Cyclist sets off speed camera video

yippy46
yippy46 Posts: 3
edited August 2012 in Road general
Cyclists sets off speed camera

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qacLW2NSmi0
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  • I can't believe that anyone is really stupid enough to post video evidance of themselves committing a criminal offence.
    You do realise that the police can prosecute on that evidance? :roll:
  • t.m.h.n.e.t
    t.m.h.n.e.t Posts: 2,265
    They could prosecute if breaking the speed limit on a bicycle was against the law.. There is no such law.
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    No but they could go down the route of furious cycling. Thing is, without stopping you to establish a name and address, how are they going to prosecute you? I think there are far more important things to be doing than trying to prosecute the odd cyclist that manages to set off a speed camera while cycling on the road.
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  • declan1
    declan1 Posts: 2,470
    My dad's friend got done for speeding on his bike a long time ago....

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    I have no idea what's going on here.
  • Secteur
    Secteur Posts: 1,971
    The most awesome thing is that there's an offence called "Furious Cycling"
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    yippy46 wrote:
    Cyclists sets off speed camera

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qacLW2NSmi0

    Nowhere near as impressive as the roller blader who set off a speed camera ... !!

    40mph on a road bike - yer, that's not that hard - heck I can do that (for a short time!) ...
    40mph on roller blades ... er ... are you nuts?!
  • Guanajuato
    Guanajuato Posts: 399
    I got a telling off in my teenage years after overtaking a police car in a 40 limit. More for my own safety I guess - car drivers do tend to get a bit confused when you overtake and they're not in traffic. :mrgreen:
  • Nice video but like another person said setting off a 40mph on a pair of roller blades is INSANE!..

    by the way they cannot do anything to you, as your not classed as motor vehicle, good times.
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  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    but like another person said
    I have a NAME ... Blimey - can't you remember my username?! It's not difficult .. ;)
  • I always set off a 30mph speed camera on my daily commute coming back down the hill.
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    I always set off a 30mph speed camera on my daily commute coming back down the hill.
    Have you written to them to see if they've got any good shots?
  • nickellis
    nickellis Posts: 239
    I've got a feeling that although speeding on a bicycle is not an offence (Road Traffic Act 1988). A rider could be prosecuted under either:

    Chapter 52, Part 1

    [F128 Dangerous cycling.
    (1)A person who rides a cycle on a road dangerously is guilty of an offence.
    (2)For the purposes of subsection (1) above a person is to be regarded as riding dangerously if (and only if)—
    (a)the way he rides falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful cyclist, and
    (b)it would be obvious to a competent and careful cyclist that riding in that way would be dangerous.
    (3)In subsection (2) above “dangerous” refers to danger either of injury to any person or of serious damage to property; and in determining for the purposes of that subsection what would be obvious to a competent and careful cyclist in a particular case, regard shall be had not only to the circumstances of which he could be expected to be aware but also to any circumstances shown to have been within the knowledge of the accused.]

    Or

    Careless, and inconsiderate, cycling.

    If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.

    Although I doubt any police officer could be bothered with the paperwork required, and would probably just give the rider a severe b0llocking
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  • essjaydee
    essjaydee Posts: 917
    From the CPS Policy for prosecuting cases of bad driving http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/pbd_policy.html#header
    Wanton and furious driving
    Wanton and furious driving is an old offence - predating the invention of the internal combustion engine - contained in Section 35 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861. The prosecution must prove that the defendant drove dangerously (careless driving is insufficient) and caused some injury to another person.
    The offence is not limited to a road or other public place and is therefore useful for prosecuting cases where the bad driving occurred off-road.
    The offence can be tried either in the magistrates' court or in the Crown Court. At the Crown Court it carries a maximum sentence of 2 years' imprisonment.
    Penalty points and discretionary disqualification are now available to courts
  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    May be the OP just wants his vid to be a youtube hit...
  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    Who cares if its a criminal offence?

    the guy was doing it downhill.... we should all be slagging him off for not doing it on the flat.


    (as well as not wearing proper clothes and having a peak on his helmet)
  • Headhuunter
    Headhuunter Posts: 6,494
    Can't watch the vid at work as Youtube is blocked but 40mph downhill is hardly that impressive, I hit about 40 on downhill sections of just about every club run I do, so do the rest of the club.... Max speed recorded on my run last Sun was 45mph. If it was on the flat, now that would be impressive...
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  • Headhuunter
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    philthy3 wrote:
    No but they could go down the route of furious cycling. Thing is, without stopping you to establish a name and address, how are they going to prosecute you? I think there are far more important things to be doing than trying to prosecute the odd cyclist that manages to set off a speed camera while cycling on the road.

