UCI / Independent commission

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited November 2012 in Pro race
The president of CAS will appoint a lawyer, accountant and sports administrator to look into what happened in the UCI during the Armstrong years

I'd make a bold prediction but no one will like it :P
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Come on then,...
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    you would think no one is stupid enough to put anything in writing that is incriminating but then people often are stupid enough.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    iainf72 wrote:
    I'd make a bold prediction but no one will like it :P
    I might.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    iainf72 wrote:
    I'd make a bold prediction but no one will like it :P

    That f*ck all will happen? They're all in it together aren't they?

    Logic dictates that were a through, unbiased, investigation conducted then McQuaid should be going to jail if our suspicions are true.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I think it will say Hein was bad, but Pat has made a couple of boo boos but there will be very little evidence of 'corruption'. Will probably say he'd in over his head

    I would also expect some decisions will be called bad however they will probably have some context put around them which will help us understand why they happened. I also suspect we'll see something about the cost of policing the sport and how the finance vs legal vs do the right thing plays out.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Crawlinguphills
    Crawlinguphills Posts: 95
    Great, so an Independent commission comes back and says 'Yeah, you guys totally dropped the ball on this one' who's going to enforce it? They aren't going to find any criminal wrong doing, as that will be buried deep, deep, deep in the closet, so who's going to enforce the fact they have been cr@p and regime change? They cant legally force them out. Until governing bodies are answerable to, and investigated by governments, they will continue to do what the hell they want, when they want. Exhibit A? Fifa. Totally corrupt (allegedly) totally untouchable.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    as we know they all in league with each other and I wonder how truely independent this will be.

    As said I suspect nothing will really happen except
  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    Any word on what, if any, powers that the commission will have?

    I should imagine Hein is deleting emails as we type and that the shredders are busy in Aigle tonight...
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    To be fair I dont think CAS are in league with the UCI, any more than WADA is

    But we'll see
  • hommelbier
    hommelbier Posts: 1,556
    Swiss look to criminal law for sports' cheats
    http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/other/2012/1107/1224326292703.html
    The answer partly lies here but unfortunately don't really hold your breath waiting for the Swiss government to act.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    To be fair I dont think CAS are in league with the UCI, any more than WADA is

    But we'll see


    Erm.... I might want to revise my initial optimistic post there - well, at least in relation to Coates..

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pound-t ... -troubling
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    To be fair I dont think CAS are in league with the UCI, any more than WADA is

    But we'll see


    Erm.... I might want to revise my initial optimistic post there - well, at least in relation to Coates..

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pound-t ... -troubling
    Dick Pound would have criticised it regardless of who they picked - even if they had selected Dick Pound.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    To be fair I dont think CAS are in league with the UCI, any more than WADA is

    But we'll see


    Erm.... I might want to revise my initial optimistic post there - well, at least in relation to Coates..

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pound-t ... -troubling

    If Hein's influence is that toxic, how come it apparently didn't affect Pound during the 5 or 6 years when he served alongside Verbruggen on the IOC?
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Ah yes...the history 'tween Pound and Hein...
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    on the subject of Pound...old Dick wont enjoy this

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-and ... ng-failure


    the sight of various officials pointing the finger of blame at and across each other...not the most helpful thing...
  • Abdoujaparov
    Abdoujaparov Posts: 642
    Not saying that WADA should set up the commisson (it's more than doping), but CAS and Coates don't fill me with confidence at all. Those $70,000 donations sound pretty dodgy and we all know what a farce CAS is after the Contador case (refusing to hear evidence that would have dismantled the defence's "proof" that Clen didn't enter his body via a blood transfusion).
  • Trev The Rev
    Trev The Rev Posts: 1,040
    If performance enhancing drugs are illegal we should get rid of all the drug testing shambles and encourage the police to catch these criminals. Nothing like an interview under caution and a night in the cells and the threat of a few years in jail to get some real evidence and confessions. Ask David Millar and look where the hard evidence against Armstrong came from - the Federal Investigators.

    There is a very simple way to stop all the drugs in sport, 5 year prison terms for anyone who administers or supplies and 3 years jail for users. Drug taking in sport should be a criminal matter. If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it.

    If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests - I have been listening to all this guff for 40 odd years now and sport is still full of drug cheats. Footballers are on exactly the same drugs and using the same methods as cyclists and there is zilch talk about it, so why is cycling obsessed with it?

    Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    If performance enhancing drugs are illegal we should get rid of all the drug testing shambles and encourage the police to catch these criminals. Nothing like an interview under caution and a night in the cells and the threat of a few years in jail to get some real evidence and confessions. Ask David Millar and look where the hard evidence against Armstrong came from - the Federal Investigators.

