Vitamins/supplements?

kayo74

Hi Forum,

Just some info on what you guys/girls take on a daily basic as part of your daily diet intake?
I personally take a A-Z vitamin tablet and a Cod liver oil capsule is this sufficient?.

Regards.

amaferanga

Yes. Unless you have a crap diet.

t.m.h.n.e.t

How did you figure that vitamin intake was decifient?

karlth

kayo74 wrote:

Hi Forum,

Just some info on what you guys/girls take on a daily basic as part of your daily diet intake?
I personally take a A-Z vitamin tablet and a Cod liver oil capsule is this sufficient?.

Regards.

You don't need any unless you have a medical condition or a crap diet. Don't give the nutritionist quacks your money.

iampaulb

creatine.

baldwin471

Multivitamin, Nitric Oxide, Water retention pills and Creatine.

danowat

Creatine.

Complete waste of time for endurance sports (i.e. cycling)

baldwin471

danowat wrote:

Creatine.

Complete waste of time for endurance sports (i.e. cycling)

That's not entirely true. It is utilised in type 11b muscle fibres (Fast twitch) so can be a real help when cycling at high cadence or climbing a hill, where every extra bit of strength is helpful. Studies show up to 6% increase in energy when using creatine. Personally i don't use it for cycling, but for weightlifting.

danowat

Fine for weightlifting and sprinting, but not for endurance cycling, prove me wrong, point me to a scientific study that shows it improve's distance cycling performance.

iampaulb

baldwin471 wrote:

danowat wrote:

Creatine.

Complete waste of time for endurance sports (i.e. cycling)

That's not entirely true. It is utilised in type 11b muscle fibres (Fast twitch) so can be a real help when cycling at high cadence or climbing a hill, where every extra bit of strength is helpful. Studies show up to 6% increase in energy when using creatine. Personally i don't use it for cycling, but for weightlifting.

What he said...

Creatine if increased can hold more phosphate which means more phosphate can be leant to the energy cycle. which yes, means while yes mainly used for and mainly seen in use by weightlifting it does lend it self to any supplement or sport due to the way in which energy is used

t.m.h.n.e.t

baldwin471 wrote:

danowat wrote:

Creatine.

Complete waste of time for endurance sports (i.e. cycling)

That's not entirely true. It is utilised in type 11b muscle fibres (Fast twitch) so can be a real help when cycling at high cadence or climbing a hill, where every extra bit of strength is helpful. Studies show up to 6% increase in energy when using creatine. Personally i don't use it for cycling, but for weightlifting.

If only strength was a limiting factor when climbing hills eh?

baldwin471

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

baldwin471 wrote:

danowat wrote:

Creatine.

Complete waste of time for endurance sports (i.e. cycling)

That's not entirely true. It is utilised in type 11b muscle fibres (Fast twitch) so can be a real help when cycling at high cadence or climbing a hill, where every extra bit of strength is helpful. Studies show up to 6% increase in energy when using creatine. Personally i don't use it for cycling, but for weightlifting.

If only strength was a limiting factor when climbing hills eh?

Not a limiting factor, but a contributing factor. You can't get up a hill with no strength, no matter how aerobically fit you are.

t.m.h.n.e.t

If you have the strength to walk up the stairs in your house, you should already be more than capable of climbing a hill on a bike.

charlie_potatoes

Creatine, Green Tea and Manuka Honey

baldwin471

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

If you have the strength to walk up the stairs in your house, you should already be more than capable of climbing a hill on a bike.

So my 86 year old gran could climb a hill on a bike? She can walk up the stairs.

t.m.h.n.e.t

baldwin471 wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

If you have the strength to walk up the stairs in your house, you should already be more than capable of climbing a hill on a bike.

So my 86 year old gran could climb a hill on a bike? She can walk up the stairs.

You know her better than me.

baldwin471

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

baldwin471 wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

If you have the strength to walk up the stairs in your house, you should already be more than capable of climbing a hill on a bike.

So my 86 year old gran could climb a hill on a bike? She can walk up the stairs.

You know her better than me.

See, your point makes no sense.

t.m.h.n.e.t

baldwin471 wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

baldwin471 wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

If you have the strength to walk up the stairs in your house, you should already be more than capable of climbing a hill on a bike.

So my 86 year old gran could climb a hill on a bike? She can walk up the stairs.