    Exactly, if they have time to follow up a random unnamed vid on Youtube of some guy "cycling furiously" I would want to know why they don't spend more time following up on accidents between cyclists and cars....
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  • How are you supposed to know what speed you are doing without a decent GPS system or similar? As in, how could they prosecute you if there's no legal requirement to have a working speedo on your bike?
  • karlth
    karlth Posts: 156
    How are you supposed to know what speed you are doing without a decent GPS system or similar? As in, how could they prosecute you if there's no legal requirement to have a working speedo on your bike?

    You don't need to know how fast you were going to be guilty of furious cycling. You only need to know that you were cycling like an idiot.
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    karlth wrote:
    You only need to know that you were cycling like an idiot.
    Bit subjective isn't it ?
    How is "cycling like an idiot" defined ...
  • karlth
    karlth Posts: 156
    Slowbike wrote:
    karlth wrote:
    You only need to know that you were cycling like an idiot.
    Bit subjective isn't it ?
    How is "cycling like an idiot" defined ...

    However the legislation defines it. Yes, it's subjective. So are "driving without due care" and "dangerous driving".
  • nickellis
    nickellis Posts: 239
    Who cares if its a criminal offence?

    the guy was doing it downhill.... we should all be slagging him off for not doing it on the flat.


    (as well as not wearing proper clothes and having a peak on his helmet)

    I did think it quite strange that he leaned against the wall clipped both feet in then pushed off. Could he not set off with one foot then clip in???
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  • Headhuunter
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    How are you supposed to know what speed you are doing without a decent GPS system or similar? As in, how could they prosecute you if there's no legal requirement to have a working speedo on your bike?
    I suppose in theory they could invoke the 'ignorance is no Defence' thing....it's up to the individual to make sure they know they aren't breaking the law by whatever means necessary, ie having a speedo of some kind
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  • karlth
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    How are you supposed to know what speed you are doing without a decent GPS system or similar? As in, how could they prosecute you if there's no legal requirement to have a working speedo on your bike?
    I suppose in theory they could invoke the 'ignorance is no Defence' thing....it's up to the individual to make sure they know they aren't breaking the law by whatever means necessary, ie having a speedo of some kind

    Except that absolute speed is not the essence of the offence. It is the essence of the offence of speeding itself, but there is no offence of speeding in a non motor vehicle.

    The essence of wanton or furious cycling is cycling too fast for the conditions, and one does not need a speedo to know whether one is doing that. Or shouldn't.
  • smashed
    smashed Posts: 100
    ShutUpLegs wrote:
    May be the OP just wants his vid to be a youtube hit...
    correct
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    On the subject of going fast on inline skates, I have participated in a few inline speed skate marathons - a sport that's fairly popular in Europe. The "daddy" of European events was the Inline 111 in Switzerland, which as it's name suggests was actually 117km and in bike sportive terms would be classed as "rolling" - on some of the longer downhill sections you could easily exceed 60kph, particularly as you have no real means of controlling speeds and sudden stopping usually results in loss of big chunks of skin. They nail carpet to the road on some of the downhill sections to make it easier to scrub-off speed whereas in the paceline, you simply hunker-down into a crouch and hang onto the guy in front - it's akin to downhill skiing, bordering on the edge of being in control without the snow...
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  • yippy46
    yippy46 Posts: 3
    nickellis wrote:
    Who cares if its a criminal offence?

    the guy was doing it downhill.... we should all be slagging him off for not doing it on the flat.


    (as well as not wearing proper clothes and having a peak on his helmet)

    I did think it quite strange that he leaned against the wall clipped both feet in then pushed off. Could he not set off with one foot then clip in???

    I think he leaned against the post to clip in so he doesn't have to find the pedal and clip in midway through the pedal stroke. Maybe for convenience.
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,041
    Slowbike wrote:
    yippy46 wrote:
    Cyclists sets off speed camera

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qacLW2NSmi0

    Nowhere near as impressive as the roller blader who set off a speed camera ... !!

    40mph on roller blades ... er ... are you nuts?!

    We used to set off a traffic light camera on blades, ok that's nothing special but the road was Boulevard St Michel from the Parthenon in Paris to the Seine. The road had about 5 sets of lights from the top of the hill to the Seine which were synchronized around 50 kph/. You'd wait for the top one to go green then hoon it down to the Seine but if you dropped below 50kp/h you'd set off the speed camera on the second last lights and know that you couldn't make the last crossroads without getting run over.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,248
    Oh come on, on the way back from the peak district we used to do it all the times... There is a speed camera slightly downhill around Disley, or after, can't remember... And we were in our thirties, not teen agers

    He is a good guy and pretty fast too... Remember he could be hanging out with knives, but no' he prefers to set off speed cameras on a bike...

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  • diy
    diy Posts: 6,473
    The definition of wanton and furious riding has already been posted. It requires injury not simply intent or speed. S35 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 (as amended by the Criminal Justice Act 1948.
    There is an old offence of furious cycling - riding too fast. Under town police clauses act 1847. The others road traffic offenders act etc. are fine only offences.

    But the two offences of wanton and furious cycling and furious cycling are not the same and not even in the same law.