    There is a very simple way to stop all the drugs in sport, 5 year prison terms for anyone who administers or supplies and 3 years jail for users. Drug taking in sport should be a criminal matter. If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it.

    If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests - I have been listening to all this guff for 40 odd years now and sport is still full of drug cheats. Footballers are on exactly the same drugs and using the same methods as cyclists and there is zilch talk about it, so why is cycling obsessed with it?

    Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.


    PEDs are not 'illegal' i.e. criminal office to supply etc, in every country - in fact only a handful e.g. France.
  • Trev The Rev
    Trev The Rev Posts: 1,040
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    If performance enhancing drugs are illegal we should get rid of all the drug testing shambles and encourage the police to catch these criminals. Nothing like an interview under caution and a night in the cells and the threat of a few years in jail to get some real evidence and confessions. Ask David Millar and look where the hard evidence against Armstrong came from - the Federal Investigators.

    There is a very simple way to stop all the drugs in sport, 5 year prison terms for anyone who administers or supplies and 3 years jail for users. Drug taking in sport should be a criminal matter. If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it.

    If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests - I have been listening to all this guff for 40 odd years now and sport is still full of drug cheats. Footballers are on exactly the same drugs and using the same methods as cyclists and there is zilch talk about it, so why is cycling obsessed with it?

    Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.


    PEDs are not 'illegal' i.e. criminal office to supply etc, in every country - in fact only a handful e.g. France.

    The French have the right idea then. I thought it was illegal to supply or obtain prescription drugs and assumed EPO was a prescription drug. Is EPO legal in the UK?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Sounds like a plan.

    Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

    Oh.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Trev The Rev
    Trev The Rev Posts: 1,040
    iainf72 wrote:
    Sounds like a plan.

    Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

    Oh.

    It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it...

    If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests...

    Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.

    -1
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Sounds like a plan.

    Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

    Oh.

    It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.

    You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?
  • Trev The Rev
    Trev The Rev Posts: 1,040
    mfin wrote:
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it...

    If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests...

    Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.

    -1

    So you don't think PEDs should be illegal and the offenders locked up?
  • Trev The Rev
    Trev The Rev Posts: 1,040
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Sounds like a plan.

    Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

    Oh.

    It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.

    You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?

    Last time I was burgled the offender was out of prison. Studies show a remarkable drop in the rate of burglaries committed by criminals whilst they are in prison but sadly when out on parole or bail their burglary rate rises again.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    But you're suggesting the prison is some kind of deterent. It's not. So if we move on from that, we realise criminalise doping is a folly.

    We need better detection. If people think they've got a 95% chance of being caught they will not do it. If they thought, as it was in the early 2000's they had a 3% chance, they'd go for it with gay abandon.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Trev The Rev
    Trev The Rev Posts: 1,040
    iainf72 wrote:
    But you're suggesting the prison is some kind of deterent. It's not. So if we move on from that, we realise criminalise doping is a folly.

    We need better detection. If people think they've got a 95% chance of being caught they will not do it. If they thought, as it was in the early 2000's they had a 3% chance, they'd go for it with gay abandon.

    My prison sentences would be a deterrent. But I agree with you it is the fear of getting caught which we need to work on. David Millar changed his tune once arrested. As Armstrong proved the tests only catch a small minority and are no deterrent. Does gay abandon still mean what it used to?
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    But you're suggesting the prison is some kind of deterent. It's not. So if we move on from that, we realise criminalise doping is a folly.

    We need better detection. If people think they've got a 95% chance of being caught they will not do it. If they thought, as it was in the early 2000's they had a 3% chance, they'd go for it with gay abandon.

    My prison sentences would be a deterrent. But I agree with you it is the fear of getting caught which we need to work on. David Millar changed his tune once arrested. As Armstrong proved the tests only catch a small minority and are no deterrent. Does gay abandon still mean what it used to?

    As I understand it, abandoning a gay is frowned upon, but I don't think you can go to prison for it.
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    edited November 2012
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Sounds like a plan.

    Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

    Oh.

    It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.

    You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?

    Last time I was burgled the offender was out of prison. Studies show a remarkable drop in the rate of burglaries committed by criminals whilst they are in prison but sadly when out on parole or bail their burglary rate rises again.
    I agree, we should probably lock them all up for the rest of their lives. We should probably chemical castrate them too so that the scum can't continue to breed because it is probably in their jeans which they probably shoplifted from Burberry. We should also make the Daily Mail compulsory reading from the age of 5 and upwards in schools so that our children get taught proper morals.
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    Ooh, I could rip a tissue.

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