Lance Armstrong guilty ???

bearfraser
bearfraser Posts: 435
edited June 2012 in The bottom bracket
Have they finally caught him ? US Anti Doping Agency has apparantly sent him a 30 page document impliing that past blood tests showed a definate case of Blood manipulation with the probable use of E.P.O and the use of Transfusions . And if found guilty will loose all his previous Tour de France titles and others
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,661
    Way ahead of you in Pro Race buddy...

    viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12859765
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    Think I read summat about this on TriTalk or similar
  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    Whats a Lance Armstrong?
  • Frank the tank
    Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
    ddraver wrote:
    Way ahead of you in Pro Race buddy...

    viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12859765

    You have to allow for the trickle down effect to occur.
    Tail end Charlie

    The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    I don't think this thread will reach the inevitable 50 pages that that one will though
  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    Frank the tank wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    Way ahead of you in Pro Race buddy...

    viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12859765

    You have to allow for the trickle down effect to occur.

    It was on Twitter last week
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,661
    nweststeyn wrote:
    I don't think this thread will reach the inevitable 50 pages that that one will though

    Hmm, you ve never seen a doping thread in Pro-Race have you... :P
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Redhog14
    Redhog14 Posts: 1,377
    Yup.
    @surroundedbh
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Why the question marks in the title? :twisted:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    ^
    He's sitting on the fence
  • springtide9
    springtide9 Posts: 1,731
    Fact about motorway driving.

    The speed limit is 70 mph which means based on available evidence that all the people out there with clean driving licenses must be driving at 70 mph or less.

    Not sure what it has to do with pro race cycling, but it's just an observation.

    "The History of the Tour De France - A Race For Madmen" - great book and very insightful.

    The history of cycle racing has a lot to do with where we are today. Once the horses have bolted after being forced out of the field, I can see why it's so difficult to get them to return.
    Simon
  • Frank the tank
    Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
    daviesee wrote:
    Why the question marks in the title? :twisted:

    He doesn't want Lance to put him on his "black list" with all the other trolls, as he calls them. :lol:
    Tail end Charlie

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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Frank the tank wrote:
    daviesee wrote:
    Why the question marks in the title? :twisted:

    He doesn't want Lance to put him on his "black list" with all the other trolls, as he calls them. :lol:
    So I can stop waiting on the call then? :wink:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • Frank the tank
    Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
    daviesee wrote:
    Frank the tank wrote:
    daviesee wrote:
    Why the question marks in the title? :twisted:

    He doesn't want Lance to put him on his "black list" with all the other trolls, as he calls them. :lol:
    So I can stop waiting on the call then? :wink:

    I think you're safe fella. :D
    Tail end Charlie

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  • freddiegrubb
    freddiegrubb Posts: 448
    As for myself I couldn't care less, look at the man today & his good cause nuff said.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,097
    If he's guilty, they all are
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • nevman
    nevman Posts: 1,611
    So,here are the new provisional winners (gulp)

    1999 Alex Zulle Banesto +7.37
    2000 Jan Ullrich Telekom +6.02
    2001 Jan Ullrich Telekom +6.44
    2002 Joseba Beloki ONCE +7.17
    2003 Jan Ullrich Bianchi +1.01
    2004 Andreas Kloden +6.19
    2005 Ivan Basso +4.40
    Whats the solution? Just pedal faster you baby.

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    Winter Alan Top Cross
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  • crispybug2
    crispybug2 Posts: 2,915
    nevman wrote:
    So,here are the new provisional winners (gulp)

    1999 Alex Zulle Banesto +7.37
    2000 Jan Ullrich Telekom +6.02
    2001 Jan Ullrich Telekom +6.44
    2002 Joseba Beloki ONCE +7.17
    2003 Jan Ullrich Bianchi +1.01
    2004 Andreas Kloden +6.19
    2005 Ivan Basso +4.40


    Now THAT'S a fine list of 'clean' riders wirh perfect unblemihed records!!!!!
  • PaulC7
    PaulC7 Posts: 112
    This is going back to the 2009/10 season...

    so why so long to mention it... maybe someone out to get him?
  • Frank the tank
    Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
    PaulC7 wrote:
    This is going back to the 2009/10 season...

    so why so long to mention it... maybe someone out to get him?

    I'd like to point out Lance Armstrong is not PARANOID.

    A lot of people DO HATE him. :lol:
    Tail end Charlie

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  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    ddraver wrote:
    nweststeyn wrote:
    I don't think this thread will reach the inevitable 50 pages that that one will though

    Hmm, you ve never seen a doping thread in Pro-Race have you... :P

    A short while later and it's up to page 48. So close!
  • shouldbeinbed
    shouldbeinbed Posts: 2,660
    What is the internet alternative of chip paper?

    its fallen to the bottom of page 3 in commuting chat now.
  • MattC59
    MattC59 Posts: 5,408
    What ever your opinion, until he's proven guilty, he should be treated as innocent. That's how it works isn't it ?

