Gas and Electric Bills to Rise

Ron Stuart

Remember a few months back..... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 78413.html

Npower going about it's business..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -bill.html

Loads of money for them if we have another very cold winter no doubt

upperoilcan

As always,they only hike the prices when the winter is on it's way,funny how they never lift the prices during the summer...

Nobody added the gas suppliers to the W@nkers list ??????????????

fast as fupp

ah! the wondrous efficiency (profiteering) of the private sector!

it used to be ours now its owned by a cartel of gangsters.

daviesee

I blame Sid.

verylonglegs

fast as fupp wrote:

ah! the wondrous efficiency (profiteering) of the private sector!

it used to be ours now its owned by a cartel of gangsters.

I think you'll find most of it is owned by anyone with a private pension of any sort.

thegreatdivide

I'm going to be spending a lot of time at my girlfriend's house this winter ;-)

Bobbinogs

thegreatdivide wrote:

I'm going to be spending a lot of time at my girlfriend's house this winter ;-)

I hope not, it will make the timing of my visits very tricky.

Ron Stuart

verylonglegs wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

ah! the wondrous efficiency (profiteering) of the private sector!

it used to be ours now its owned by a cartel of gangsters.

I think you'll find most of it is owned by anyone with a private pension of any sort.

Wrong, pension companies invest in a multitude of different companies that are separately owned as below, the shareholders get a dividend and the pension companies executives get a fat salary as does the senior managers of the energy companies plus bonuses related to financial performance normally.

These are the companies that have ownership.... http://greenelectricityblog.co.uk/2009/ ... ur-energy/

And have a very efficient government lobby system and some have donated to party funds. Also this is where a lot of your money is going.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oc ... -elections

Now that's what I call a special relationship,....... Rule Britannia..... my backside

Frank the tank

If you see Sid tell him.

Thatcher the b@st@rds policy'

Heard some tory on tv this morning saying its because there is less competition than there was 15 years ago. Excuse me but 15 years ago there was more competition than when the utilities were a national concern where energy produced was for the good of all.

The reason prices are so high is because it's no more than a privatised cartel.

The BASICS OF LIFE should not be for anyones profit but a human right. Good lord I could lose my rag.

verylonglegs

Well, my bad. Still didn't see gangsters in that list though.

fast as fupp

gang·ster
n.
1. A member of an organized group of criminals; a racketeer.

robbing the people of this counrty blind

how many pensioners will freeze to death this winter?

gangsters

dw300

Are all the people claiming not to be able to turn their heating on trying to heat houses the size of Buckingham Palace?

Phil Fouracre

Definitely not Buckingham palace, but, you've got a point - get fed up with customers (am a heating engineer) constantly moaning about the cost of heating bloody big houses. Well buy a smaller one then!
Best ever was one who ran out of oil, called me out, I pointed out the bleedin' obvious. Went back after 'getting some oil' (bear in mind two boilers and an Aga!) to find he had spent £100 and there was about 150mm of oil in tank . Got to laugh - best part was he had a new Jag parked outside

Frank the tank

fast as fupp wrote:

ah! the wondrous efficiency (profiteering) of the private sector!

it used to be ours now its owned by a cartel of gangsters.

This exactly. Utilities should be publicly owned and supplied at the cheapest rate possible with no excess to pay out share holders.

Being able to keep warm is a basic human right.

Frank the tank

dw300 wrote:

Are all the people claiming not to be able to turn their heating on trying to heat houses the size of Buckingham Palace?

My elderly mother-in-law lives in a terraced house, what do you propose she go and live in a fcukin' dog kennell without central heating of course. Reckon I'll buy a duffle coat for her birthday in November.

fast as fupp

tbh frank, i reckon the powers that be are happy for unproductive work units to slip this mortal coil. must make a profit and all that.

Frank the tank

fast as fupp wrote:

tbh frank, i reckon the powers that be are happy for unproductive work units to slip this mortal coil. must make a profit and all that.

I was tempted to post this---- But frankly it's not really funny is it?

fast as fupp

no its criminal.

the greedy batsards should be strung up.

pliptrot

The wholesale price of gas has gone down this year. Now if these companies bought their gas this year then there should be a price cut. If they bought it before, i.e. did a bit of hedging, and got it wrong, then it's difficult to see why the consumer should pay for their poor business acumen. The system as is guarantees a variety of options for providers to decouple the cost at which they buy from the price at which they sell. This sort of thing is too important for the private sector to be in a controlling position.

Frank the tank

The French government told their gas companies bills cannot be lifted more than the rate of inflation, I'm sure our government could do the same if they really wanted to. They seem to be able to dictate to local councils with regard their budgets.

capt_slog

Nationalise the lot. And then continue the scheme with the railways.

symo

I am always impressed with the level of stupidity in the UK that is demonstrated when this is raised as an issue when the utility companies do this.

They were sold on the stockmarket.
Investors put cash in at the start of that sale.
Investors want profit year on year.
Investors do not put any more cash into the business.
Consumers pay the investors profit.

Not hard to understand really. We should have followed the French model. A private company run by the state.

pb21

There is also a conflict of interests. The companies need to make a profit by selling energy, but we are being told to use less energy and our buildings are becoming more energy efficient. It would be interesting to know what the total energy produced/shipped per year is.

