Seemingly trivial things that annoy you

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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,632
    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Nothing to do with electrification (numbers have been declining since the 50's):

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,908
    pinno said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Nothing to do with electrification (numbers have been declining since the 50's):

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

    No, obviously. I meant that if the numbers have declined with rising car ownership, they are going to decline further when petrol becomes a niche/legacy fuel.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,687
    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Our local bus route has been an electric bus for a few years now too.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    rjsterry said:

    pinno said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Nothing to do with electrification (numbers have been declining since the 50's):

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

    No, obviously. I meant that if the numbers have declined with rising car ownership, they are going to decline further when petrol becomes a niche/legacy fuel.
    This is the practical limitation on the life of the ICE engine for personal vehicles.

    I am continuing to run my diesel probably until around 2028 is my estimate. However, if there is a huge shift to electric, I foresee the economies of scale of supplying (and therefore buying) diesel being the factor I can’t control that will force the shift earlier.

    However, the charging infrastructure is just not on track to be ready in 8 years for only legacy ICE vehicles to be needing fuel.

    Banks of 2 or 3 chargers in a supermarket car park with hundreds of spots simply doesn’t cut it.
    I wonder what percentage of car owning homes have off street parking? I have no idea! I’d guess at the 30%-40% mark and this will be where the majority of early adopters live.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,807
    A major problem with the move to electric vehicles is mining lithium is going to be an environmental disaster.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    masjer said:

    A major problem with the move to electric vehicles is mining lithium is going to be an environmental disaster.

    I think we’re ignoring that bit (collectively)
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,298
    Bigger or smaller than the environmental disaster from internal combustion engines?
  • Munsford0
    Munsford0 Posts: 680
    rick_chasey said:


    I cannot imagine farmers going electric. They haven't got an electric pick up option*. Therefore, there will be picks ups for sale and millions of Toyota Hilux's/Mitsubishi L200's/Nissan Navara's on the road.

    [*Pedants: yes, I know there was one on Top Gear but that's in America and it's VERY expensive].





    lol who cares about farmers.

    Anyone who wants to eat?

  • Munsford0
    Munsford0 Posts: 680
    morstar said:



    Banks of 2 or 3 chargers in a supermarket car park with hundreds of spots simply doesn’t cut it.

    We just had the local rail station reopened at a cost of £ several million. Car park doesn't have a single charging point. All the house building going on around here is also conspicuously free from charging infrastructure. (And most are still being heated by gas)

    There's a massive gulf between what we should be doing and what we are doing

  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    morstar said:

    rjsterry said:

    pinno said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Nothing to do with electrification (numbers have been declining since the 50's):

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

    No, obviously. I meant that if the numbers have declined with rising car ownership, they are going to decline further when petrol becomes a niche/legacy fuel.
    This is the practical limitation on the life of the ICE engine for personal vehicles.

    I am continuing to run my diesel probably until around 2028 is my estimate. However, if there is a huge shift to electric, I foresee the economies of scale of supplying (and therefore buying) diesel being the factor I can’t control that will force the shift earlier.

    However, the charging infrastructure is just not on track to be ready in 8 years for only legacy ICE vehicles to be needing fuel.

    Banks of 2 or 3 chargers in a supermarket car park with hundreds of spots simply doesn’t cut it.
    I wonder what percentage of car owning homes have off street parking? I have no idea! I’d guess at the 30%-40% mark and this will be where the majority of early adopters live.
    I am amazed how many (driveway owning) people down my road have an electric car. Anecdotally I would say that over half of new cars are electric
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    surrey_commuter said:

    morstar said:

    rjsterry said:

    pinno said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Nothing to do with electrification (numbers have been declining since the 50's):

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

    No, obviously. I meant that if the numbers have declined with rising car ownership, they are going to decline further when petrol becomes a niche/legacy fuel.
    This is the practical limitation on the life of the ICE engine for personal vehicles.

    I am continuing to run my diesel probably until around 2028 is my estimate. However, if there is a huge shift to electric, I foresee the economies of scale of supplying (and therefore buying) diesel being the factor I can’t control that will force the shift earlier.