    This is an interesting read !
    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/other-sports/usada-s-travis-tygart-plays-prosecutor-jury-and-judge-lance-armstrong-case
    Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved
  • Gazzaputt
    Gazzaputt Posts: 3,227
    MattC59 wrote:
    What ever your opinion, until he's proven guilty, he should be treated as innocent. That's how it works isn't it ?

    This is an interesting read !
    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/other-sports/usada-s-travis-tygart-plays-prosecutor-jury-and-judge-lance-armstrong-case

    Thanks for posting Matt is does give another slant on this.

    Reading it it does show how USADA are prosecutor, judge and jury.

    If I were Lance I'd just shrug my shoulders and let them get on with it. There is noway he'll get a fair hearing.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Gazzaputt wrote:
    MattC59 wrote:
    What ever your opinion, until he's proven guilty, he should be treated as innocent. That's how it works isn't it ?

    This is an interesting read !
    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/other-sports/usada-s-travis-tygart-plays-prosecutor-jury-and-judge-lance-armstrong-case

    Thanks for posting Matt is does give another slant on this.

    Reading it it does show how USADA are prosecutor, judge and jury.

    If I were Lance I'd just shrug my shoulders and let them get on with it. There is noway he'll get a fair hearing.

    Err, a) what's wrong with USAD being prosecutor and jury, and b) why is Lance entitled to know who the witnesses are? It's not up to him to decide if they are credible or not.
    _
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,163
    shouldbeinbed wrote:
    What is the internet alternative of chip paper?

    its fallen to the bottom of page 3 in commuting chat now.

    Yeah but doping is no big issue for them, if on the other hand you tell them he jumped a red light on his way to winning 7 Tours and the thread will never leave page 1 the dirty cheat. In fact, surely that short cut across the field is on a par with riding on the footway or going down a one way street? Cheating scumbag!!!
  • Gazzaputt
    Gazzaputt Posts: 3,227
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Gazzaputt wrote:
    MattC59 wrote:
    What ever your opinion, until he's proven guilty, he should be treated as innocent. That's how it works isn't it ?

    This is an interesting read !
    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/other-sports/usada-s-travis-tygart-plays-prosecutor-jury-and-judge-lance-armstrong-case

    Thanks for posting Matt is does give another slant on this.

    Reading it it does show how USADA are prosecutor, judge and jury.

    If I were Lance I'd just shrug my shoulders and let them get on with it. There is noway he'll get a fair hearing.

    Err, a) what's wrong with USAD being prosecutor and jury, and b) why is Lance entitled to know who the witnesses are? It's not up to him to decide if they are credible or not.

    A) You said it right there what is wrong with being prosecutor and jury? Forgive me but I thought the jury are independent and have no association with the prosecution and defence as to no conflict of interest.

    B) For a fair trial in normal circumstances this information would have to be disclosed to defence so they can make their case.

    Of course this isn't a fair trial it seems a witch hunt. If this was a court of law there would be outrage. Why else did the United States Department of Justice drop the case? Because there was not sufficient evidence that would stand up in a court of law.
  • Frank the tank
    Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
    I'm no great fan of LA's or doping.

    What is to be achieved by continuing what looks ever like a witch hunt against the man?

    Let's assume he is found guilty, where is the line drawn, the records are re-written and then checks against those awarded the race must be checked. A whole can of worms is opened.

    IMHO, it's time the whole thing was just left to lie, if he did cheat he's gotten away with it. If he didn't all well and good. It's not like everyone whose won a grand tour has been clean is it.
    Tail end Charlie

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  • shouldbeinbed
    shouldbeinbed Posts: 2,660
    Pross wrote:
    shouldbeinbed wrote:
    What is the internet alternative of chip paper?

    its fallen to the bottom of page 3 in commuting chat now.

    Yeah but doping is no big issue for them, if on the other hand you tell them he jumped a red light on his way to winning 7 Tours and the thread will never leave page 1 the dirty cheat. In fact, surely that short cut across the field is on a par with riding on the footway or going down a one way street? Cheating scumbag!!!

    :lol:
  • Max009
    Max009 Posts: 5
    I think they need to leave him alone already what are they really trying to prove. How many times has the man been tested and cleared and investigated by this governing body and that governing body and had the charges dropped. STOP kincking the dead horse already!!! Lets not forget he has done more for cancer research in the form of raising money and awearness then all of the people combined who are trying to bring him down. Cancer has saddly touched alot of people in one from or another we should be thankful that people like Lance Armstrong care enought to raise money to help fight it...

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