L.A. Stripped
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Rick Chasey wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/judge-s ... trong-suit
Did you not see this? An impartial judge said that USADA had jurisdiction.
An American judge, deciding that an American government funded agency has jurisdiction. Well that settles it then. Even the american press are reporting that this isnt over.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/usada-strips-lance-armstrongs-titles-bans-him-from-cycling/2012/08/24/d6f7d382-ee04-11e1-afd6-f55f84bc0c41_story.html
I'd really love to know what this "overwhelming evidence" is that USADA claim to have - given that hundreds of drugs tests that worked perfectly well catching other cyclists were all negative! Testimony from convicted drugs cheats who are out to take the heat off their own cheating hardly comes over as proof to me!
So next step - CAS??0 -
Wirral_Paul wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:No they're not.
This is a factually incorrect post.
The USADA has an 8 year limit but brings charges for 1998 onwards. Thats 14 years by my maths, so how was it factually incorrect? USADA seem to make the rules up as they go along.
Anyway Rick - are you actually Travis Tygart in disguise?? Seems that you know for a fact that L.A. is guilty regardless of what the evidence that we dont know about says too!!! Why would L.A. fight charges brought by an agency that he doesnt recognise, given that the UCI also say USADA dont have authority? Seems to me that USADA are using L.A with their witch-hunt to justify themselves.
Whatever USADA say today - from what i've read this is far from over. Over to those now at the UCI (who said USADA have no jurisdiction) and the ASO.
PS anyone know what bribes the USADA give for those prepared to testify against L.A.? A 2 year Federal investigation got nowhere, and suddenly this kangaroo court manages to come up with a dozen "witnesses"? Really?? Hmmm
The whole thing stinks of corruption (and not by L.A.).
Fact - Larry took out a US race license and it is under their USADA authority he submits to anti-doping - they gathered evidence, (significantly based on the testimony of former and many of them loyal team-mates) to which Larry has declined to defend his case - perhaps he'd rather the evidence didn't become public?
Fact - A Federal judge in Texas has already dismissed Larry's counter-suite regarding USADA lack of jurisdiction, or are you conveniently ignoring this?
Fact - the previous Federal lawsuit was for fraud at USPS, not anti-doping. Fact - team mates who gave sworn testimony in front of that Grand Jury would risk perjuring themselves if they subsequently changed their stories. It is fear of prosecution not 'bribery' that compels them to tell the truth.
Fact - Sworn testimony from the team-mates e.g. Hincapie could be sufficient evidence to demonstrate systemic doping practise and therefore would be enough to impose charges back to 1998.
What part of this stinks of corruption? Or are you getting confused about the bit where Larry pays off the UCI to ignore positive tests or where the UCI commission the Vrijman report to "whitewash" the ASO discovery over the 99 Tour EPO positives in return for a significant donation from the rider himself?
You'd better come up with something better than this if you want to make an argument.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0 -
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. Cheers MD nice to read something similar as RC from someone else0
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good job he aint black-he'd be sitting in old sparky by now'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0
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Wirral_Paul wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/judge-s ... trong-suit
Did you not see this? An impartial judge said that USADA had jurisdiction.
An American judge, deciding that an American government funded agency has jurisdiction. Well that settles it then. Even the american press are reporting that this isnt over.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/usada-strips-lance-armstrongs-titles-bans-him-from-cycling/2012/08/24/d6f7d382-ee04-11e1-afd6-f55f84bc0c41_story.html
I'd really love to know what this "overwhelming evidence" is that USADA claim to have - given that hundreds of drugs tests that worked perfectly well catching other cyclists were all negative! Testimony from convicted drugs cheats who are out to take the heat off their own cheating hardly comes over as proof to me!
So next step - CAS??
What nationality would you have prefferred the judge to be?
And who would you like to fund the national anti-doping authority?
The evidence will come out soon enough.
He can indeed go to CAS. Unlikely to though. Why effectively plead 'guilty' and not go to Court with USADA and then go through effectively the same process with CAS?0 -
OK you win. Glad to see you're so happy that cycling is being dragged through the gutter without one single failed drugs test.
There's something so sick about how people cant wait to kick a top pro down. The owners of this site screwed up totally the other day by supporting that dumb insurance company backed campaign - leading me to cancel my subscription to Cycling+ (along with plenty of others) and I nearly left this site too. The glee shown here that L.A. has decided not to defend himself from the prosecution, judge, jury and executioner (ie USADA) has finished me off. What has this sport come to when so many are so happy to see it tarnished!!
Bye all0 -
It's a bit pathetic that you only see the pop culture side of it not the strong example to be set to a massive cheat lawyer and fraud.0
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Liar*0
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Wirral_Paul wrote:OK you win. Glad to see you're so happy that cycling is being dragged through the gutter without one single failed drugs test.
There's something so sick about how people cant wait to kick a top pro down. The owners of this site screwed up totally the other day by supporting that dumb insurance company backed campaign - leading me to cancel my subscription to Cycling+ (along with plenty of others) and I nearly left this site too. The glee shown here that L.A. has decided not to defend himself from the prosecution, judge, jury and executioner (ie USADA) has finished me off. What has this sport come to when so many are so happy to see it tarnished!!
Bye all
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Wirral_Paul wrote:OK you win. Glad to see you're so happy that cycling is being dragged through the gutter without one single failed drugs test.
There's something so sick about how people cant wait to kick a top pro down. The owners of this site screwed up totally the other day by supporting that dumb insurance company backed campaign - leading me to cancel my subscription to Cycling+ (along with plenty of others) and I nearly left this site too. The glee shown here that L.A. has decided not to defend himself from the prosecution, judge, jury and executioner (ie USADA) has finished me off. What has this sport come to when so many are so happy to see it tarnished!!
