Strong comments from F Moser

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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    I think it was Moser who said of his Worlds victory
    That day, i'd have won on a womans bike in my slippers.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    frenchfighter wrote:
    FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.

    So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.

    Ahh, now you forgot Armstrong on your list of super heavyweight certified true champions there. The feeling and memory of him winning 7 Tours remains imprinted on my retinas and that's what counts! :roll:
  • andrewjoseph
    andrewjoseph Posts: 2,165
    frenchfighter wrote:
    FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.

    So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.

    Only if you like champions that cheat.

    Looking good on a bike is not the main criteria for being a champion.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.

    So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.

    Ahh, now you forgot Armstrong on your list of super heavyweight certified true champions there. The feeling and memory of him winning 7 Tours remains imprinted on my retinas and that's what counts! :roll:

    Plus at this moment he hasn't had them officially removed has he whereas Contador has.
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Pross wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.

    So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.

    Ahh, now you forgot Armstrong on your list of super heavyweight certified true champions there. The feeling and memory of him winning 7 Tours remains imprinted on my retinas and that's what counts! :roll:

    Plus at this moment he hasn't had them officially removed has he whereas Contador has.

    Doesn't matter, it's the retinas that count!
  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    LangerDan wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Fair enough, but I am sure he hardly cheated to achieve all his other palmares:

    Grand Tours
    Tour de France
    2 stages (1975)
    Giro d'Italia
    General Classification (1984)
    Points Classification (1976, 1977, 1978, 1982)
    23 stages
    Stage Races
    Volta a Catalunya
    General classification (1978)
    Tirreno-Adriatico
    General classification (1980, 1981)
    Single-Day Races and Classics
    Road Race World Championships (1977)
    Italian National Road Race Championship (1975, 1979, 1981)
    Milan – San Remo (1984)
    Paris-Tours (1974)
    Paris–Roubaix (1978, 1979, 1980)
    Gent–Wevelgem (1979)
    Giro di Lombardia (1975, 1978)
    La Flèche Wallonne (1977)
    Züri-Metzgete (1977)

    Find out who Davd Ackman was. And then check what he said. Ackam referred to ""Moser Muesli". Francesco is worthy of a book. He should be quiet in future

    TBH, he wasn't really any grubbier than your avatar, Dave

    This. The old heads on here idolise their cheating hero's just as much as Frenchie does his.
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  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    Find out who Davd Ackman was. And then check what he said. Ackam referred to ""Moser Muesli". Francesco is worthy of a book. He should be quiet in future
    Always bugs me when people hint at hidden knowledge. If it adds to the discussion, can't you just say who Davd/David Ackam/Ackman was and what he said?


    South Londoner David J Akam was a Moser domestique in the mid-80's - is that who's meant?

    He was the Ian Stannard of his day...
    His team mate De Vlamenk also said he would tell how Moser won Milan San Remo. Moser was a thief
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    LangerDan wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Fair enough, but I am sure he hardly cheated to achieve all his other palmares:

    Grand Tours
    Tour de France
    2 stages (1975)
    Giro d'Italia
    General Classification (1984)
    Points Classification (1976, 1977, 1978, 1982)
    23 stages
    Stage Races
    Volta a Catalunya
    General classification (1978)
    Tirreno-Adriatico
    General classification (1980, 1981)
    Single-Day Races and Classics
    Road Race World Championships (1977)
    Italian National Road Race Championship (1975, 1979, 1981)
    Milan – San Remo (1984)
    Paris-Tours (1974)
    Paris–Roubaix (1978, 1979, 1980)
    Gent–Wevelgem (1979)
    Giro di Lombardia (1975, 1978)
    La Flèche Wallonne (1977)
    Züri-Metzgete (1977)

    Find out who Davd Ackman was. And then check what he said. Ackam referred to ""Moser Muesli". Francesco is worthy of a book. He should be quiet in future

    TBH, he wasn't really any grubbier than your avatar, Dave

    This. The old heads on here idolise their cheating hero's just as much as Frenchie does his.

