Sir Brad and/or Sir Dave

yourpaceormine

If Chris Froome's SO was asked then Brad would get an OBE.

Difference between MBE + OBE? MBE = my bl**dy effort, OBE = Other people's bl**dy effort

alwaystoohot

Yellow Peril wrote:

The honours system is something that is, I believe, perculiarly British.

Does the forum think that if Team Sky are successful in winning the yellow jersey at the Tour that Dave and/or Brad will be knighted? Or will it depend upon further success at the Olympics?

Brad's read thisthread and provided his own response: Great interview.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... iumph.html

simona75

Related to this. If he does win, will this be the greatest single sporting achievement by any Briton? I'm struggling to find anything that would match it........

alwaystoohot

Steve Redgrave's fifth gold moved me to tears. As a single event that has to be well up there, the culmination of 20 years of top level international competition.

dsoutar

derbygrimpeur wrote:

There's no point in us arguing the toss on this. You won't convince me that rowing is more painful than cycling and I won't convince you it's not. Rowing is painful, I'm not suggesting otherwise. And yes it might make the arms ache a little . But overall, I really can't see that it can be more painful than what some of the pro cyclists have to put up with. Most amateur cyclists probably don't experience that.

The fact that you have said it makes your arms ache a little shows your depth of ignorance of rowing as the technique is all about legs not arms.

Having had a personal trainer "beast" me on both a bike and a rowing maching, the pain the rowing machine inflicts was a factor greater than that of a bike. I did the Marmotte a few years ago and as I had only been cycling for 5 months prior and came from a very overweight and unfit staring point I took 12 hours - so I know pain when I see it.

Basically it's comparing apples and pears.

I think the closest we'll get is that rowing is more intense pain in a shorter period whereas cycling is less intense pain over a much greater duration.

jordan_217

simona75 wrote:

Related to this. If he does win, will this be the greatest single sporting achievement by any Briton? I'm struggling to find anything that would match it........

Google Chrissie Wellington.

derbygrimpeur

dsoutar wrote:

derbygrimpeur wrote:

There's no point in us arguing the toss on this. You won't convince me that rowing is more painful than cycling and I won't convince you it's not. Rowing is painful, I'm not suggesting otherwise. And yes it might make the arms ache a little . But overall, I really can't see that it can be more painful than what some of the pro cyclists have to put up with. Most amateur cyclists probably don't experience that.

The fact that you have said it makes your arms ache a little shows your depth of ignorance of rowing as the technique is all about legs not arms.

Having had a personal trainer "beast" me on both a bike and a rowing maching, the pain the rowing machine inflicts was a factor greater than that of a bike. I did the Marmotte a few years ago and as I had only been cycling for 5 months prior and came from a very overweight and unfit staring point I took 12 hours - so I know pain when I see it.

Basically it's comparing apples and pears.

I think the closest we'll get is that rowing is more intense pain in a shorter period whereas cycling is less intense pain over a much greater duration.

Notice the after my comment about it making the arms ache a little :roll: This is the internet, learn how to understand peoples comments.

shinyhelmut

jordan_217 wrote:

simona75 wrote:

Related to this. If he does win, will this be the greatest single sporting achievement by any Briton? I'm struggling to find anything that would match it........

Google Chrissie Wellington.

Or have you heard of Roger Bannister?

nweststeyn

jordan_217 wrote:

simona75 wrote:

Related to this. If he does win, will this be the greatest single sporting achievement by any Briton? I'm struggling to find anything that would match it........

Google Chrissie Wellington.

I just googled it... seems to take me to a page about some person who doesn't know what sport they want to compete in?

:roll:

Yellow Peril

nweststeyn wrote:

jordan_217 wrote:

simona75 wrote:

Related to this. If he does win, will this be the greatest single sporting achievement by any Briton? I'm struggling to find anything that would match it........

Google Chrissie Wellington.

I just googled it... seems to take me to a page about some person who doesn't know what sport they want to compete in? :roll:

RichN95.

nweststeyn wrote:

jordan_217 wrote:

simona75 wrote:

Related to this. If he does win, will this be the greatest single sporting achievement by any Briton? I'm struggling to find anything that would match it........

Google Chrissie Wellington.

I just googled it... seems to take me to a page about some person who doesn't know what sport they want to compete in?

:roll:

As a listener to Radio 5 once memorably said "Triathlon's not a sport, it's a hobby for ex-smokers"

Tom Butcher

jordan_217 wrote:

simona75 wrote:

Related to this. If he does win, will this be the greatest single sporting achievement by any Briton? I'm struggling to find anything that would match it........

Google Chrissie Wellington.

Get out. She's done amazingly well but come on - it's hardly the Tour de France is it.

pbt150

dsoutar wrote:

derbygrimpeur wrote:

There's no point in us arguing the toss on this. You won't convince me that rowing is more painful than cycling and I won't convince you it's not. Rowing is painful, I'm not suggesting otherwise. And yes it might make the arms ache a little . But overall, I really can't see that it can be more painful than what some of the pro cyclists have to put up with. Most amateur cyclists probably don't experience that.

The fact that you have said it makes your arms ache a little shows your depth of ignorance of rowing as the technique is all about legs not arms.

Having had a personal trainer "beast" me on both a bike and a rowing maching, the pain the rowing machine inflicts was a factor greater than that of a bike. I did the Marmotte a few years ago and as I had only been cycling for 5 months prior and came from a very overweight and unfit staring point I took 12 hours - so I know pain when I see it.

Basically it's comparing apples and pears.

