Core/Weight training & Bradley Wiggins

bahzob

Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:

bahzob wrote:

Returning to cycling and Wiggins. The core training referred to was nothing to do with recovery from his collar bone injury. It referred to the training done for this tour.

Wiggins also used to wear a Power Balance band.

Pretty sad Alex, not really worthy of you.

Earlier you questioned whether athletes in other endurance sports also did non specific training and I provided pretty convincing evidence that they do. I guess you now accept this?

(btw I saw this picture yesterday and thought about this thread, swimmers training by not swimming. Better tell them they are wasting their time.
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/7/25/1343212376757/Chinese-swimmers-perform--007.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.feedage.com/feeds/2455350/global-gallery-guardiancouk&h=480&w=749&sz=136&tbnid=TxXCjkJJzDQC5M:&tbnh=76&tbnw=119&zoom=1&usg=__jNvNVLhbGmXSEFjp_qnx64rKeRE=&docid=R2lRc1vCiULFmM&sa=X&ei=uFkSUPaMJOLB0QX4ioH4Aw&ved=0CEUQ9QEwAA&dur=369)


Coming back to the OP wrt to your comment above.

Shane Sutton is a coach who has a huge amount of respect and credibility. More I would suggest than anybody posting here.

He has specifically highlighted core training as an exemplar that illustrated a step change in Wiggins approach to training for this years tour. Wiggins endorsed this too. They were not trying to sell anything. They were doing this to inform and, I guess, with a sense of pride in demonstrating what it takes for a clean athlete to perform at the highest levels.

Question is who do you listen to? The rider and coach who have had unprecedented success at the top level of their sport. Or someone who seems more interested in making facile comments than anything else.

FWIW perhaps there is some relevance re Bradley and Power Balance bands. I guess if asked he would be big enough to admit he was wrong. Something else you could learn from him maybe?

keef66

People keep saying 'examplar'. is that a word? What does it mean?

Is it like Gavlar out of Gavin and Stacey?

Alex_Simmons/RST

bahzob wrote:

Earlier you questioned whether athletes in other endurance sports also did non specific training and I provided pretty convincing evidence that they do. I guess you now accept this?

No, I did not ask for evidence that athletes did non-specific training.

I asked for evidence that non-specific training in aerobic endurance sports was more beneficial for performance than specific training.

Alex_Simmons/RST

keef66 wrote:

People keep saying 'examplar'. is that a word? What does it mean?

It's an old mostly unused variant of the word exemplar, which is kind of a like a role model.

Alex_Simmons/RST

bahzob wrote:

Shane Sutton is a coach who has a huge amount of respect and credibility. More I would suggest than anybody posting here.

He has specifically highlighted core training as an exemplar that illustrated a step change in Wiggins approach to training for this years tour. Wiggins endorsed this too. They were not trying to sell anything. They were doing this to inform and, I guess, with a sense of pride in demonstrating what it takes for a clean athlete to perform at the highest levels.

Question is who do you listen to? The rider and coach who have had unprecedented success at the top level of their sport. Or someone who seems more interested in making facile comments than anything else.

OK, I give in. Core training is the killer app for a cyclist's performance because someone important said so publicly.

Cool, now all the people who are tired of emulating Lance's high cadence can move onto the next big training performance fad, core training.

This is, by the way, what's known as argument by authority. A statement carries more weight because of who says it, and not the validity of the evidence.

While my reference to the PBB's may be facile in your eyes, my point was more about the logical fallacy we are being presented with. They might really believe it (and I've no doubt they probably do), but that doesn't mean it's right.

NJK

bahzob wrote:

Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:

bahzob wrote:

Returning to cycling and Wiggins. The core training referred to was nothing to do with recovery from his collar bone injury. It referred to the training done for this tour.

Wiggins also used to wear a Power Balance band.

Pretty sad Alex, not really worthy of you.

Earlier you questioned whether athletes in other endurance sports also did non specific training and I provided pretty convincing evidence that they do. I guess you now accept this?

(btw I saw this picture yesterday and thought about this thread, swimmers training by not swimming. Better tell them they are wasting their time.
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/7/25/1343212376757/Chinese-swimmers-perform--007.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.feedage.com/feeds/2455350/global-gallery-guardiancouk&h=480&w=749&sz=136&tbnid=TxXCjkJJzDQC5M:&tbnh=76&tbnw=119&zoom=1&usg=__jNvNVLhbGmXSEFjp_qnx64rKeRE=&docid=R2lRc1vCiULFmM&sa=X&ei=uFkSUPaMJOLB0QX4ioH4Aw&ved=0CEUQ9QEwAA&dur=369)


Coming back to the OP wrt to your comment above.

