Grrr. stupid questions selling on ebay!!
kleinstroker
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I'm selling a set of 2-3 year old wheels on fleabay at the moment and have had over 20 people asking me how many miles the wheels have done and is the braking surface worn out??
Seriously, why do people bother asking stupid questions, the same thing happens when you try and sell a camera when they ask how many actuations a camera has had? Modern wheels must be good for 10,000 miles or so and modern cameras good for 100,000 actuations minimum. Do they think they're being clever or do they genuinely believe any answer I'm going to give them will make there minds up? What is this mysterious limit for failure they all seem to allude to? Very fed up!!
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Seriously, why do people bother asking stupid questions, the same thing happens when you try and sell a camera when they ask how many actuations a camera has had? Modern wheels must be good for 10,000 miles or so and modern cameras good for 100,000 actuations minimum. Do they think they're being clever or do they genuinely believe any answer I'm going to give them will make there minds up? What is this mysterious limit for failure they all seem to allude to? Very fed up!!
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Sounds like a reasonable question to me. If they've been in a shed for 3 years then you can say, 'they're like new', if they've been ridden day in day out for the last 36 months then they're gonna be ready for the bin.- - - - - - - - - -
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How many actuatationns has your camera had, whilst using it when riding on the wheels you have for sale?
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To me they are the same as people who decide if a car is roadworthy by kicking tyres!
The point is how many of you have ever, ever worn out a pair of rims? It's not that easy to do is it?0 -
all quite reasonable and well presented points but what we all want to know is how many miles have those wheels done? Hmm? Why wont you tell us ?What are you trying to hide??I bet they're paper thin those rims. :evil:Death or Glory- Just another Story0
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Me.kleinstroker wrote:The point is how many of you have ever, ever worn out a pair of rims?0 -
Aye - me too. 3 years is about par for an all-year-round set (circa 4000 miles pa).- - - - - - - - - -
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fairplay.. I did think it should take 10,000 miles to do in a set of rims, so 12,000 sounds about right.0
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kleinstroker wrote:The point is how many of you have ever, ever worn out a pair of rims? It's not that easy to do is it?
I've worn out several rims, as have friends of mine. It seems to be really easy, you just keep riding your bike......................~~~~~~Sustrans - Join the Movement~~~~~~0 -
natrix wrote:kleinstroker wrote:The point is how many of you have ever, ever worn out a pair of rims? It's not that easy to do is it?
I've worn out several rims, as have friends of mine. It seems to be really easy, you just keep riding your bike......................
Not stupid questions at all. Rims on a commuter bike won't last anything like as long as your weekend bike - by very nature of it you'll be on the commuter day in, day out in all weathers, with lots more stopping.
I wear commute rims out in 18 months of suburban traffic.0 -
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Perfectly reasonable questions. I do over 1000 miles a month so wheels don't last a year. If you tell me that they're 8 months old how am I supposed to ascertain the remaining life if I don't know the mileage or your cycling habits? Cars are good for hundreds of thousands of miles but would you ever buy one that was TMU (true mileage unknown)?English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0
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Sorry, but I'm somewhat startled that you'd think that wasn't a sensible question. I've also worn out a set of rims.
IMO, not asking the approximate mileage on a pair of one owner wheels would be slightly bizarre behaviour. Akin to buying a car without asking what the mileage is. I've ridden 10,000 miles in one year so I wouldn't assume that even one year old wheels aren't all but worn out.
Edit - should have read Grills reply as I've just repeated him!
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Perfectly reasonable questionhaving just bought new wheels dur to worn out rims. If you don't like it don't answer, but don't be surprised if you get fewer bids.0
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mattshrops wrote:all quite reasonable and well presented points but what we all want to know is how many miles have those wheels done? Hmm? Why wont you tell us ?What are you trying to hide??I bet they're paper thin those rims. :evil: I bet he'd actuated his camera to within an inch of it's life too! 0
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perfectly reasonable questions. I have put 10k miles on my wheels this year whcih i have just realised is going to be expensive. Your not related to the guy that bought the SL2 are you?0
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I dont do enough rimming to wear them out0
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fossyant wrote:Not stupid questions at all. Rims on a commuter bike won't last anything like as long as your weekend bike - by very nature of it you'll be on the commuter day in, day out in all weathers, with lots more stopping.