    However, the charging infrastructure is just not on track to be ready in 8 years for only legacy ICE vehicles to be needing fuel.

    Banks of 2 or 3 chargers in a supermarket car park with hundreds of spots simply doesn’t cut it.
    I wonder what percentage of car owning homes have off street parking? I have no idea! I’d guess at the 30%-40% mark and this will be where the majority of early adopters live.
    I am amazed how many (driveway owning) people down my road have an electric car. Anecdotally I would say that over half of new cars are electric
    Only car or second car?
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    pinno said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Nothing to do with electrification (numbers have been declining since the 50's):

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

    I always assumed that was down to better fuel consumption so the total litres of fuel sold was declining
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,085
    edited July 2022
    surrey_commuter said:

    pinno said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Nothing to do with electrification (numbers have been declining since the 50's):

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

    I always assumed that was down to better fuel consumption so the total litres of fuel sold was declining
    It says that in the article, but also that selling a coffee is more profitable than 40 litres of fuel. It's proper free market stuff. There is no room to sell fuel even slightly above the market price.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    If I owned a private petrol station, I’d be investing in making it a charging hub with mini mart, coffee shop etc.

    One near us has definitely gone all in. Only a small station but a bank of 8 chargers. Is next to a motorway junction for context.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    surrey_commuter said:

    morstar said:

    rjsterry said:

    pinno said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Nothing to do with electrification (numbers have been declining since the 50's):

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

    No, obviously. I meant that if the numbers have declined with rising car ownership, they are going to decline further when petrol becomes a niche/legacy fuel.
    This is the practical limitation on the life of the ICE engine for personal vehicles.

    I am continuing to run my diesel probably until around 2028 is my estimate. However, if there is a huge shift to electric, I foresee the economies of scale of supplying (and therefore buying) diesel being the factor I can’t control that will force the shift earlier.

    However, the charging infrastructure is just not on track to be ready in 8 years for only legacy ICE vehicles to be needing fuel.

    Banks of 2 or 3 chargers in a supermarket car park with hundreds of spots simply doesn’t cut it.
    I wonder what percentage of car owning homes have off street parking? I have no idea! I’d guess at the 30%-40% mark and this will be where the majority of early adopters live.
    I am amazed how many (driveway owning) people down my road have an electric car. Anecdotally I would say that over half of new cars are electric
    If I had a driveway and did a lot of local driving, I’d be all in on an electric runabout.

    I don’t, I don’t and I’m not.

    I assume public chargers are subject to inflated rates for electricity too.

    This makes electric adoption two tier financially. Not sure how that circle gets squared.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,085
    morstar said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    morstar said:

    rjsterry said:

    pinno said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Nothing to do with electrification (numbers have been declining since the 50's):

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

    No, obviously. I meant that if the numbers have declined with rising car ownership, they are going to decline further when petrol becomes a niche/legacy fuel.
    This is the practical limitation on the life of the ICE engine for personal vehicles.

    I am continuing to run my diesel probably until around 2028 is my estimate. However, if there is a huge shift to electric, I foresee the economies of scale of supplying (and therefore buying) diesel being the factor I can’t control that will force the shift earlier.

    However, the charging infrastructure is just not on track to be ready in 8 years for only legacy ICE vehicles to be needing fuel.

    Banks of 2 or 3 chargers in a supermarket car park with hundreds of spots simply doesn’t cut it.
    I wonder what percentage of car owning homes have off street parking? I have no idea! I’d guess at the 30%-40% mark and this will be where the majority of early adopters live.
    I am amazed how many (driveway owning) people down my road have an electric car. Anecdotally I would say that over half of new cars are electric
    If I had a driveway and did a lot of local driving, I’d be all in on an electric runabout.

    I don’t, I don’t and I’m not.

    I assume public chargers are subject to inflated rates for electricity too.

    This makes electric adoption two tier financially. Not sure how that circle gets squared.
    A lot of people near me run cables across the pavement. In an ideal world, there would be more street chargers (e.g. lamp posts) and you would be able to charge at your destination (e.g. a supermarket)
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,475
    TheBigBean said:

    morstar said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    morstar said:

    rjsterry said:

    pinno said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Nothing to do with electrification (numbers have been declining since the 50's):

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

    No, obviously. I meant that if the numbers have declined with rising car ownership, they are going to decline further when petrol becomes a niche/legacy fuel.
    This is the practical limitation on the life of the ICE engine for personal vehicles.