Shane Sutton is a coach who has a huge amount of respect and credibility. More I would suggest than anybody posting here.

He has specifically highlighted core training as an exemplar that illustrated a step change in Wiggins approach to training for this years tour. Wiggins endorsed this too. They were not trying to sell anything. They were doing this to inform and, I guess, with a sense of pride in demonstrating what it takes for a clean athlete to perform at the highest levels.

Question is who do you listen to? The rider and coach who have had unprecedented success at the top level of their sport. Or someone who seems more interested in making facile comments than anything else.

FWIW perhaps there is some relevance re Bradley and Power Balance bands. I guess if asked he would be big enough to admit he was wrong. Something else you could learn from him maybe?

You really haven't got a clue about physiology, if you really think that the reason Bradley Wiggins won the TDF was because of adopting a strict and i mean strict core workouts, something on par with diving, swimming, tennis, gymnastics etc then i will win the prologue of the tour next year. You seemed to have the missed the key point of what Sutton said. Simply put... 1. He didn't believe Wiggins was putting in 100% last year. All this crap about core work for cycling are just sound bytes. I had back ache last week climbing the Tourmalet, possibly because i'm not used to climbing for 1-2hrs, i do lower back/trunk work when i can.

ShutUpLegs

NJK wrote:

I had back ache last week climbing the Tourmalet, possibly because i'm not used to climbing for 1-2hrs, i do lower back/trunk work when i can.

Cool story, bro

t.m.h.n.e.t

brb putting 10 powerbands on each arm before doing 1000 crunches.

I'll be a cert to win the tour next year.

dennisn

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

brb putting 10 powerbands on each arm before doing 1000 crunches.

I'll be a cert to win the tour next year.

Anyone crazy enough to do 1000 crunches deserves to win the tour. God I hate those
things. Then again my not so flat gut could use the work.

dennisn

"I like weights. You know where you stand with them.
Well, sometimes you're lying under them, trying not to let them crush
you, but you see, you KNOW they'd crush you if they could.
There's honesty."

T. Campbell & Gisele Lagace

dw300

dennisn wrote:

"I like weights. You know where you stand with them.
Well, sometimes you're lying under them, trying not to let them crush
you, but you see, you KNOW they'd crush you if they could.
There's honesty."

T. Campbell & Gisele Lagace

The iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you’re a god or a total bastard. The iron will always kick you the real deal. The iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends come and go, but 200 pounds is always 200 pounds. - Henry Rollins.

dennisn

dw300 wrote:

dennisn wrote:

"I like weights. You know where you stand with them.
Well, sometimes you're lying under them, trying not to let them crush
you, but you see, you KNOW they'd crush you if they could.
There's honesty."

T. Campbell & Gisele Lagace

The iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you’re a god or a total bastard. The iron will always kick you the real deal. The iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends come and go, but 200 pounds is always 200 pounds. - Henry Rollins.

Well put Henry.

mattshrops

dennisn wrote:

dw300 wrote:

dennisn wrote:

"I like weights. You know where you stand with them.
Well, sometimes you're lying under them, trying not to let them crush
you, but you see, you KNOW they'd crush you if they could.
There's honesty."

T. Campbell & Gisele Lagace

The iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you’re a god or a total bastard. The iron will always kick you the real deal. The iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends come and go, but 200 pounds is always 200 pounds. - Henry Rollins.

Well put Henry.

they're an inanimate lump of metal, not an imaginary friend-
err.. me.

dennisn

FWIW while watching Olympic rowing the comment was made that the Greek team was much improved over previous years due to their new coaches extensive use of weight training. Apparently he and his athletes don't know it's useless.

ric/rstsport

And? Last i checked this was a cycling forum, talking about cycling and not rowing.

dennisn

Ric/RSTSport wrote:

And? Last i checked this was a cycling forum, talking about cycling and not rowing.

Opps, sorry. I sort of forgot that, as a sport, cycling is special and obviously anything
that works for any other sport does not apply. How could it, it's cycling?

jgsi

Ok guys , I give in..you win . I know I'll never be competitive in my LVRC races at the age of 57 as I positively loathe anything to do with weights and just ride my bike.... not a convert therefore, just collateral damage.

dennisn

JGSI wrote:

..... at the age of 57 as I positively loathe anything to do with weights and just ride my bike.... not a convert therefore,...

No problem with that. Ya gotta like lifting and it ins't for everyone. There are actually people out there who don't like bike riding. I'm sort of like you. I just hate running and if they said it would improve my cycling I still wouldn't do it.