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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    iainf72 wrote:
    tremayne wrote:
    I personally see it more as Team GB than Team Sky.

    You see a team which is 66% not British as Team GB? Interesting.
    Only 3 out of 8 of the actual Team GB for last year's Worlds were born in the UK.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    RichN95 wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    tremayne wrote:
    I personally see it more as Team GB than Team Sky.

    You see a team which is 66% not British as Team GB? Interesting.
    Only 3 out of 8 of the actual Team GB for last year's Worlds were born in the UK.

    Aye. If I applied that to Sky only 1 of them was born in the UK.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    iainf72 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    tremayne wrote:
    I personally see it more as Team GB than Team Sky.

    You see a team which is 66% not British as Team GB? Interesting.
    Only 3 out of 8 of the actual Team GB for last year's Worlds were born in the UK.

    Aye. If I applied that to Sky only 1 of them was born in the UK.
    None of them surely. The Isle of Man isn't actually the UK.

    (Unless Christian Knees was born in Grimsby or something)
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Isle of Man is part of the UK - just happens to be as self governing part of the UK.... AFAIK.
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Isle of Man is part of the UK - just happens to be as self governing part of the UK.... AFAIK.

    Its part of the UK, but not part of Britain, so Cav isn't British, he's Manx, but he is a citizen of the UK.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Timoid. wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Isle of Man is part of the UK - just happens to be as self governing part of the UK.... AFAIK.

    Its part of the UK, but not part of Britain, so Cav isn't British, he's Manx, but he is a citizen of the UK.

    So they should really called it "Team UK" ?
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  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Isle of Man is part of the UK - just happens to be as self governing part of the UK.... AFAIK.

    Its part of the UK, but not part of Britain, so Cav isn't British, he's Manx, but he is a citizen of the UK.

    So they should really called it "Team UK" ?

    The leader is half-Australian, his new trainer is Australian, the sponsor is Australian... Are they GreenEdge in disguise?
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  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    Yeah, but Cadel's British, right?

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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    I know it hurts some purists but it's nonsense to critise people who support SKY because they see it as a Bristish team. A British rider has never won a Grand tour and until lately there was only a the odd rider who popped up here and there who did anything. I think it's entirely appropriate that people get behind SKY, doesn't mean thay can't enjoy the rest of the spectical. Feel free to be disappointed when Wiggins wins, or claim he's belgium or whatever.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    inseine wrote:
    I know it hurts some purists but it's nonsense to critise people who support SKY because they see it as a Bristish team. A British rider has never won a Grand tour and until lately there was only a the odd rider who popped up here and there who did anything. I think it's entirely appropriate that people get behind SKY, doesn't mean thay can't enjoy the rest of the spectical. Feel free to be disappointed when Wiggins wins, or claim he's belgium or whatever.

    Course theres nothing wrong with it, but claiming that Sky is "Team GB" when most of the riders aren't British seems a bit odd, no?

    Like all the big money squads, they're quite diverse and international. Which you could say mirrors society in the UK
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Crozza
    Crozza Posts: 991
    Timoid. wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Isle of Man is part of the UK - just happens to be as self governing part of the UK.... AFAIK.

    Its part of the UK, but not part of Britain, so Cav isn't British, he's Manx, but he is a citizen of the UK.

    Isle of Man is not part of the UK or GB, it's a Crown Dependency. The UK is responsible for things like its international relations (on delegated authority from the Crown) but it is self-governing otherwise.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Timoid. wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Isle of Man is part of the UK - just happens to be as self governing part of the UK.... AFAIK.

    Its part of the UK, but not part of Britain, so Cav isn't British, he's Manx, but he is a citizen of the UK.

    Does he have a different passport to us then as mine says I'm a British Citizen ;)
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Pross wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Isle of Man is part of the UK - just happens to be as self governing part of the UK.... AFAIK.

    Its part of the UK, but not part of Britain, so Cav isn't British, he's Manx, but he is a citizen of the UK.