    A tad more respect sir? The Italy result in 1984 was totally unfair
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    LangerDan wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Fair enough, but I am sure he hardly cheated to achieve all his other palmares:

    Grand Tours
    Tour de France
    2 stages (1975)
    Giro d'Italia
    General Classification (1984)
    Points Classification (1976, 1977, 1978, 1982)
    23 stages
    Stage Races
    Volta a Catalunya
    General classification (1978)
    Tirreno-Adriatico
    General classification (1980, 1981)
    Single-Day Races and Classics
    Road Race World Championships (1977)
    Italian National Road Race Championship (1975, 1979, 1981)
    Milan – San Remo (1984)
    Paris-Tours (1974)
    Paris–Roubaix (1978, 1979, 1980)
    Gent–Wevelgem (1979)
    Giro di Lombardia (1975, 1978)
    La Flèche Wallonne (1977)
    Züri-Metzgete (1977)

    Find out who Davd Ackman was. And then check what he said. Ackam referred to ""Moser Muesli". Francesco is worthy of a book. He should be quiet in future

    TBH, he wasn't really any grubbier than your avatar, Dave

    No, I do not agree with you.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    andrewjoseph wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.

    So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.
    Only if you like champions that cheat.

    Looking good on a bike is not the main criteria for being a champion.
    I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't consider doping cheating.
    frenchfighter wrote:
    When I say cheat, I don't mean doping.
    Sad really.
    https://gibworth.mypixieset.com
  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    Dave_1

    I know nothing of David Ackman - enlighten me. Also, what's the issue with his 84 MSR win? From what I've seen and read, he struggled on the earlier climbs, rode a clever race and out-Kellyed Kelly on the final descent in San Remo. Is there some Dick Dastardly back story?
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    thegibdog wrote:
    andrewjoseph wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.

    So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.
    Only if you like champions that cheat.

    Looking good on a bike is not the main criteria for being a champion.
    I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't consider doping cheating.
    frenchfighter wrote:
    When I say cheat, I don't mean doping.
    Sad really.

    Obv doping is cheating. My comment above was an explanation of my comment before that - Moser didn't cheat from doping to win that Giro.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Obv doping is cheating. My comment above was an explanation of my comment before that - Moser didn't cheat from doping to win that Giro.
    Are you sure of that given that he admitted doping to break the hour record earlier that year??
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Not sure what you are trying to say and don't fancy going into it.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    thegibdog wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Obv doping is cheating. My comment above was an explanation of my comment before that - Moser didn't cheat from doping to win that Giro.
    Are you sure of that given that he admitted doping to break the hour record earlier that year??
    To be fair, it wasn't banned at the time - so not actually cheating.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    RichN95 wrote:
    thegibdog wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Obv doping is cheating. My comment above was an explanation of my comment before that - Moser didn't cheat from doping to win that Giro.
    Are you sure of that given that he admitted doping to break the hour record earlier that year??
    To be fair, it wasn't banned at the time - so not actually cheating.
    Yeah, it's amusing that, of all the rules that were bent/broken, blood doping wasn't really one of them!
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,651
    Ex pros always sound like they're auditioning for a cycling themed remake of the Four Yorkshiremen.

    "Of course, when I were a lad we didn't have dérailleurs, we had t' pick chain up wi' t'and"
    "You were lucky t'have gears"
    ....

    "I rode 27 Grand Tours w'out stoppin on a 12 ton lump of granite and if it got chipped I had t' stab me'self in t'heart and glue it back together wi' me own blood"
    Warning No formatter is installed for the format
  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    LangerDan wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Fair enough, but I am sure he hardly cheated to achieve all his other palmares:

    Grand Tours
    Tour de France
    2 stages (1975)
    Giro d'Italia
    General Classification (1984)
    Points Classification (1976, 1977, 1978, 1982)
    23 stages
    Stage Races
    Volta a Catalunya
    General classification (1978)
    Tirreno-Adriatico
    General classification (1980, 1981)
    Single-Day Races and Classics
    Road Race World Championships (1977)
    Italian National Road Race Championship (1975, 1979, 1981)
    Milan – San Remo (1984)
    Paris-Tours (1974)
    Paris–Roubaix (1978, 1979, 1980)
    Gent–Wevelgem (1979)
    Giro di Lombardia (1975, 1978)
    La Flèche Wallonne (1977)
    Züri-Metzgete (1977)

    Find out who Davd Ackman was. And then check what he said. Ackam referred to ""Moser Muesli". Francesco is worthy of a book. He should be quiet in future

    TBH, he wasn't really any grubbier than your avatar, Dave

    This. The old heads on here idolise their cheating hero's just as much as Frenchie does his.