I wear commute rims out in 18 months of suburban traffic.
But your commuter bike will have thicker harder wearing rims to compensate surely? (Or disks possibly these days)Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/0 -
No I still say they are stupid questions! With a tip of the hat to you all, asking how many miles a set of wheels has done tells you nothing. I could have done 5000 on country roads with no braking or 5000 miles commuting through the streets of Mordor, it's a tyre kickers question. It might make you think you've learned something from the answer but you probably haven't.
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kleinstroker wrote:The point is how many of you have ever, ever worn out a pair of rims? It's not that easy to do is it?
It's very difficult to do if you sell them before they've worn out.0 -
In the absence of any other metric for wear it is a reasonable question. Like buying a 2nd hand car, you can get an idea of what they've been through even if it doesn't tell the whole story. Unless you can tell me the lifetime braking percentage for the wheels AND their mileage?- - - - - - - - - -
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kleinstroker wrote:No I still say they are stupid questions! With a tip of the hat to you all, asking how many miles a set of wheels has done tells you nothing. I could have done 5000 on country roads with no braking or 5000 miles commuting through the streets of Mordor, it's a tyre kickers question. It might make you think you've learned something from the answer but you probably haven't.
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No, honestly - it's reasonable. You can learn a lot - if the seller starts getting all defensive about it and grumbling about silly questions, then you know to walk away
Seriously though - look at it this way. I have wheels that have done 5000 miles and hardly look used. The braking surfaces are a bit abraded and there is the odd mark in the stickers but that's it. They will look pretty new but still have 5000 miles on them. I can therefore describe them as being in excellent condition, straight and true and clearly having not been ridden daily through the streets of Mordor. But that is obvious (hopefully from the pics). Just because you tell someone the wheels have done 5000 miles doesn't mean that you can't also tell them what sort of miles they have covered. Both are relevant.
You may therefore wish to buy them - the only thing you don't know is how many miles they have on them and, if you are planning on using them to commute every day through the streets of Mordor, that is relevant. For that you want some low mileage wheels with reasonably fresh hub bearings. If you don't ask the mileage question then, if when you receive them you come to the conclusion that they are high mileage, you have no come back.
It's a small question to ask and an odd thing to complain about. Clearly it happens to you a lot so why don't you just put the information in? Or are you hoping to fool people into thinking your smart looking high miles wheels are near new by not owning up to the mileage. It happens a lot on Ebay you know - people deliberately don't mention certain important factors in the hope that people will optimistically assume the best. It's what people don't say rather than what they do say that tells you most about an object. Nothing wrong with that - it's taking advantage of peoples silliness but you shouldn't complain when you get some intelligent prospective purchasers! Faster than a tent.......0 -
You need to buy some sturdier wheelsDesWeller wrote:Aye - me too. 3 years is about par for an all-year-round set (circa 4000 miles pa).0 -
Rolf F wrote:No, honestly - it's reasonable. You can learn a lot - if the seller starts getting all defensive about it and grumbling about silly questions, then you know to walk away
Seriously though - look at it this way. I have wheels that have done 5000 miles and hardly look used. The braking surfaces are a bit abraded and there is the odd mark in the stickers but that's it. They will look pretty new but still have 5000 miles on them. I can therefore describe them as being in excellent condition, straight and true and clearly having not been ridden daily through the streets of Mordor. But that is obvious (hopefully from the pics). Just because you tell someone the wheels have done 5000 miles doesn't mean that you can't also tell them what sort of miles they have covered. Both are relevant.
You may therefore wish to buy them - the only thing you don't know is how many miles they have on them and, if you are planning on using them to commute every day through the streets of Mordor, that is relevant. For that you want some low mileage wheels with reasonably fresh hub bearings. If you don't ask the mileage question then, if when you receive them you come to the conclusion that they are high mileage, you have no come back.