    Does he have a different passport to us then as mine says I'm a British Citizen ;)


    Cav, or me? :P
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    inseine wrote:
    I know it hurts some purists but it's nonsense to critise people who support SKY because they see it as a Bristish team. A British rider has never won a Grand tour and until lately there was only a the odd rider who popped up here and there who did anything. I think it's entirely appropriate that people get behind SKY, doesn't mean thay can't enjoy the rest of the spectical. Feel free to be disappointed when Wiggins wins, or claim he's belgium or whatever.

    +1! Well said

    I think the TeamGB thing is a humerous dig at the link is all iain. hashtag Burn and all that!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Yeah. I guess the Belgians love their Belgies. The French love their Frenchies. The Italians love their I-talians. The Spanish love their Spaniards. The Dutch love their Dutchies.

    No one has a go at them for it.

    So I guess it is fair the British love their Brits.

    Personally I dont consider it when looking at a rider what so ever, only a little if they are from the US or AUS. I care more about the type of rider, their talent and their performances.
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  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Yeah. I guess the Belgians love their Belgies. The French love their Frenchies. The Italians love their I-talians. The Spanish love their Spaniards. The Dutch love their Dutchies.

    No one has a go at them for it.

    So I guess it is fair the British love their Brits.

    Personally I dont consider it when looking at a rider what so ever, only a little if they are from the US or AUS. I care more about the type of rider, their talent and their performances.

    ...and shoes.
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    Just had a real good look at this year's route - Is it me or is this one of the poorest parcours in years. Dont get me wrong am hoping wiggins can win but the mountain stages are poor {my old gripe downhill finishes} FFs !!!! Stage 10 a HC climb 45kms from the finish followed by a 3rd cat climb downhill to the finish. stage 11 - two HC climbs in the first 90kms and a finish climb of only 6%. ....It's more or less the same in the Pyrenees what the hell is it with downhill finishes now...god we have a week of sprints. TT's is it too much to ask for the old days of 2 days proper in the alps & 3 days in the pyrenees or vice versa. Maybe i'm just to attached to watching the tours of hinault & fignon but this is the TDF it should be a much tougher course. The giro is now the best race to watch.
  • Cumulonimbus
    Cumulonimbus Posts: 1,730
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Stage 11 - two HC climbs in the first 90kms and a finish climb of only 6%.

    Yes, seems a disappointing finish to me too. Hopefully the climbers will have to catch up time so will attack on the earlier climbs. Maybe have domestiques setting a high tempo on the Madeleine and the lower part of the Croix de Fer to tire out legs and drop domestiques, then attack half-way up the Croix de Fer. There isnt really any flat in between the Croix de Fer and the Toussuire climb so hopefully there wont be that much of a regrouping on the downhill if the race has been blown apart.

    I think stage 12 wastes a few good climbs.

    *Stage 11 gives a good opportunity IMO for doing a mountain stage of the tour yourself. Stay in St Jean de Maurienne or nearby, get an early train down the valley, then pedal easily over to Albertville and begin. If things are too hard after the Madeleine or the Croix de Fer then you can simply take it easy going back to St Jean de Maurienne. Bit of a tough day though.
  • thewaiter
    thewaiter Posts: 110
    iainf72 wrote:
    tremayne wrote:
    I personally see it more as Team GB than Team Sky.

    You see a team which is 66% not British as Team GB? Interesting.


    like the English cricket team... you gotta support them :wink:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Just had a real good look at this year's route - Is it me or is this one of the poorest parcours in years.

    I might be imagining stuff but I'm pretty sure someone on here called it 'toilet'.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    http://www.velowire.com/article/638/en/ ... dules.html

    The route has now been plotted on google maps and google earth.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Just had a real good look at this year's route - Is it me or is this one of the poorest parcours in years.

    I might be imagining stuff but I'm pretty sure someone on here called it 'toilet'.

    I resemble that remark
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Give it a chance, it hasn't even started yet!

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