    I certainly don't. As someone said above - Moser should shut his 'kin gob.
  • andrewjoseph
    andrewjoseph Posts: 2,165
    frenchfighter wrote:
    thegibdog wrote:
    andrewjoseph wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.

    So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.

    Only if you like champions that cheat.

    Looking good on a bike is not the main criteria for being a champion.
    I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't consider doping cheating.
    frenchfighter wrote:
    When I say cheat, I don't mean doping.
    Sad really.

    Obv doping is cheating. My comment above was an explanation of my comment before that - Moser didn't cheat from doping to win that Giro.

    and my comment was re: you consider contador a true champion.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Moser has done as much as a pre-NYT Vaughters has done to admit he was EPO'd up to the eyeballs. OK so he hasnt formally admitted it, but you'd have to be blind not to be able to read between the lines
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    ddraver wrote:
    Moser has done as much as a pre-NYT Vaughters has done to admit he was EPO'd up to the eyeballs. OK so he hasnt formally admitted it, but you'd have to be blind not to be able to read between the lines
    He retired in early 1987. He won't have used EPO.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,548
    He came back to go for the hour record again in 1994, and almost certainly did use EPO then (given he was coached by Conconi and possibly Ferrari for it).
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    And still didn't get the record. Which is held by Boardman. Pretty incredible that he beat all those EPO sozzled riders.

    Maybe the superman is more performance enhancing then epo.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    frenchfighter wrote:
    And still didn't get the record. Which is held by Boardman. Pretty incredible that he beat all those EPO sozzled riders.

    Maybe the superman is more performance enhancing then epo.


    But at least the superman won't have long term side effects.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    andyp wrote:
    He came back to go for the hour record again in 1994, and almost certainly did use EPO then (given he was coached by Conconi and possibly Ferrari for it).
    That was just a mid life crisis though, not his actual career.

    (As an aside, I wonder if Armstrong might consider some super juiced up unofficial hour attempt?)
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  • bockers
    bockers Posts: 146
    frenchfighter wrote:
    And still didn't get the record. Which is held by Boardman. Pretty incredible that he beat all those EPO sozzled riders.

    Maybe the superman is more performance enhancing then epo.
    So you defend someone who cheated, lies and is unrepentant and then try and smear someone who has not cheated or, as far as i know, been suspected of cheating.

    Nice ethics you have sir!
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    bockers wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    And still didn't get the record. Which is held by Boardman. Pretty incredible that he beat all those EPO sozzled riders.

    Maybe the superman is more performance enhancing then epo.
    So you defend someone who cheated, lies and is unrepentant and then try and smear someone who has not cheated or, as far as i know, been suspected of cheating.

    Nice ethics you have sir!

    To be fair I think all he was suggesting was that the superman position offered more of an advantage than EPO did. It seems pretty flawed though as Moser had been retired for a while and was knocking on a bit at the time whilst Boardman was in his prime and in his element. Moser could have been doped and using the superman position and wouldn't have beaten Boardman's distance at that part of his career.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    That and that genuinely it is pretty amazing that he set that record, as far as I know squeaky clean, beating fueled riders.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    frenchfighter wrote:
    That and that genuinely it is pretty amazing that he set that record, as far as I know squeaky clean, beating fueled riders.


    Have huge respect for Boardman. I never get over the irony of his career being curtailed by his osteoporosis and the UCI not allowing him exemption from the ban on testosterone as part of his treatment...
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    RichN95 wrote:

    (As an aside, I wonder if Armstrong might consider some super juiced up unofficial hour attempt?)

    In a Speedo I hope.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.

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