Museeuw talks...

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  • skylla
    skylla Posts: 758
    But how, for instance, would it stand up to, say, a tumbarumba chardy?
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    esafosfina wrote:
    OCDuPalais... you've got it in one mate!
    Done a little digging and I have just one question. Did you find gold at the end of the rainbow in Lyon? If so, just watched in on youtube and OCDu Palais has got it right about the last 750, where did you find that from?
  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    esafosfina quick one, what were you thinking with that haircut when you rode for tulip?
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  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    Cal_Stewart wrote:
    esafosfina quick one, what were you thinking with that haircut when you rode for tulip?

    :lol: Could have done a head and shoulders add.
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  • Mccaria
    Mccaria Posts: 869
    edited September 2012
    Pretty sure I watched the OP race as a junior or maybe school boy at the nationals at the Saffron Lane track. Not long after arriving in the country ? Bloody hell he was good, dominant in the pursuit and far more sun tanned than any of the other cyclists !

    With regard to an amnesty, if it gets to a better understanding of what went on and helps facilitate necessary changes to clean up the sport, then I think it's worth it (maybe once and for all separating out the functions of cycle promotion and doping regulations into separate institutions, with doping reporting directly to Wada ?) However if it just leads to a year or two of navel gazing and then it goes back to the bad old days, then it will be one heck of an opportunity lost.
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    edited September 2012
    It is not fair to comment on hair styles from the 80s and 90s. It was a different world. Everyone was doing it.

    And on topic, without looking too deep into logistics/fallout etc do like the idea of an amnesty.
  • esafosfina
    esafosfina Posts: 131
    Cal_Stewart wrote:
    esafosfina quick one, what were you thinking with that haircut when you rode for tulip?

    Ha! Terrible wasn't it... it was tied up in a pony-tail a'la Lilholt! He got it right... :oops:
  • esafosfina
    esafosfina Posts: 131
    skylla wrote:
    But how, for instance, would it stand up to, say, a tumbarumba chardy?

    Tumbi chards rock! There's some cracking wines from there... try a Shiraz, really complex, savoury style! :D
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    I met Joe Parkin at the start of Flanders in 2011, he was keeping the faith with what i believe is the only haircut he's ever known.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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  • esafosfina
    esafosfina Posts: 131
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    esafosfina wrote:
    OCDuPalais... you've got it in one mate!
    Done a little digging and I have just one question. Did you find gold at the end of the rainbow in Lyon? If so, just watched in on youtube and OCDu Palais has got it right about the last 750, where did you find that from?

    Gold was achieved! As for the last kick... just my style I guess. :D
  • esafosfina
    esafosfina Posts: 131
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    I met Joe Parkin at the start of Flanders in 2011, he was keeping the faith with what i believe is the only haircut he's ever known.

    Joe has had that haircut since I first knew him! I used to give him grief about it looking like a mullet, but he just resonded by growing it out a'la rock-star! Great guy...
  • esafosfina
    esafosfina Posts: 131
    I'm away for a week or so on the Tour Of Britain so might not have much of a chance to reply or play on BR... so, not being rude, just busy!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    I met Joe Parkin at the start of Flanders in 2011, he was keeping the faith with what i believe is the only haircut he's ever known.

    joe_parkin_tulip_team_hero_card.jpg
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  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    esafosfina wrote:
    I'm away for a week or so on the Tour Of Britain so might not have much of a chance to reply or play on BR... so, not being rude, just busy!

    Wicked.

    Who are you riding for?
  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    esafosfina wrote:
    I'm away for a week or so on the Tour Of Britain so might not have much of a chance to reply or play on BR... so, not being rude, just busy!

    Wicked.

    Who are you riding for?

    He could probably still do a job...
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  • skylla
    skylla Posts: 758
    edited September 2012
    esafosfina wrote:
    I'm away for a week or so on the Tour Of Britain so might not have much of a chance to reply or play on BR... so, not being rude, just busy!

    The pro race forum as a pro playground! Fabulous. Enjoy the ToB, bring a jumper! Are you attending all stages?
  • dortmunder
    dortmunder Posts: 101
    edited September 2012
    I'm all for wiping the slate clean as regards past mistakes, an amnesty seems to be the way forward. I guess it is a very brave step to take admitting you were part of that culture. Maybe it's easier to see it as a good idea and easy to do from the fans side!
  • rdt
    rdt Posts: 869
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    esafosfina wrote:
    OCDuPalais... you've got it in one mate!
    Done a little digging and I have just one question. Did you find gold at the end of the rainbow in Lyon? If so, just watched in on youtube and OCDu Palais has got it right about the last 750, where did you find that from?