    I am continuing to run my diesel probably until around 2028 is my estimate. However, if there is a huge shift to electric, I foresee the economies of scale of supplying (and therefore buying) diesel being the factor I can’t control that will force the shift earlier.

    However, the charging infrastructure is just not on track to be ready in 8 years for only legacy ICE vehicles to be needing fuel.

    Banks of 2 or 3 chargers in a supermarket car park with hundreds of spots simply doesn’t cut it.
    I wonder what percentage of car owning homes have off street parking? I have no idea! I’d guess at the 30%-40% mark and this will be where the majority of early adopters live.
    I am amazed how many (driveway owning) people down my road have an electric car. Anecdotally I would say that over half of new cars are electric
    If I had a driveway and did a lot of local driving, I’d be all in on an electric runabout.

    I don’t, I don’t and I’m not.

    I assume public chargers are subject to inflated rates for electricity too.

    This makes electric adoption two tier financially. Not sure how that circle gets squared.
    A lot of people near me run cables across the pavement. In an ideal world, there would be more street chargers (e.g. lamp posts) and you would be able to charge at your destination (e.g. a supermarket)
    Lamp post charging is going to be more expensive than for people charging from home.

    So still very two tier. But that's life isn't it and will be factored into house prices.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Lamp posts have the wrong voltage / amp apparently for cars, so need to be upgraded.

    Forecourts make like 2p per L of fuel (maybe 3-4 now) but 20% or more on other things.

    Lots of good franchise owners putting concessions into forecourts.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    TheBigBean said:

    morstar said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    morstar said:

    rjsterry said:

    pinno said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    orraloon said:

    Yesterday I saw a Mercedes swb van sitting on the charger point in car park, driver inside reading The Sun something. Not sure I've seen an e-van before.

    I saw an eblack taxi the other day. Kudos to the guy who bought it. Has to be more expensive and more of a compromise.
    There are loads in London. Ditto electric delivery vans. Think it might be quite easy to restrict sales to HGVs only. Market conditions might do it given petrol stations are already getting fewer and fewer.
    Nothing to do with electrification (numbers have been declining since the 50's):

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/03/the-decline-of-the-petrol-station/

    No, obviously. I meant that if the numbers have declined with rising car ownership, they are going to decline further when petrol becomes a niche/legacy fuel.
    This is the practical limitation on the life of the ICE engine for personal vehicles.

    I am continuing to run my diesel probably until around 2028 is my estimate. However, if there is a huge shift to electric, I foresee the economies of scale of supplying (and therefore buying) diesel being the factor I can’t control that will force the shift earlier.

    However, the charging infrastructure is just not on track to be ready in 8 years for only legacy ICE vehicles to be needing fuel.

    Banks of 2 or 3 chargers in a supermarket car park with hundreds of spots simply doesn’t cut it.
    I wonder what percentage of car owning homes have off street parking? I have no idea! I’d guess at the 30%-40% mark and this will be where the majority of early adopters live.
    I am amazed how many (driveway owning) people down my road have an electric car. Anecdotally I would say that over half of new cars are electric
    If I had a driveway and did a lot of local driving, I’d be all in on an electric runabout.

    I don’t, I don’t and I’m not.

    I assume public chargers are subject to inflated rates for electricity too.

    This makes electric adoption two tier financially. Not sure how that circle gets squared.
    A lot of people near me run cables across the pavement. In an ideal world, there would be more street chargers (e.g. lamp posts) and you would be able to charge at your destination (e.g. a supermarket)
    I had considered the running cables thing but…

    The charger grant was only available if you have off street parking.

    My earlier posts point out that the supermarket having two chargers isn’t enough for mass adoption.

    I am fortunate to have what is currently a very cheap electricity rate. I assume I’m going to pay considerably more at a public charger point than I could do using my own electric.

    A fringe concern with running a cable across the pavement is some spurious compensation claim. Even with an industrial cable cover, I can still imagine somebody ‘falling’ over it.

