Contador On CyclingTips

LeicesterLad
LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
edited August 2012 in Pro race
Whichever side of the fence you sit on (is it only me and Frenchie on the fans side?) , this is a really good opinion piece on the return of Alberto Contador to racing. Though i'm clearly a fan of Bertie, I mostly agree with all thats said here:

http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2012/08/contador-is-back-but-what-is-it-worth/
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  • JustinLeeAtkinson
    JustinLeeAtkinson Posts: 335
    I'm a Bertie fan too. I am also a Froomedog fan. I love their attacking style/ability in the mountains, and I really hope we see them pit their wits against each other in la vuelta.

    Bertie has done his time for what was a relatively minor indiscretion (IMHO) involving no dishonesty. Lets just enjoy what will hopefully be a cracking vuelta.
  • Daz555
    Daz555 Posts: 3,976
    JustinLeeAtkinson wrote:
    I'm a Bertie fan too. I am also a Froomedog fan. I love their attacking style/ability in the mountains, and I really hope we see them pit their wits against each other in la vuelta.

    Bertie has done his time for what was a relatively minor indiscretion (IMHO) involving no dishonesty. Lets just enjoy what will hopefully be a cracking vuelta.
    Hopefully cheating twat Bertie will get a kicking. Not too confident of that cheery outcome however.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    He'll smash the Vuelta and win the Tour with two fingers in his nose.
    _
  • jonginge
    jonginge Posts: 5,945
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    He'll smash the Vuelta and win the Tour with two fingers in his nose.
    Froome tried something similar. Didn't quite work ;)

    https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/ ... 9331483648
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    JonGinge wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    He'll smash the Vuelta and win the Tour with two fingers in his nose.
    Froome tried something similar. Didn't quite work ;)

    https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/ ... 9331483648


    Ha, I remember that.

    The Dutch mocked, hard.
    _
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Will have a read later.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    JustinLeeAtkinson wrote:
    Bertie has done his time for what was a relatively minor indiscretion (IMHO) involving no dishonesty.
    Yep, I'm sure he'll have learned his lesson and will steer clear of the beef, boil-in-the-bag meals eaten with the plastic still on, and common initials that might easily get written on blood bags - because those things might somehow have caused some really bitter cynics to begin to consider the teeny-weeny possibility that he has been involved in serial indiscretions that do involve serious dishonesty, and that would be a shame, wouldn't it?
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    Bertie is on borrowed time in any event ... Under investigation or not his name will come up in the USADA and he'll not be able to walk away from that one ...
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Crankbrother wrote:
    Bertie is on borrowed time in any event ... Under investigation or not his name will come up in the USADA and he'll not be able to walk away from that one ...
    I very much doubt that. If USADA had anything concrete on Contador they'd have charged him.
  • derbygrimpeur
    derbygrimpeur Posts: 822
    JustinLeeAtkinson wrote:
    Bertie has done his time for what was a relatively minor indiscretion (IMHO) involving no dishonesty.
    :lol: hahaha
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    For the posters who only care about doping, sorry to let you know, but Contador is back racing and in superb form. He even held/beat Belgiums up the Muur.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:
    Bertie is on borrowed time in any event ... Under investigation or not his name will come up in the USADA and he'll not be able to walk away from that one ...
    I very much doubt that. If USADA had anything concrete on Contador they'd have charged him.

    They don't really have anything concrete on Lance & Co other than testimony so what makes you think that if Bruyneel,etc is going down he's not gonna take a few with him ...
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    Crankbrother wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:
    Bertie is on borrowed time in any event ... Under investigation or not his name will come up in the USADA and he'll not be able to walk away from that one ...
    I very much doubt that. If USADA had anything concrete on Contador they'd have charged him.

    They don't really have anything concrete on Lance & Co other than testimony so what makes you think that if Bruyneel,etc is going down he's not gonna take a few with him ...

    That would mean Bruyneel admitting guilt. He is mostly to say "I don't know if the riders doped, it wasn't my responsibility to check, I certainly didn't organise it etc"
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    bompington wrote:
    JustinLeeAtkinson wrote:
    Bertie has done his time for what was a relatively minor indiscretion (IMHO) involving no dishonesty.
    Yep, I'm sure he'll have learned his lesson and will steer clear of the beef, boil-in-the-bag meals eaten with the plastic still on, and common initials that might easily get written on blood bags - because those things might somehow have caused some really bitter cynics to begin to consider the teeny-weeny possibility that he has been involved in serial indiscretions that do involve serious dishonesty, and that would be a shame, wouldn't it?

    Maybe he won't buy steaks from farmers who have strong family connections to clen use in cattle. There were many factors in the case at CAS, all were considered and CAS reached its conclusion. Some things were considered unreliable evidence (Bertie's past associations, the farmer's relative's previous convictions, a test for plasticizers that doesn't work) etc.

    In this case, I'm all for simply moving on.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Daz555 wrote:
    JustinLeeAtkinson wrote:
    I'm a Bertie fan too. I am also a Froomedog fan. I love their attacking style/ability in the mountains, and I really hope we see them pit their wits against each other in la vuelta.

    Bertie has done his time for what was a relatively minor indiscretion (IMHO) involving no dishonesty. Lets just enjoy what will hopefully be a cracking vuelta.
    Hopefully cheating fool Bertie will get a kicking. Not too confident of that cheery outcome however.