Bye all
Bye.0 -
Au revoir!Wirral_Paul wrote:
Bye allNone of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
Wirral_Paul wrote:OK you win. Glad to see you're so happy that cycling is being dragged through the gutter without one single failed drugs test.
There's something so sick about how people cant wait to kick a top pro down. The owners of this site screwed up totally the other day by supporting that dumb insurance company backed campaign - leading me to cancel my subscription to Cycling+ (along with plenty of others) and I nearly left this site too. The glee shown here that L.A. has decided not to defend himself from the prosecution, judge, jury and executioner (ie USADA) has finished me off. What has this sport come to when so many are so happy to see it tarnished!!
Bye all
Has Wirral_Paul flounced :?:0 -
He appears to have had some kind of breakdown.
That was some pathetic final post though. What a sap. You can just tell he wears a livestrong band on both arms. Perhaps he has a full back Lance tattoo and so has a lot to lose.0 -
ShutUpLegs wrote:Wirral_Paul wrote:OK you win. Glad to see you're so happy that cycling is being dragged through the gutter without one single failed drugs test.
There's something so sick about how people cant wait to kick a top pro down. The owners of this site screwed up totally the other day by supporting that dumb insurance company backed campaign - leading me to cancel my subscription to Cycling+ (along with plenty of others) and I nearly left this site too. The glee shown here that L.A. has decided not to defend himself from the prosecution, judge, jury and executioner (ie USADA) has finished me off. What has this sport come to when so many are so happy to see it tarnished!!
Bye all
Has Wirral_Paul flounced :?:
As opposed to actually left, I reckon yes. He'll be back.Tail end Charlie
The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.0 -
A fanboy has left the building with a delete account request
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If he is stripped, who will get the titles?
Ullrich? who has already been found/admitted guilt(y) and stripped of other titles.
Other riders of the time when doping was almost derigeur but because of their low finish positions may not have been tested in the race?
Armstrong was never found positive in testing which is surely stronger than word of mouth from someone that may or may not have an axe to grind.
Or maybe with my rose coloured glasses I so want to believe in L.A. and his general benefit to those outside of the sport.0 -
plowmar wrote:If he is stripped, who will get the titles?
Ullrich? who has already been found/admitted guilt(y) and stripped of other titles.
Other riders of the time when doping was almost derigeur but because of their low finish positions may not have been tested in the race?
Armstrong was never found positive in testing which is surely stronger than word of mouth from someone that may or may not have an axe to grind.
Or maybe with my rose coloured glasses I so want to believe in L.A. and his general benefit to those outside of the sport.
Unbelievable.0 -
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It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled0 -
If we don't trust the results of drug tests, why doing them?0
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Pep wrote:If we don't trust the results of drug tests, why doing them?
It's not about not trusting them, it is about understanding they aren't the only way to fight against doping, just a part of it. If I remember correctly the growth hormone or steroid Dwain Chambers was busted for wasn't even know by the authorities until a sample of it was sent to USADA by a coach. But by the logic of some on here he wasn't failing tests so he wasn't cheating? That's naive at best. Who knows, there may be something like there out there right now.0 -
Pep wrote:If we don't trust the results of drug tests, why doing them?
Just like pregnancy tests I guess - a negative result could turn out to be positive but it doesn't work the other way round
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The real important question I can't find an answer too is are they going to re-film that scene in Dodgeball?0
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So if there are 7 Tour de France titles kicking around with no-one to give them to, can I have them? Or at least one?
I've never failed a drugs test....! 0 -
I was reflecting on this the other day - I watch cycling for the 'bike racing', because it's unpredictable because of the courses, conditions and that each event has a unique history and atmosphere. Riders are merely temporary 'players' on this great tableau - it's the competition, man-on-man that make 'great' events, not watching a whole team destroy the competition by having the whole playing field tilted in their favour by knowingly doping with impunity. Leave-out the winners name from those 7 tours, it's immaterial now - but rest assured, team managers and riders in the future know that it's going to be very hard to keep such conspiracies secret. My big hope is that this leads to a discrediting of the UCI who were complicit in the whole fraud, particularly as they tried to usurpt ASO/RAI et al over TV rights at the time - as well as Larry and the Hog, we'll also see McQuaid and Verbruggen brought to task.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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Massive +1 to Monty. I think thins might be the point people are missing. Its an important and strong message to send out that if you can beat the system and pass the tests for whatever reason, they can dig up your chequered past if suddenly the tests are better or the evidence is clearer.
As for the whole witch hunt chat, I find it somewhat amusing. It IS a witch hunt to a certain extent. LA has constantly been dominating while up to the eyeballs (allegedly! Ha!) so he has made himself a witch. He came back as he is so arrogant he thought he would come and rub everyone's face in it that he can destroy you when he wants, at his leisure.0 -
Monty has raised a good point.
Where have the UCI been for the past 24 hours?
Conveniently ducking their heads in the sand.
If they don't publicly support the USADA, either UCI or USADA will be discredited, you would think.None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
verylonglegs wrote:The real important question I can't find an answer too is are they going to re-film that scene in Dodgeball?
This has been troubling me since the announcement as well ..
All the above is just advice .. you can do whatever the f*ck you wana do!
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The Northern Ireland Thread0 -
Dodge Duck Dip Dive Dodge
Sounds familiar that.0 -
I just want to know the truth. Hopefully the facts and the evidence will be presented reasonably soon. Such a shame that those who know little about cycling are starting to make connections with Wiggo, Cav, Froomey and the Olympic Cycling team... Disturbing to see Contador coming back from a 6 month "backdated" ban and whizzing off like he had never been away in the vuelta0
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He can shove those black socks where the sun don't shine as well0
