Why I hate the Tories.

tim_wand

New data published (by GMB Union) shows that 248 of the 1000 people on the Sunday Times Rich List (nearly a quarter) of the richest people in Britain are Conservative party doners.

What a suprise, just shows whos interests they look out for! and I bet £83 million donated by this group over the last decade doesnt include monies for a cosy diner party at No 10 lobbying Mr Cameron to tilt policy your way.

What a bunch of C*nts, are we really all in it together (Not without an Eton or Harrow Tie and an Oxbridge degree and mansion in the Cotswolds we're not).

jonomc4

I like riding my bike

tim_wand

So Does Boris and he's a Tory, and a rich one, but funnily enough I quite like him, maybe being a cyclist covers a host of sins

daviesee

So. More than 3/4 of the rich list do not contribute to the Tories.

How does that sit? :twisted:

MattC59

oh for god's sake !

Shock horror, people who can afford it, donate to political party that they support. But proportionally, not as many as you'd expect !!

Alinshearah

So the £1.4m that the GMB give to Labour each year is not in it's self interest.

MattC59

So, in the 2010 election, the Conservatives won 36.1% of the votes.
The figures you give show that 24.8% of the people on the rich list donate to the Conservatives.

So what are you moaning about ? Basically, your argument doesn't stack up.

tim_wand

I dont think Labour has given a stuff about the Unions ever since New Labour.

The GMB has over 60,000 Members so per head it doesnt really work out anything like those 25% of the Sunday Times Rich list.

Matt sorry mate I ve tried to put a lighter hearted post above that I am sure a man of your means can add some Photographic Value too

Of the 36.1 % of the electorate that voted conservative at the last election, I would wager that other than the pensioners within the group , all of them earn in excess of the national average.

I dont really have an arguement, just because your well off , it doesnt mean you dont have the right to vote to protect your own interests. We all do that regardless of our financial status.

My arguement is that it really Pees me off when Cameron trys to potray the Conservatives as the party of the common man .

I wish the common man/ woman was as financially comfortable as a Tory doner, but I very much doubt it.

RDW

MattC59 wrote:

So, in the 2010 election, the Conservatives won 36.1% of the votes.
The figures you give show that 24.8% of the people on the rich list donate to the Conservatives.

Voting is not the same as donating. You have to be pretty committed to a party, or think you're going to get something out of it, before you start throwing money at them.

Frank the tank

The whole issue of political party funding needs a overhaul.

Of course the tories are sponsored by the very wealthy and they get looked after in return.

The labour party by and large are supported by unions (not too sure what help the unions get in return) and wealthy benefactors who don't do too bad out of them either.

Lib/dems do have wealthy benefactors but they have to work a lot harder for funding and I would suspect even harder in future after this coalition balls up.

I'll say again, the funding issue needs looking at.

MattC59

tim wand wrote:

Matt sorry mate I ve tried to put a lighter hearted post above that I am sure a man of your means can add some Photographic Value too

Something like this Tim ?

GiantMike

Frank the tank wrote:

I'll say again, the funding issue needs looking at.

Maybe, but: The politicians are largely self-interested sociopaths that would sell their Gran for 3 mins 'in power'. Regardless of where the funds come from and what limitations may be imposed, the same self-important, snivelling, back-stabbing, 2-faced, lying, cheating, fiddling, dodgy cnuts will still get to the top.

What's needed is proper accountability. Politicians are elected according to a set of lies they say they will stick to, and then discard as soon as they get into office. The facts about what they do is spun and counter-spun by the different parties, but with NO ACCOUNTABILITY for actions unless they break the law.

As a minister you can do what you like, lie about it, spin the results and the general public are none-the-wiser. In my world, politicians would get shot in the face if they lie. That's proper accountability.

springtide9

There is lots of talk about how badly off the UK's budget is in terms of public spending. There have been cuts and increases of revenue everywhere, and it seems we all have to be worse off now...

.. apart from one group of people..... the people who pay the highest rate of tax; so while we are all told that we all have to chip in and pay a little bit more to help improve the countries purse, the rich have had a tax break.

Unfortunately the government appear to be able to do what they like and get away with it, while they blame the last government for the global recession caused by the greed of the banks.

keef66

A doner is a kebab. I think you must mean donor.

Actually I'd quite like the idea of a Tory doner.

Imagine George Osbourne on a rotating spit, with a perspiring Turk occasionally slicing bits off.

tim_wand

Cheers Keef, I meant donor and not doner.

Getting some real bad images now though thanks to your correction, Anyone fancy Pickles in their Kebab?

springtide9

keef66 wrote:

Actually I'd quite like the idea of a Tory doner.
Imagine George Osbourne on a rotating spit, with a perspiring Turk occasionally slicing bits off.

