Strong comments from F Moser
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“Nibali is only a good rider, not a champion. It takes more than that to deserve this title,” he asserted. “He tries, he tries, but he lacks something.”
“He is blessed. In my day, the riders were stronger and were paid less,” he said. “People praise him for little, because there is little to be excited about.
Looking outside Italy, Moser said that he also considers it premature to regard Tour de France winner Bradley Wiggins as a new star. “He won the yellow jersey as the Tour has been designed specifically for his characteristics,” he said, claiming that his team did much of the work to set him up in the mountains, and that the difference was made in the time trials. “I do not think would be able to do it again with a different parcours. The only real great, I think, is Contador.”
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From the mouth of a heavyweight legend. Thanks.
“He is blessed. In my day, the riders were stronger and were paid less,” he said. “People praise him for little, because there is little to be excited about.
Looking outside Italy, Moser said that he also considers it premature to regard Tour de France winner Bradley Wiggins as a new star. “He won the yellow jersey as the Tour has been designed specifically for his characteristics,” he said, claiming that his team did much of the work to set him up in the mountains, and that the difference was made in the time trials. “I do not think would be able to do it again with a different parcours. The only real great, I think, is Contador.”
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From the mouth of a heavyweight legend. Thanks.
Contador is the Greatest
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frenchfighter wrote:.....Moser said that he also considers it premature to regard Tour de France winner Bradley Wiggins as a new star. “He won the yellow jersey as the Tour has been designed specifically for his characteristics,” he said, claiming that his team did much of the work to set him up in the mountains, and that the difference was made in the time trials.....
Now Frankie, when you get a moment, I'd like to a have a quiet word about the 1984 Giro. At least Wiggins didn't need a helicopter and a cancelled mountain pass....Twitter: @RichN950 -
Old grumpy man thinks everything was better in his day - Shocker.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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I'd like to hear what Lucian Van Impe thinks..."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Nice 25th anniversary picture
Moser, with his chums Conconi (L) and Michele Ferrari.
'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
Never got over not winning the Tour, did Moser...
Most of us roll our eyes when the old 'uns like to turn to the favourite parlour game of criticising the current pros and conveniently forgetting that they themselves were fired up on juice at the time.0 -
Has a point about Nib's though, definitely only in Iain's Second tier and looks destined to remain there.0
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Old doper thinks the best rider out there is a doper! Great comemnts for cyclingTri Coaching
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It's not so much that. It's more that they forget that when they rode there were next to no Australians, Americans, Brits, Germans, Russians, Scandanavians, Colombians, Russians and other Eastern Europeans. Moser only had to race a couple of Frenchman and a few Belgians (even Spaniards were rare).Richmond Racer wrote:Never got over not winning the Tour, did Moser...
Most of us roll our eyes when the old 'uns like to turn to the favourite parlour game of criticising the current pros and conveniently forgetting that they themselves were fired up on juice at the time.Twitter: @RichN950 -
That's true. Globalisation of the sport expanded the talent pool dramatically, therefore reducing the victory % of the 'old school nation's'.
What Wiggins did this year was top champion racing. No doubt. True champions are built up over years though.Contador is the Greatest0 -
I bet Moreno is happy that his mad uncle has decided to bad mouth his team leader!0
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Pross wrote:I bet Moreno is happy that his mad uncle has decided to bad mouth his team leader!
Only until the rapidly approaching end of the season.
Moser is no Hinault, is he?
Blood will out, no doubt! :P
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
This has as much use as an endorsement on medical ethics from Harold Shipman.
Mind you, at least Moser put his hand up.0 -
Francesco should be quiet. He had a mountain stage of the Giro cancelled in 1984 where his poor climbing would have lost him pink and then he had a helicopter blow him to the TT win to steal the Giro 1984. He was a cheat.0
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Fair enough, but I am sure he hardly cheated to achieve all his other palmares:
Grand Tours
Tour de France
2 stages (1975)
Giro d'Italia
General Classification (1984)
Points Classification (1976, 1977, 1978, 1982)
23 stages
Stage Races
Volta a Catalunya
General classification (1978)
Tirreno-Adriatico
General classification (1980, 1981)
Single-Day Races and Classics
Road Race World Championships (1977)
Italian National Road Race Championship (1975, 1979, 1981)
Milan – San Remo (1984)
Paris-Tours (1974)
Paris–Roubaix (1978, 1979, 1980)
Gent–Wevelgem (1979)
Giro di Lombardia (1975, 1978)
La Flèche Wallonne (1977)
Züri-Metzgete (1977)Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Fair enough, but I am sure he hardly cheated to achieve all his other palmares:
Grand Tours
Tour de France
2 stages (1975)
Giro d'Italia
General Classification (1984)
Points Classification (1976, 1977, 1978, 1982)
23 stages
Stage Races
Volta a Catalunya
General classification (1978)
Tirreno-Adriatico
General classification (1980, 1981)
Single-Day Races and Classics
Road Race World Championships (1977)
Italian National Road Race Championship (1975, 1979, 1981)
Milan – San Remo (1984)
Paris-Tours (1974)
Paris–Roubaix (1978, 1979, 1980)
Gent–Wevelgem (1979)
Giro di Lombardia (1975, 1978)
La Flèche Wallonne (1977)
Züri-Metzgete (1977)
Find out who Davd Ackman was. And then check what he said. Ackam referred to ""Moser Muesli". Francesco is worthy of a book. He should be quiet in future0 -
When I say cheat, I don't mean doping. He doesn't accuse Nibali or Wiggins of doping.
It would be silly to say he wasn't a heavyweight of the sport.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Dave_1 wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Fair enough, but I am sure he hardly cheated to achieve all his other palmares:
Grand Tours
Tour de France
2 stages (1975)
Giro d'Italia
General Classification (1984)
Points Classification (1976, 1977, 1978, 1982)
23 stages
Stage Races
Volta a Catalunya
General classification (1978)
Tirreno-Adriatico
General classification (1980, 1981)
Single-Day Races and Classics
Road Race World Championships (1977)
Italian National Road Race Championship (1975, 1979, 1981)
Milan – San Remo (1984)
Paris-Tours (1974)
Paris–Roubaix (1978, 1979, 1980)
Gent–Wevelgem (1979)
Giro di Lombardia (1975, 1978)
La Flèche Wallonne (1977)
Züri-Metzgete (1977)
Find out who Davd Ackman was. And then check what he said. Ackam referred to ""Moser Muesli". Francesco is worthy of a book. He should be quiet in future
TBH, he wasn't really any grubbier than your avatar, Dave'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Never got over not winning the Tour, did Moser...
Most of us roll our eyes when the old 'uns like to turn to the favourite parlour game of criticising the current pros and conveniently forgetting that they themselves were fired up on juice at the time.
Don't think he was that concerned with the Tour. He only rode it once. Likewise with the Vuelta. He did ride the Giro a whopping 13 times though.Contador is the Greatest0 -
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frenchfighter wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Never got over not winning the Tour, did Moser...
Most of us roll our eyes when the old 'uns like to turn to the favourite parlour game of criticising the current pros and conveniently forgetting that they themselves were fired up on juice at the time.
Don't think he was that concerned with the Tour. He only rode it once. Likewise with the Vuelta. He did ride the Giro a whopping 13 times though.
Could that be because of the way the Giro could be manipulated to his benefit?0 -
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Always bugs me when people hint at hidden knowledge. If it adds to the discussion, can't you just say who Davd/David Ackam/Ackman was and what he said?Dave_1 wrote:Find out who Davd Ackman was. And then check what he said. Ackam referred to ""Moser Muesli". Francesco is worthy of a book. He should be quiet in future0 -
Pross wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Never got over not winning the Tour, did Moser...
Most of us roll our eyes when the old 'uns like to turn to the favourite parlour game of criticising the current pros and conveniently forgetting that they themselves were fired up on juice at the time.
Don't think he was that concerned with the Tour. He only rode it once. Likewise with the Vuelta. He did ride the Giro a whopping 13 times though.
Could that be because of the way the Giro could be manipulated to his benefit?
More that for an Italian, the Giro would be worth more. It's hard to take that point of view.
Maybe the Giro was leaned to his capabilities, but not every year for 15 years. He would have won a lot more than 15 if that was the case.Contador is the Greatest0 -
FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.
So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.Contador is the Greatest0 -
bompington wrote:
Always bugs me when people hint at hidden knowledge. If it adds to the discussion, can't you just say who Davd/David Ackam/Ackman was and what he said?Dave_1 wrote:Find out who Davd Ackman was. And then check what he said. Ackam referred to ""Moser Muesli". Francesco is worthy of a book. He should be quiet in future
South Londoner David J Akam was a Moser domestique in the mid-80's - is that who's meant?
He was the Ian Stannard of his day...0 -
You do this on purpose, don't you?frenchfighter wrote:FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.
So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Do what? Sometimes I think people forget how good his palmares are and that he still has a boatload more years to add to it.
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RichN95 wrote:
You do this on purpose, don't you?frenchfighter wrote:FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.
So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.
FF, your love for AC seems limitless - but wouldnt it be, well, cleaner, to just have a thread called "Homage to Bertie" or "J'adore Contador" and post all your photos there? Isnt it difficult to keep track of which ones you've already posted?
I think I can guess your answer to this, and if it wasnt for those pesky WADA and CAS organisations...but strictly speaking he has 5 GTs against his name, non?0