    Just watched that - absolute class. Chapeau that man.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    WILL YOU ALL SHUT UP! I still cant work out how our pro is...
  • hstiles
    hstiles Posts: 414
    RichN95 wrote:
    hstiles wrote:
    It could work. Either you come clean, hand back 5-10% of your prize money to show you're sorry and be absolcved of your sins. Otherwise, if you;re found out at a later date, we'll really go to town on you.

    To what end though? You can't change the past. What happened happened. Hounding a retired rider who has nothing to do with the sport anymore and can't pay back the money since his restaurant went bust isn't going to help anyone. Those still in the sport will just deny and watch each others' backs. Then no-one will get found out at a later date.

    And who's going to pay for all this chasing and especially all the court cases? And are you going to believe everything everyone says or just the bits which fit into your preset ideas? Take Museeuw himself - he says he only doped in the last year or two of his career as he was getting? Is this true or false?

    People talk about 'truth and reconcilliation' but really they want 'gossip and retribution'.

    OK, in hindsight for me it's not about the money, but there has to be some sort of gesture, however token, to indicate that the rider has not gotten away completely scot free. The natural assumption sithat PEDs improve your performance, netting you more victories and a more lucrative career. If I was a totally clean pro rider, a truth and reconciliation process wouldn't change the fact that my earning potential as a professional sportsperson was significantly hampered by cheats.
  • skylla
    skylla Posts: 758
    dortmunder wrote:
    I'm all for wiping the slate clean as regards past mistakes, an amnesty seems to be the way forward. I guess it is a very brave step to take admitting you were part of that culture. Maybe it's easier to see it as a good idea and easy to do from the fans side!

    Ok, here's my 2p in regards to an amnesty/reconciliation/truth commission: I think they owe it to their fans to 'come clean', so to say. Especially when they are still involved in the sport. It's certainly a brave thing to do, but also an honest and honourable thing to do. We as fans have been had and should actually demand some sort of amnesty for our heroes!

    Price money and palmares do not have to be returned/annulled, unless one is in denial and there is overbearing evidence to the contrary.
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    dortmunder wrote:
    I'm all for wiping the slate clean as regards past mistakes, an amnesty seems to be the way forward. I guess it is a very brave step to take admitting you were part of that culture. Maybe it's easier to see it as a good idea and easy to do from the fans side!

    I think fans would be happier with honesty. I guess it's like the old adultery adage of it wasn't so much the cheating but the lies that really hurt.

    I don't like being taken for a mug and when someone, as in Museeuw for example, tries to convince you that performances such as PR 96 were legitimate I have no respect for him. Whereas a "yeah I did dope" would at least allow you to believe in them as a person if not a rider.

    I think we've reached a stage where it is actually being confirmed that a large amount of riders, races, performances, wins etc of the late 80's, 90's and 00's were doped. It would be nice now if all those guilty confessed so that those riders who did lose out in those periods by being clean get their moment in the sun by being recognised as such.
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  • skylla
    skylla Posts: 758
    PS: thanks for the thumbs up oenologist, but I'm sticking to wheat and hops for the time being.
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    WILL YOU ALL SHUT UP! I still cant work out how our pro is...

    FACEPALM: keep "pursuing" the answer you'll get it
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    WILL YOU ALL SHUT UP! I still cant work out how our pro is...

    FACEPALM: keep "pursuing" the answer you'll get it


    Ahhhhh - bugger!

    ta muchly
  • dortmunder
    dortmunder Posts: 101
    esafosfina wrote:
    I'm away for a week or so on the Tour Of Britain so might not have much of a chance to reply or play on BR... so, not being rude, just busy!

    Living in Haverhill, you were one of the people that inspired me to get into cycling all those years ago! Thank you!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    dortmunder wrote:
    esafosfina wrote:
    I'm away for a week or so on the Tour Of Britain so might not have much of a chance to reply or play on BR... so, not being rude, just busy!

    Living in Haverhill, you were one of the people that inspired me to get into cycling all those years ago! Thank you!

    Haverhill!

    Jeez.

    Guess you heard about the Sawston Village College fire?
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  • skylla
    skylla Posts: 758
    Rick Chasey wrote:

    Guess you heard about the Sawston Village College fire?

    housewives burning their '50 shades' collection?

    edit: sorry, thought i heard it was a library. Anything but.
  • dortmunder
    dortmunder Posts: 101
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    dortmunder wrote:
    esafosfina wrote:
    I'm away for a week or so on the Tour Of Britain so might not have much of a chance to reply or play on BR... so, not being rude, just busy!

    Living in Haverhill, you were one of the people that inspired me to get into cycling all those years ago! Thank you!

    Haverhill!

    Jeez.

    Guess you heard about the Sawston Village College fire?

    I did. I'm Bury St. Ed's now but SVC certainly made the local news
  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    Why did you move from Yorkshire - was it the trackies hatred of anything lumpy ?

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