Edit: Possibly using less? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_ ... ed_Kingdom

Ron Stuart

pb21 wrote:

There is also a conflict of interests. The companies need to make a profit by selling energy, but we are being told to use less energy and our buildings are becoming more energy efficient. It would be interesting to know what the total energy produced/shipped per year is.

Edit: Possibly using less? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_ ... ed_Kingdom

Maybe a bit like putting one these in charge of the chicken coop :?:

mamba80

Am i missing something here? what does it matter how much we reduce heating, insulate and save energy?
the energy companies will just up the price so they make the same or more money as before, there is nothing to stop them.
and this was the case under Labour as it is with the LibCons

capt_slog

symo wrote:

I am always impressed with the level of stupidity in the UK that is demonstrated when this is raised as an issue when the utility companies do this.

They were sold on the stockmarket.
Investors put cash in at the start of that sale.
Investors want profit year on year.
Investors do not put any more cash into the business.
Consumers pay the investors profit.

Not hard to understand really. We should have followed the French model. A private company run by the state.

Not really sure what you're trying to get at here. Where does the "stupidity" come into it? Are we stupid for complaining?

No, it's not hard to understand but understanding why doesn't mean that I have to like it.

pb21

mamba80 wrote:

Am i missing something here? what does it matter how much we reduce heating, insulate and save energy?
the energy companies will just up the price so they make the same or more money as before, there is nothing to stop them.
and this was the case under Labour as it is with the LibCons

Exactly, another reason for nationalising. Anyway they don't need to make as much before, they need to make more.

BigJimmyB

I would imagine the govt will avoid the capped French model, as the more the companies make, the more the govt take in tax.

I wonder if George Osborne's nana is freezing her t1ts off this winter?

Ron Stuart

mamba80 wrote:

Am i missing something here? what does it matter how much we reduce heating, insulate and save energy?
the energy companies will just up the price so they make the same or more money as before, there is nothing to stop them.
and this was the case under Labour as it is with the LibCons

Yep, you are missing something and that is by reducing the demand on our energy requirements we are directly reducing the levels of pollution of the planet that we live on. There should be a whole new approach to the way we going about our lives with lots more emphasis on properties being much more self resourceful, there is a huge industry 'in the waiting' that can help build, insulate and produce means where properties can become hugely much more self sufficient for there energy needs.
We are far to reliant on foreign owned multinational companies that supply this country with its most basic needs.
What is the point of funding all be it to a lesser extent these days a national defence force, when we lay our selves completely open to exploitation by foreign business interests, this I know isn't just the Energy Companies but a whole range of our basic utility industries.
We replaced the steam train with electric trains which were cleaner but only at the expense of building huge Coal Fire power stations that produced the electricity but at the expense of huge amounts of highly polluting and toxic by products, remember 'Acid Rain'.
Let us become less dependent on the big cartels that hold governments to order and explore the idea that we can look after our major energy needs by all the relevant means close to the point of need along with much better energy efficient means.

mamba80

Ron Stuart wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Am i missing something here? what does it matter how much we reduce heating, insulate and save energy?
the energy companies will just up the price so they make the same or more money as before, there is nothing to stop them.
and this was the case under Labour as it is with the LibCons

Yep, you are missing something and that is by reducing the demand on our energy requirements we are directly reducing the levels of pollution of the planet that we live on. There should be a whole new approach to the way we going about our lives with lots more emphasis on properties being much more self resourceful, there is a huge industry 'in the waiting' that can help build, insulate and produce means where properties can become hugely much more self sufficient for there energy needs.
We are far to reliant on foreign owned multinational companies that supply this country with its most basic needs.
What is the point of funding all be it to a lesser extent these days a national defence force, when we lay our selves completely open to exploitation by foreign business interests, this I know isn't just the Energy Companies but a whole range of our basic utility industries.
We replaced the steam train with electric trains which were cleaner but only at the expense of building huge Coal Fire power stations that produced the electricity but at the expense of huge amounts of highly polluting and toxic by products, remember 'Acid Rain'.
Let us become less dependent on the big cartels that hold governments to order and explore the idea that we can look after our major energy needs by all the relevant means close to the point of need along with much better energy efficient means.

The question wasnt about "how to save the planet?" it was about rising fuel bills and reducing consumption will not change that one iota.
Its cloud cookoo land to think that we can become less dependant on cartels, multinationals etc by insulating our houses or whatever.

Ron Stuart

mamba80 wrote:

The question wasnt about "how to save the planet?" it was about rising fuel bills and reducing consumption will not change that one iota.
Its cloud cookoo land to think that we can become less dependant on cartels, multinationals etc by insulating our houses or whatever.

As far as reducing consumption is concerned there are two basic facts you need to appreciate when it comes to cost to the consumer.

1.) You buy less you spend less. :idea:

2). When as is the case with energy like food and anything else in a consumer society the price goes up when the supply is reduced. We are aiming soon for an energy short fall me old chum. :idea:

By the way I'm the 'OP' and your attitude is sadly defeatist :!: