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Trev The Rev wrote:mfin wrote:Trev The Rev wrote:If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it...
If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests...
Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.
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So you don't think PEDs should be illegal and the offenders locked up?
That's right. Also, when you said "If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it." I don't agree with that at all either, if by saying that you mean PEDs aren't worth worrying about if they're not illegal, because I believe they f**k up every essence of 'what sport is' - and hence are worth worrying about, if worrying is the right word.0 -
nathancom wrote:
I agree, we should probably lock them all up for the rest of their lives. We should probably chemical castrate them too so that the scum can't continue to breed because it is probably in their jeans which they probably shoplifted from Burberry. We should also make the Daily Mail compulsory reading from the age of 5 and upwards in schools so that our children get taught proper morals.Trev The Rev wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:Trev The Rev wrote:iainf72 wrote:Sounds like a plan.
Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.
Oh.
It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.
You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?
Last time I was burgled the offender was out of prison. Studies show a remarkable drop in the rate of burglaries committed by criminals whilst they are in prison but sadly when out on parole or bail their burglary rate rises again.
A confusion of issues here I think.
If prison was a real possibility for me, If I broke some rule, I would be terrified of the prospect, and I believe most on this forum would feel the same.
Sadly, for some career criminals, It is not a deterrent, so keeping them in prison longer would, by default, bring the crime rate down.
This stance douse not make me a Fascist or indeed a Mail reader, just a realist.0 -
Crime rates across the western world have been falling in every country independent of length of sentences handed out so your desire to lock up people for eternity is neither necessary nor efficient but then again they deserve it because they are poor.mike6 wrote:nathancom wrote:
I agree, we should probably lock them all up for the rest of their lives. We should probably chemical castrate them too so that the scum can't continue to breed because it is probably in their jeans which they probably shoplifted from Burberry. We should also make the Daily Mail compulsory reading from the age of 5 and upwards in schools so that our children get taught proper morals.Trev The Rev wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:Trev The Rev wrote:iainf72 wrote:Sounds like a plan.
Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.
Oh.
It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.
You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?
Last time I was burgled the offender was out of prison. Studies show a remarkable drop in the rate of burglaries committed by criminals whilst they are in prison but sadly when out on parole or bail their burglary rate rises again.
A confusion of issues here I think.
If prison was a real possibility for me, If I broke some rule, I would be terrified of the prospect, and I believe most on this forum would feel the same.
Sadly, for some career criminals, It is not a deterrent, so keeping them in prison longer would, by default, bring the crime rate down.
This stance douse not make me a Fascist or indeed a Mail reader, just a realist.0 -
iainf72 wrote:But you're suggesting the prison is some kind of deterent. It's not. So if we move on from that, we realise criminalise doping is a folly.
We need better detection. If people think they've got a 95% chance of being caught they will not do it. If they thought, as it was in the early 2000's they had a 3% chance, they'd go for it with gay abandon.
Criminalization of doping does mean the police get involved, which is another avenue of attack against the doper. Think Millar.0 -
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nathancom wrote:
Crime rates across the western world have been falling in every country independent of length of sentences handed out so your desire to lock up people for eternity is neither necessary nor efficient but then again they deserve it because they are poor.mike6 wrote:nathancom wrote:
I agree, we should probably lock them all up for the rest of their lives. We should probably chemical castrate them too so that the scum can't continue to breed because it is probably in their jeans which they probably shoplifted from Burberry. We should also make the Daily Mail compulsory reading from the age of 5 and upwards in schools so that our children get taught proper morals.Trev The Rev wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:Trev The Rev wrote:iainf72 wrote:Sounds like a plan.
Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.
Oh.
It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.
You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?
Last time I was burgled the offender was out of prison. Studies show a remarkable drop in the rate of burglaries committed by criminals whilst they are in prison but sadly when out on parole or bail their burglary rate rises again.
A confusion of issues here I think.
If prison was a real possibility for me, If I broke some rule, I would be terrified of the prospect, and I believe most on this forum would feel the same.
Sadly, for some career criminals, It is not a deterrent, so keeping them in prison longer would, by default, bring the crime rate down.
This stance douse not make me a Fascist or indeed a Mail reader, just a realist.
Why do you assume criminals are poor? The scum bags who stole my Purdy are rather wealthy now.
http://www.purdey.com/guns/over-and-under/0 -
Just saw a banner on the BBC news stating that WADA are proposing/discussing changing the ban from 2 to 4 years. Don't know the context though.0
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Garry H wrote:Just saw a banner on the BBC news stating that WADA are proposing/discussing changing the ban from 2 to 4 years. Don't know the context though.
Think that's been on the cards for some time. CAS's ruling on countries applying lifetime bans on ex-dopers being selected for Olympics, being counter to the WADA Code, has given this extra weight I'd imagine. Means that dopers from all countries signed up to WADA have to miss a full Olympic cycle as minimum.0 -
what they need to tighten up is the loophole of so called co-operating and reduced sentancing. I've seem some where they don't name and names but still get 6 months instead of 2 years0
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The draft also includes giving WADA the power to look into cases that national governing bodies refuse to...which sounds good to me. Too many vested interests with national bodes - look at how Bertie's + was handled by the Spanish.0
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It'll be a feckin whitewash - just like the last one was.0
