Kimmage, anyone?

iainf72

Not sure if it's been posted elsewhere

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... mmage.html

rick_chasey

DM's even trolling the cycling world now.

ShavenLegs

You can always rely on Kimmage to drag even the most positive cycling story down into one about doping.

iainf72

The one thing that's disappointing me with Kimmage et al is how no one seems to have doing the Pippo -> Ferrari -> Rogers thing yet.

Gazzaputt

Kimmage = Sad bitter man.

ddraver

meh, like reading a Biking Bernie/The Yorkshire Man Post...

avoidingmyphd

ShavenLegs wrote:

You can always rely on Kimmage to drag even the most positive cycling story down into one about doping.

He has usually been right. And often (e.g. the cancer exchange) by saying stuff that lots of people around him know, but only he is prepared to pursue.

Here, though, his key point seems to be that Wiggins needs to explain his team's doctor selection policy. Hmm.

rick_chasey

ddraver wrote:

meh, like reading a Biking Bernie/The Yorkshire Man Post...

Really?

Tl;dr for most of his posts TBH.

ddraver

If I say they re definitely the same person, have I dobbed one of them in to a mod?

rick_chasey

ddraver wrote:

If I say they re definitely the same person, have I dobbed one of them in to a mod?

Mod may be stupid.

Mod is not that stupid however.

Dorset_Boy

As one responder says, it's a shame Kimmage twists the truth to suit a good headline, and ignores publically stated reasons for the change in tack over medical staff. He does his credibility damage by that.

iainf72

via @raceradio

Problem w/ Leinders is he left Rabo in anger because he disagreed with new, clean, direction. Doesn't sound like a guy who embraces change

rick_chasey

iainf72 wrote:

via @raceradio

Problem w/ Leinders is he left Rabo in anger because he disagreed with new, clean, direction. Doesn't sound like a guy who embraces change

I can't take raceradio seriously.

I ceebs to filter out the 90% of bull he says.

inkyfingers

Rick, are you typing with boxing gloves on?

rick_chasey

inkyfingers wrote:

Rick, are you typing with boxing gloves on?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ceebs


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... fid=284234

iainf72

Rick Chasey wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

via @raceradio

Problem w/ Leinders is he left Rabo in anger because he disagreed with new, clean, direction. Doesn't sound like a guy who embraces change

I can't take raceradio seriously.

I ceebs to filter out the 90% of bull he says.

He's amazingly accurate. Knew Bruyneel was nabbed at the airport before anyone else, knew the USADA thing was coming.

He's pretty well connected inside cycling.

inkyfingers

Jesus, did I stray onto a 13 years olds Facebook page.

So what does this mean (and not the TBH bit, smart @rse)?

Rick Chasey wrote:

Tl;dr for most of his posts TBH.

rick_chasey

iainf72 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

via @raceradio

Problem w/ Leinders is he left Rabo in anger because he disagreed with new, clean, direction. Doesn't sound like a guy who embraces change

I can't take raceradio seriously.

I ceebs to filter out the 90% of bull he says.

He's amazingly accurate. Knew Bruyneel was nabbed at the airport before anyone else, knew the USADA thing was coming.

He's pretty well connected inside cycling.

A lot of stuff he says never happens though.

It's not quite a broken clock but pfft.

rick_chasey

inkyfingers wrote:

Jesus, did I stray onto a 13 years olds Facebook page.

So what does this mean (and not the TBH bit, smart @rse)?

Rick Chasey wrote:

Tl;dr for most of his posts TBH.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tl%3Bdr

inkyfingers

Rick Chasey wrote:

inkyfingers wrote:

Jesus, did I stray onto a 13 years olds Facebook page.

So what does this mean (and not the TBH bit, smart @rse)?

Rick Chasey wrote:

Tl;dr for most of his posts TBH.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tl%3Bdr

Rick, you are wasted here. You should be off commenting on youtube videos.

rick_chasey

inkyfingers wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

inkyfingers wrote:

Jesus, did I stray onto a 13 years olds Facebook page.

So what does this mean (and not the TBH bit, smart @rse)?

Rick Chasey wrote:

Tl;dr for most of his posts TBH.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tl%3Bdr

Rick, you are wasted here. You should be off commenting on youtube videos.

[american teenager voice with upward inflection at end of every sentence] Youtube comments are like soo totally a popularity contest. Like, you can like or unlike comments. That's so corporate and bad for the environment and poor people. I mean, what about people who are just ugly? [/american teenager voice with upward inflection at end of every sentence]]

mididoctors

they have to be clean

if sky doped it will come out and I dont think cycling or the tour will survive yet another false dawn scandal

dave_1

Paul Kimmage made some fairly persuasive argument recently that Wiggins completely rejects him now. The above article comes scarily close to sugggesting wiggo went native a bit. The science in sport guys have made some very good argument that Brad is clean or at least is quite slow compared to Lance and Contador. Wonder what Wiggo would have done in 1993 if he were 30 and could see he could win tdf? Who really won the 2009 TDF? Many questions. Also, Chris Boardman anyone? No congrats from Chris either!

rebs

Dave_1 wrote:

Also, Chris Boardman anyone? No congrats from Chris either!

are you trying to make something out of 1 peron not tweeting about another person?:P

greasedscotsman

mididoctors wrote:

they have to be clean

if sky doped it will come out and I dont think cycling or the tour will survive yet another false dawn scandal

You could say the same thing about US Postal after Festina scandal.

mididoctors

rebs wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

Also, Chris Boardman anyone? No congrats from Chris either!

are you trying to make something out of 1 peron not tweeting about another person?:P

chris is totally behind brad

mididoctors

greasedscotsman wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

they have to be clean

if sky doped it will come out and I dont think cycling or the tour will survive yet another false dawn scandal

You could say the same thing about US Postal after Festina scandal.

there has only been one false dawn....

andrewjoseph

Kimmage is only asking for what Sky promised: transparency and answers. He is not accusing anyone at Sky, just stating how things look. All sky have to do is clarify things.

I think the team is clean, but there are some niggling questions.

greasedscotsman

mididoctors wrote:

greasedscotsman wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

they have to be clean

if sky doped it will come out and I dont think cycling or the tour will survive yet another false dawn scandal

You could say the same thing about US Postal after Festina scandal.

there has only been one false dawn....

Wasn't the Tour in 1968 called the Tour de Health, after Tom Simpson death the previous year? I think there have been quite a few false dawns.

esspeebee

andrewjoseph wrote:

Kimmage is only asking for what Sky promised: transparency and answers. He is not accusing anyone at Sky, just stating how things look. All sky have to do is clarify things.

He's demanding answers that have already been provided, which is usually the mark of someone who's just desperate for a story. Sky have already clarified why they changed that particular policy, of not hiring doctors that had worked in cycling before. It turns out that looking after athletes performing at the limit of their endurance for three weeks at a time in extreme heat is quite a specialised field, and it helps to have someone with actual experience of doing that.

Turfle

"until the rest day of the 2012 Tour when Brailsford admitted to The Times that Leinders had been employed by the team since 2010."

He didn't "admit" to anything. It was known long before then that Leinders was employed by them.

Very dishonest writing.