    So in short, for me, I could be keen but it just doesn’t add up at the moment.
  • Wheelspinner
    Wheelspinner Posts: 6,720
    shirley_basso said:



    Lots of good franchise owners putting concessions into forecourts.

    Perhaps not trivial, but this is the bit that *really* annoys me. Those concessions require staff, resources, power for heating/lights, services like water and waste collection.

    The business case for the investment into those concessions only exists because people are trying to save the planet by cutting their environmental impact, driving an electric car…

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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,610
    edited July 2022
    Wheelspinner said:

    shirley_basso said:



    Lots of good franchise owners putting concessions into forecourts.

    Perhaps not trivial, but this is the bit that *really* annoys me. Those concessions require staff, resources, power for heating/lights, services like water and waste collection.

    The business case for the investment into those concessions only exists because people are trying to save the planet by cutting their environmental impact, driving an electric car…

    🤦‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤦‍♂️

    Alternatively, there is a station in my village which reopened during lockdown. They compete on price with the supermarkets. How? Card only, no staff, marginal overheads.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,687
    Fuel up here in North Wales seems significantly cheaper than in South Wales - just filled up at 1.91 which is at least 6p per litre cheaper.

    On the electric charging thing, I helped get planning for a decent size park and ride on the outskirts of a popular tourist town where all the spaces were to have fast charging points. Surprise, surprise no sooner had they got planning than they started looking at cutting the number of spaces and adding more facilities such as a cafe.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,475
    Pross said:

    Fuel up here in North Wales seems significantly cheaper than in South Wales - just filled up at 1.91 which is at least 6p per litre cheaper.

    On the electric charging thing, I helped get planning for a decent size park and ride on the outskirts of a popular tourist town where all the spaces were to have fast charging points. Surprise, surprise no sooner had they got planning than they started looking at cutting the number of spaces and adding more facilities such as a cafe.

    Why do you need a cafe at the park and ride? Surely that's by definition not the destination for anyone who is using it.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,610
    First.Aspect said:

    Pross said:

    Fuel up here in North Wales seems significantly cheaper than in South Wales - just filled up at 1.91 which is at least 6p per litre cheaper.

    On the electric charging thing, I helped get planning for a decent size park and ride on the outskirts of a popular tourist town where all the spaces were to have fast charging points. Surprise, surprise no sooner had they got planning than they started looking at cutting the number of spaces and adding more facilities such as a cafe.

    Why do you need a cafe at the park and ride? Surely that's by definition not the destination for anyone who is using it.
    Waiting for the bus? Coffee before work?
    Dad's Taxis waiting for their fares? Make money? Just a few guesses. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,475
    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Pross said:

    Fuel up here in North Wales seems significantly cheaper than in South Wales - just filled up at 1.91 which is at least 6p per litre cheaper.

    On the electric charging thing, I helped get planning for a decent size park and ride on the outskirts of a popular tourist town where all the spaces were to have fast charging points. Surprise, surprise no sooner had they got planning than they started looking at cutting the number of spaces and adding more facilities such as a cafe.

    Why do you need a cafe at the park and ride? Surely that's by definition not the destination for anyone who is using it.
    Waiting for the bus? Coffee before work?
    Dad's Taxis waiting for their fares? Make money? Just a few guesses. 😉
    Same sort of people who have lunch at the supermarket I suppose.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,475
    The letter Fw.

    As in "through".
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,908
    First.Aspect said:

    The letter Fw.

    As in "through".

    It's a fing.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th-fronting
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,632
    I was in Cramlington at a retail park. There were 10 electric charging bays, all of them empty. The car park was busy.
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  • lesfirth
    lesfirth Posts: 1,382
    pinno said:

    I was in Cramlington at a retail park. There were 10 electric charging bays, all of them empty. The car park was busy.

    Why does that annoy you?
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,668
    Got emailed on the 6th of July by our energy provider saying we'd used £90 of gas and electricity and our DD was £173. Account well in credit.

    Emailed again on the 12th saying they are increasing our DD by £40 from August to "get our account balance back on track".

    Fuck off - get their account balance back on track they mean.
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