I think the closest we'll get is that rowing is more intense pain in a shorter period whereas cycling is less intense pain over a much greater duration.

Physiologically rowing is very similar to the individual pursuit in cycling, as an idea of the intensity required.

Brad has taken years to adapt from being the best in the world at pursuiting to one of the best road racers, but I'm not sure that's saying road racing is harder necessarily, just different.

ocdupalais

simona75 wrote:

Related to this. If he does win, will this be the greatest single sporting achievement by any Briton?

Yes

Daz555

OCDuPalais wrote:

simona75 wrote:

Related to this. If he does win, will this be the greatest single sporting achievement by any Briton?

Yes

Will put Wiggins on the all time list along legends like Redgrave, Thompson, Coe etc - a very select list of British sporting greats.

To be honest Wiggins' Olympic golds already have him at the upper end already. Awesome athlete.

ocdupalais

Daz555 wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

simona75 wrote:

Related to this. If he does win, will this be the greatest single sporting achievement by any Briton?

Yes

Will put Wiggins on the all time list along legends like Redgrave, Thompson, Coe etc - a very select list, that's my point.

Nope.
He tops them all.

I'll stand toe-to-toe with anyone, with extreme prejudice and ignorance on my part, and argue on this.

Ron Stuart

The honors system should be abolished purely because of the scale of abuse that has gone on systematically since it's conception, it's not to say that some of the recipients don't deserve recognition for their endeavours but another vehicle should be found.

wallace_and_gromit

OCDuPalais wrote:

Daz555 wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

simona75 wrote:

Related to this. If he does win, will this be the greatest single sporting achievement by any Briton?

Yes

Will put Wiggins on the all time list along legends like Redgrave, Thompson, Coe etc - a very select list, that's my point.

Nope.
He tops them all.

I'll stand toe-to-toe with anyone, with extreme prejudice and ignorance on my part, and argue on this.

Interesting difference here between greatest single achievement and best career achievements.

In the former category you could throw in Paula Radcliffe's marathon record, Jonathan Edwards' 1995 triple jump performances and a few of Ian Botham's early heroics, even if their overall careers don't compare to the likes of Sir Steve.

FWIW, my contenders for best British sportsman that I can remember (ie mid 1970s onwards) are, in no particular order:

- Seb Coe
- Daley Thompson
- Sir Steve
- Sir Chris
- Lady Victoria
- Tony McCoy (not a big fan of horseracing, but he's been the best jump jockey for eons)
- Ben Ainslie
- Nick Faldo
- Wiggo

Slight question mark over Sir Chris and Lady Victoria, as track cycling is something of a poor relation to road cycling but their dominance for such long periods cannot be denied.

Wiggo and Seb Coe can then fight it out for Top Dog status if Wiggo does claim Yellow on Sunday, with Sir Steve on the third step of the podium.

In 5 years time, the answer will most likely by Al Brownlee or, as a complete wildcard, Becky Adlington.

rebs

If Wiggins gets the Yellow then medals in the TT. He'll surely go down be regarded as a legend. Pursuiter to Time Trialer to Stage Racer to Tour de France Champ in the modern day is something that'll be hard pushed to that happen again.

Mad_Malx

jim453 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Seems a bit much getting a sir.

Some recognition sure.

Certainly not until you get yours for services to moderation Richard. Keep up the good work.

How about Sir AFX? Services to PTP AND going to win the Tour (probably).

Jez mon

Wallace and Gromit wrote:

In 5 years time, the answer will most likely by Al Brownlee or, as a complete wildcard, Becky Adlington.

I would put Froome as my wildard...

ocdupalais

Mad_Malx wrote:

jim453 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Seems a bit much getting a sir.

Some recognition sure.

Certainly not until you get yours for services to moderation Richard. Keep up the good work.

How about Sir AFX? Services to PTP AND going to win the Tour (probably).

No one lIkes an @rse-licker*


*except maybe the @rse

Redhog14

garryc wrote:

I find the whole honors system a waste of time and even more so for sportsmen/women.

Simply put it's Chris Hoy's 'job' to try and win a bike race (or any other sportsperson etc). To give them an extra special award just for doing their job well seems daft, they'll get a trophy for winning as it is. I don't get medals for turning my work in on time, I also trained for years to do what I do, so what's the difference?

Medals should be for things above and beyond the 'call of duty' not for doing your job well.

Not really the same thing unless your work is competing against everyother (insert profession) in the world for unequivacable domination.

wallace_and_gromit

Jez mon wrote:

Wallace and Gromit wrote:

In 5 years time, the answer will most likely by Al Brownlee or, as a complete wildcard, Becky Adlington.

I would put Froome as my wildard...

My thinking on Froome is that he's already 27 and has done nothing that will elevate him into consideration yet, so doesn't really have long enough to generate a careerful of achievements to rival my list or Brownlee/Adlington who have already won a sackful of honours in their early 20s. Being a swimmer, Adlington may just get bored and retire, as following the black line for a career can't be much fun!

I guess a hatrick of Tour wins would do it for Froome which is possible before he's past it, though a major challenge, given he's the same age(ish) and Nibs, Schleck and Berto, with TJ, Pinot, Rolland etc. likely to develop further over the next few years.

Daz555

Wallace and Gromit wrote:

I guess a hatrick of Tour wins would do it for Froome which is possible before he's past it, though a major challenge, given he's the same age(ish) and Nibs, Schleck and Berto, with TJ, Pinot, Rolland etc. likely to develop further over the next few years.

..and he won't be leading Sky in the next tour either - well not unless Wiggins actually chooses not to defend (assuming he wins).