HR, when you could do exactly as you are doing without it, and just use HR.

All seems very odd to me.

Herbsman

ChrisSA wrote:

I have one. It overestimates on road rides. It works well on the turbo for intervals of a few minutes upwards (cf TrainerRoad).
Who cares what the power value is, so long as it is repeatable. It works well for me; I travel alot, and I know if I hit 230W on the turbo at home, or the spin bike in a hotel gym, then I am getting the same training benefit.

Really?

ChrisSA

danowat wrote:

ChrisSA wrote:

Who cares what the power value is, so long as it is repeatable. It works well for me; I travel alot, and I know if I hit 230W on the turbo at home, or the spin bike in a hotel gym, then I am getting the same training benefit.

HR is repeatable in that case, if the power value is irrelevant, why have some arbitrary "power" value assigned to your HR, when you could do exactly as you are doing without it, and just use HR.

All seems very odd to me.

HR is not repeatable - caffiene, tiredness, etc. The PowerCal is not a 1:1 mapping of HR:Power.

Herbsman - yes, really.

Herbsman

ChrisSA wrote:

danowat wrote:

ChrisSA wrote:

Who cares what the power value is, so long as it is repeatable. It works well for me; I travel alot, and I know if I hit 230W on the turbo at home, or the spin bike in a hotel gym, then I am getting the same training benefit.

HR is repeatable in that case, if the power value is irrelevant, why have some arbitrary "power" value assigned to your HR, when you could do exactly as you are doing without it, and just use HR.

All seems very odd to me.

HR is not repeatable - caffiene, tiredness, etc. The PowerCal is not a 1:1 mapping of HR:Power.

Herbsman - yes, really.

Wait, what?! :?

danowat

ChrisSA wrote:

danowat wrote:

ChrisSA wrote:

Who cares what the power value is, so long as it is repeatable. It works well for me; I travel alot, and I know if I hit 230W on the turbo at home, or the spin bike in a hotel gym, then I am getting the same training benefit.

HR is repeatable in that case, if the power value is irrelevant, why have some arbitrary "power" value assigned to your HR, when you could do exactly as you are doing without it, and just use HR.

All seems very odd to me.

HR is not repeatable - caffiene, tiredness, etc. The PowerCal is not a 1:1 mapping of HR:Power.

Herbsman - yes, really.

Wow, impressive, it can detect caffiene and tiredness too :roll:

You've just blown the device out of the water with the HR is not repeatable statement

Herbsman

For a minute I thought 'I don't know how they've even sold one of these devices' but realistically, of course they'll sell loads, because people like to spend money, and not everyone is scientifically minded. I don't think people are stupid for falling for it, they just have a different mindset. I just don't think CycleOps deserve to make money from this!