    I don't think he will. And thank f'uck for his returnment. Cycling has been at a pathethic level entertainment wise since his ban.
  • sonny73
    sonny73 Posts: 2,203
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    Whichever side of the fence you sit on (is it only me and Frenchie on the fans side?) , this is a really good opinion piece on the return of Alberto Contador to racing. Though i'm clearly a fan of Bertie, I mostly agree with all thats said here:

    http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2012/08/contador-is-back-but-what-is-it-worth/
    I'm on the fan side too, obviously like some other riders in the past he will always divide opinion, but I for one am happy as to see him back where he belongs and look forward to seeing him tear it up again.
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    frenchfighter wrote:
    For the posters who only care about doping, sorry to let you know, but Contador is back racing and in superb form. He even held/beat Belgiums up the Muur.
    If they only care about Bertie's doping why would this be relevant to them? Don't you think that if he's maintained his form from when he was found to be a doper, it's likely he's still doping, so all you've really done is fuel the fire.
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    Whichever side of the fence you sit on (is it only me and Frenchie on the fans side?) , this is a really good opinion piece on the return of Alberto Contador to racing. Though i'm clearly a fan of Bertie, I mostly agree with all thats said here:
    http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2012/08/contador-is-back-but-what-is-it-worth/

    Very interesting piece, a good read.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    dougzz wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    For the posters who only care about doping, sorry to let you know, but Contador is back racing and in superb form. He even held/beat Belgiums up the Muur.
    If they only care about Bertie's doping why would this be relevant to them? Don't you think that if he's maintained his form from when he was found to be a doper, it's likely he's still doping, so all you've really done is fuel the fire.

    But he wasnt doping before and clen has no impact on performance eh. That is the last I will say on the matter.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    That's quite a good article, thanks.
    "I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    So just read the article.

    One thing for sure is that sceptics and Contador haters should take note when: he has huge amount of fans even now, the riders like him, the DS's like him, his teammates love him, the race organisers want him and the photographers commend him and love shooting him.

    And re the Giro11 and Tour10, you all know he won them clean as a whistle, and more importantly, so do the riders.

    The writer fails to mention how he went in Eneco. With no racing in his legs he did a superb TT and was dancing up the Muur with ease as well as having his attacking legs on and turning the screw from 50km out. Standard heavyweight.

    Also, fyi, that guy has a website. Been following for a while and it has some decent posts on it: http://le-grimpeur.net/
    Contador is the Greatest
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    frenchfighter wrote:
    So just read the article.

    One thing for sure is that sceptics and Contador haters should take note when: he has huge amount of fans even now, the riders like him, the DS's like him, his teammates love him, the race organisers want him and the photographers commend him and love shooting him.

    And re the Giro11 and Tour10, you all know he won them clean as a whistle, and more importantly, so do the riders.

    The writer fails to mention how he went in Eneco. With no racing in his legs he did a superb TT and was dancing up the Muur with ease as well as having his attacking legs on and turning the screw from 50km out. Standard heavyweight.

    Also, fyi, that guy has a website. Been following for a while and it has some decent posts on it: http://le-grimpeur.net/

    There is a big difference between the "Sceptics" and the "haters". I'm one of the former, but not one of the latter.

    I think that article clearly shows that theres not a right or a wrong viewpoint. I welcome back the best climber in the world and the excitement that he brings, but I'll never forget the way that he and the governing bodies made a joke out of the sport for nearly two years until he got banned.
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  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    frenchfighter wrote:
    But he wasnt doping before and clen has no impact on performance eh. That is the last I will say on the matter.
    Clen is banned because it has a dramatic effect on performance, allowing both weight loss and muscle build. As to whether Bertie was using, CAS felt yes, and that's the opinion that really mattered.
  • jerry3571
    jerry3571 Posts: 1,532
    edited August 2012
    "If you get caught you fail two tests, a drugs test and an IQ test."

    I guess that means at least AC maybe proven for testing positive for being dumb.

    Come on kids. Too much water under the bridge. Only question is whether he's being a good boy or whether he's back on the hard stuff again. As with Valverde, Basso, Vino et al is, maybe sometimes on the hard stuff. Winning big will look like AC is taking the p1ss.

    -Jerry
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    He is a VERY talented cyclist. But he's also been equal parts a total dimwit and a doper. I'd be amazed if his career doesn't end without further official doping allegations and cases that shed real light on him.
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    mfin wrote:
    He is a VERY talented cyclist. But he's also been equal parts a total dimwit and a doper. I'd be amazed if his career doesn't end without further official doping allegations and cases that shed real light on him.
    Why do you say this "VERY talented"?
    Surely he's just a super responder to an EPO/HGH/Blood regime of some sort. I know its all been done before but I really don't get this view. I understand how exciting it is to watch Bertie attack in the mountains, that phenomenal burst of acceleration and then sustaining it to the summit, he is a very very exciting cyclist to watch. But I don't understand how anyone can really imagine this is talent, we'll never be able to judge his real talent unless we can be sure it's not just good 'doctors'.
  • Daz555
    Daz555 Posts: 3,976
    I'd rather not have any of his drug powered excitement. I wish on him nowt but mediocrity.
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    dougzz wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    He is a VERY talented cyclist. But he's also been equal parts a total dimwit and a doper. I'd be amazed if his career doesn't end without further official doping allegations and cases that shed real light on him.
    Why do you say this "VERY talented"?

    Only in that I accept he's good at pedalling a bike, that's only decent thing I can say about him! Everything else about him I said is the overwhelming part to me. I think he'll get his proper comeuppance one day (for past doping, plus for what he will be/is doing).
  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    frenchfighter wrote:
    One thing for sure is that sceptics and Contador haters should take note when: he has huge amount of fans even now, the riders like him, the DS's like him, his teammates love him, the race organisers want him and the photographers commend him and love shooting him.

    Lots of people like him, therefore no one should dislike him? An interesting stance, I'll grant you that :?
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Thank god he's back, with vino retiring again it was all looking abit anal and controlled. I like his attacking and almost fragile style at times.

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