It's a small question to ask and an odd thing to complain about. Clearly it happens to you a lot so why don't you just put the information in? Or are you hoping to fool people into thinking your smart looking high miles wheels are near new by not owning up to the mileage. It happens a lot on Ebay you know - people deliberately don't mention certain important factors in the hope that people will optimistically assume the best. It's what people don't say rather than what they do say that tells you most about an object. Nothing wrong with that - it's taking advantage of peoples silliness but you shouldn't complain when you get some intelligent prospective purchasers!
Ah Yes! But I had described the wheels as being true and bearings smooth and in good condition, so what else are they really learning?? I will amend all my future ads though as honestly never thought such things were of that importance. For some folks I guess you can never have too much detail. Folks will be wanting warranties soon no doubt as well!!0 -
DesWeller wrote:In the absence of any other metric for wear it is a reasonable question. Like buying a 2nd hand car, you can get an idea of what they've been through even if it doesn't tell the whole story. Unless you can tell me the lifetime braking percentage for the wheels AND their mileage?
Maybe it would be better to state what force in nm you have exerted on the pads over the years and what is the composition of the brake pad/rim interface.. at the end of the day I view buying 2nd hand as just that you take the risks and have to accept you are not buying a new item. I am perhaps too easy going in that respect.0 -
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You need to buy some sturdier wheelsDesWeller wrote:Aye - me too. 3 years is about par for an all-year-round set (circa 4000 miles pa).
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kleinstroker wrote:DesWeller wrote:In the absence of any other metric for wear it is a reasonable question. Like buying a 2nd hand car, you can get an idea of what they've been through even if it doesn't tell the whole story. Unless you can tell me the lifetime braking percentage for the wheels AND their mileage?
Maybe it would be better to state what force in nm you have exerted on the pads over the years and what is the composition of the brake pad/rim interface.. at the end of the day I view buying 2nd hand as just that you take the risks and have to accept you are not buying a new item. I am perhaps too easy going in that respect.
Link please so you can put all our questions to rest, otherwise you just won't be left alone. Ask Steelem or Speedking, we are horribly limpet like on here.
Plus I am after a set of wheels for winter, so go on, go on, go on. I don't mean to brag, I don't mean to boast, but I'm intercontinental when I eat French toast...0 -
kleinstroker wrote:To me they are the same as people who decide if a car is roadworthy by kicking tyres!
The point is how many of you have ever, ever worn out a pair of rims? It's not that easy to do is it?
I've had my front wheel for a couple of years, it's pretty much down to the wear indicator, I ride it daily. So not hard at all really.I used to just ride my bike to work but now I find myself going out looking for bigger and bigger hills.0 -
dmclite-3.0 wrote:kleinstroker wrote:DesWeller wrote:In the absence of any other metric for wear it is a reasonable question. Like buying a 2nd hand car, you can get an idea of what they've been through even if it doesn't tell the whole story. Unless you can tell me the lifetime braking percentage for the wheels AND their mileage?
Maybe it would be better to state what force in nm you have exerted on the pads over the years and what is the composition of the brake pad/rim interface.. at the end of the day I view buying 2nd hand as just that you take the risks and have to accept you are not buying a new item. I am perhaps too easy going in that respect.
Link please so you can put all our questions to rest, otherwise you just won't be left alone. Ask Steelem or Speedking, we are horribly limpet like on here.
Plus I am after a set of wheels for winter, so go on, go on, go on.
It's like asking whether a bike's been crashed or not and getting the reply, 'Well, it depends on what you mean by crash', don't you think?- - - - - - - - - -
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For sale at auction: Widget
In good condition.
Colour yellow.
Will only post to UK
3 years old.
Examples of stupid questions for above item
Q: How old is it please?
Q: Will you post to Kenya?
Q: What's the buy it now price?
OP, the questions you're getting are reasonable. Ergo, you're wrong. Or perhaps, you're right, and everyone on this thread and all the people who have asked you 'stupid' questions are wrong.0