I think you'd need a lot of chilli sauce with a Tory Doner; and there would be no point in pretending it was good for you by throwing a load of salad over the top, you'd just replace the salad with slices of dripping.

GiantMike

springtide9 wrote:

they blame the last government for the global recession caused by the greed of the banks.

Technically it the greed of the general public and all business. Banks can only lend if people/companies want to borrow, and EVERYBODY wanted to borrow because they thought the good times would last forever. Blame international competition and light-touch regulation for the actions of the banks. The last Govt was very happy for light-touch regulation, because heavy regulation would have made the City of London less competitive. ANY Govt would have done the same thing, and Govts all around the world did.

Banks are just a small part of a wider system re-distributing money between lenders and borrowers, working within a legal framework designed to protect the system from failure.

springtide9

GiantMike wrote:

springtide9 wrote:

they blame the last government for the global recession caused by the greed of the banks.

Technically it the greed of the general public and all business. Banks can only lend if people/companies want to borrow, and EVERYBODY wanted to borrow because they thought the good times would last forever. Blame international competition and light-touch regulation for the actions of the banks. The last Govt was very happy for light-touch regulation, because heavy regulation would have made the City of London less competitive. ANY Govt would have done the same thing, and Govts all around the world did.

Banks are just a small part of a wider system re-distributing money between lenders and borrowers, working within a legal framework designed to protect the system from failure.

Actually it was Mrs Thatcher who removed the regulation of the Banks many years ago, which put governments in a position where they couldn't allow banks to fail.
Banks leant money to people who didn't have the ability to pay. The banks then knowing that they had these bad debts on their books, then decided to push them under the carpet by repacking them with slightly more favourable debts, and trade in them to make money. I guess the bankers understood that they could make money on trades both on the way up and on the way down (short selling).
The whole banking and trading sector was based on a win win situation, where bonuses were awarded on short term profits, with no penalties for losses or failure.

Unfortunately this has highlighted that banks left to their own devices are not trustworthy to be able to manage themselves, when they know that if the 's*t hits the fan' - the government will bail them out.

As for this country being so reliant on the banking sector, you don't need three guesses to name the political party who killed any other industry in the UK.

/rant

GiantMike

springtide9 wrote:

GiantMike wrote:

The last Govt was very happy for light-touch regulation

Actually it was Mrs Thatcher who removed the regulation of the Banks many years ago, which put governments in a position where they couldn't allow banks to fail.

Yes, but the Labout Govt did nothing to reverse it or tighten things up. Even after 13 years in power.

Anyway, back on topic.

All political parties are full of liars
All political parties are funded by people who want/expect them to represent their views

springtide9

GiantMike wrote:

springtide9 wrote:

GiantMike wrote:

The last Govt was very happy for light-touch regulation

Actually it was Mrs Thatcher who removed the regulation of the Banks many years ago, which put governments in a position where they couldn't allow banks to fail.

Yes, but the Labout Govt did nothing to reverse it or tighten things up. Even after 13 years in power.

Anyway, back on topic.

All political parties are full of liars
All political parties are funded by people who want/expect them to represent their views

Yep, I can only agree with all of the above statements!

Frank the tank

They ALL p1ss in the same pot and the said pot ALWAYS GETS EMPTIED ON THE SAME PEOPLE.

GiantMike

The last 3 posts all agree. Is this some kind of record?

Frank the tank

GiantMike wrote:

The last 3 posts all agree. Is this some kind of record?

Here, here.

Redhog14

GiantMike wrote:

The last 3 posts all agree. Is this some kind of record?

Yes it is..

CiB

Hey tim wand - here's a tip. Don't vote conservative; you obviously don't like them.

Cleat Eastwood

CiB wrote:

Hey everybody - here's a tip. Don't vote conservative

FTFY

CiB

Cleat Eastwood wrote:

CiB wrote:

Hey everybody - here's a tip. Don't vote conservative

FTFY

I think you're probably right - no-one will anyway. Here's to another 10 years of p!ssing money down the drain then once we can get the messy business of an election out of the way.

pinno

Toffee nosed twats

CiB

pinarello001 wrote:

Toffee nosed twats

Why I find labour supporters difficult to comprehend sometimes. Do you mean all of us? Just those with off shore bank accounts? Anyone whose vote != Labour?

Works both ways.

rodgers73

I don't like the Conservative Party much and neither do I like people who hate them and go on about it (use of the word "Tory" is a bit of an alarm bell really!).

pinno

CiB wrote:

pinarello001 wrote:

Toffee nosed twats

Why I find labour supporters difficult to comprehend sometimes. Do you mean all of us? Just those with off shore bank accounts? Anyone whose vote != Labour?

Works both ways.

I was just going for a record, blame Wiggle/Cleat. Re.:

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Sorry.