You know her better than me.

See, your point makes no sense.

Neither does having strong legs via weightlifting and taking creatine to climb better.

Tom Dean

baldwin471 wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

baldwin471 wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

If you have the strength to walk up the stairs in your house, you should already be more than capable of climbing a hill on a bike.

So my 86 year old gran could climb a hill on a bike? She can walk up the stairs.

You know her better than me.

See, your point makes no sense.

It could be put better: if you have the strength to climb the stairs, you have all the strength you need for endurance cycling.

edit: If you eat a balanced diet, you do not need any supplements. That is what is meant by 'a balanced diet'.

iampaulb

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

baldwin471 wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

baldwin471 wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

If you have the strength to walk up the stairs in your house, you should already be more than capable of climbing a hill on a bike.

So my 86 year old gran could climb a hill on a bike? She can walk up the stairs.

You know her better than me.

See, your point makes no sense.

Neither does having strong legs via weightlifting and taking creatine to climb better.

its not that weightlifting will make you a better climber, its the fact that the body produces creatine already, taking creatine tops up the bodys supply, making you go for longer when the body is using

mystic.bertie

so cant protein shakes help with building the leg muscles faster and improve muscle recovery, with cycling ?

Tom Dean

I would consider protein shakes a convenience food rather than a supplement.

mystic.bertie

Tom Dean wrote:

I would consider protein shakes a convenience food rather than a supplement.

yeah true if your not eating a lot of protein in your diet.

simon_e

Tom Dean wrote:

If you eat a balanced diet, you do not need any supplements. That is what is meant by 'a balanced diet'.

But a lot of people don't want to do that.

They don't want to work for their goals either, they want to eat supplements and watch TV while fooling themselves they are getting fitter/faster/stronger because an advert said so.

♠ChumBucket♠

None! Just good old food. As natural & unprocessed as possible. Plenty of organic free range eggs from a local farm too.

simon_masterson

mystic.bertie wrote:

so cant protein shakes help with building the leg muscles faster and improve muscle recovery, with cycling ?

Yes, they can.

I use them after any ride that I deem long enough (anything intense for an hour or more, generally). When I've had a cycle commute long enough (last was 17 miles each way), I have used them daily. Nothing particularly specialised; just a simple mix of bulk ingredients from MyProtein: unflavoured whey protein, powdered oats and dextrose (and more recently maltodextrin as well; 50:50 with dextrose).

As a recovery drink, it works really well. Just a big hit of carbs and sugars to replenish muscle glycogen (I'll let the sports scientists explain the particulars!) and repair muscle. I haven't measured muscle growth or anything like that, but the immediate effect on my wellbeing is undeniable.

monkeydan

Fish oil and protein for me. Whey protein is about as cheap a source of protein as you can find when you buy in bulk, and I can't (be bothered to) eat enough oily fish to get the dosage of n-3 fatty acids I take.

Tom Dean

monkeydan wrote:

Fish oil and protein for me.

If only there were some natural product containing these nutrients... :P

nwmlarge

to add to the creatine points a friend of mine was taking creatine supplements and going to the gym, unfortunately he was only doing cardio whilst there
consequently he eventually fainted and when checked out by the docs was found to have an almost beyond believeable level of creatine in his blood stream. he was taking the normal doseage nothing crazy high.

i would be inclined to not use any supplements and rely more on your body getting used to it.
realistically if all of a sudden the supplement was not available what a tool you would feel not being able to ride to as high a standard.

i can see a place for supplements in a pro athlete's diet but not at leisure/semi pro level.

train harder

Headhuunter

Supplements and dietary modifications certainly have a place in addressing certain illnesses or problems or improving certain aspects of fitness. I have borderline high blood pressure and I take co enzyme q10, garlic oil and taurine to try to address this. I also eat a lot of celery and drink hibiscus tea which have compounds in them which lower BP. Beetroot juice can improve ability in endurance exercise and has also been shown to help with high blood pressure because of its high nitric oxide content (or something like that!). If you haven't got time to eat specific foods in high quantities to address imbalances it's perfectly fine to use supplements! In fact personally I would consider food supplements to be preferable to some kind of chemical prescription medication, as long as the supplements work...

ivanoile

What protein powder is very good for before training and after training use(recovery)?I'm looking at internet,there is from SiS or ZipVit,but ratio weight/price is not the best one.