Giro stage 20 ‘Spoiler’

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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Annoyed they took so much time in the last few kms. Unless Rodriguez wins the Giro - then all is fine.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Sky made a ness of that. Henao looked comfortable and could have taken 4th. Not sure Uran has benefitted anything from Henao dropping back.
  • thamacdaddy
    thamacdaddy Posts: 590
    Feels like Heneo should have stayed with JRod and tried to prevent his 4th spot instead of dragging uran up, depends what matters more a possible podium or winnning the points jersey?
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Good ride Dupont.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    :wink: J-Rod hardly a true champion. Just wheel sucked till about 800m
    :D

    No not a TC. 14secs on a sprint is not very impressive at all.
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Zero panache points for J-Rod. Really hope he loses shed loads of time in the TT.
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    ddraver wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    And j rod wins the giro with a seriously impressive move.

    Red jersey I assume??


    Well tomorrow might actually be a TT worth watching....
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    And j rod wins the giro with a seriously impressive move.

    Thomas de Gendt could easily take pink tomorrow with J Rod's TTing
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Anyone else been surprised with how comfortable J Rod has been in the high mountains? I thought he'd struggle on the long, steady stuff.
  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,858
    Awesome stuff from TDG, but Ryder has surely done enough
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    johnfinch wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    And j rod wins the giro with a seriously impressive move.

    Red jersey I assume??


    Well tomorrow might actually be a TT worth watching....
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    And j rod wins the giro with a seriously impressive move.

    Thomas de Gendt could easily take pink tomorrow with J Rod's TTing
    Think j rod and Hej did enough.

    Hej still favourite, only lost yesterdays gains. I really thought j rod would take a packet there
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Pross wrote:
    Anyone else been surprised with how comfortable J Rod has been in the high mountains? I thought he'd struggle on the long, steady stuff.

    hmmm, who has he been riding against though....

    Hardly top of the class unfortunately
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  • TheStone
    TheStone Posts: 2,291
    Easy to say from the sofa, but do not understand JRod there.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    TdG

    yeah he was my second choice for a win today... I mean everyone saw this coming
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  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Why are people talking up Hesjedal for the time trial? He isn't a time triallist. :?
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    johnfinch wrote:
    Why are people talking up Hesjedal for the time trial? He isn't a time triallist. :?

    compared with gc guys
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    TheStone wrote:
    Easy to say from the sofa, but do not understand JRod there.

    Well, ok, who are the big climbers?

    Hej and Basso have been happy to drill a constant pace and the climbers have let them. Plays into J-Rod's hands. He's never really gained significant time in the mountains, only by taking time bonuses
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    De Gendt almost certainly riding himself onto the Podo. Deserves it with a move like that.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,908
    Cavendish is not going to be happy when he finally crosses the line...
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    johnfinch wrote:
    Why are people talking up Hesjedal for the time trial? He isn't a time triallist. :?

    He won his national TT once :lol:

    Doing some basic guessing, he's able to keep up with much lighter looking climbers, uphill, so obviously has a bit of power, and TTs are all about power v frontal area/general "aeroness", weight doesn't come into it, so basically, he should have J-Rods number!!
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    edited May 2012
    Ryder vs JRod in the TTs. Respective positions at the end. From CQ.

    2 5/05/2012 Giro d'Italia, Stage 1 : Herning I.T.T. 17. 44.
    3 7/04/2012 Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 6 : Oñati - Oñati I.T.T. 52. 6.
    1 9/04/2011 Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 6 : Zalla - Zalla I.T.T. 23. 33.
    1 24/07/2010 Tour de France, Stage 19 : Bordeaux - Pauillac I.T.T. 51. 153.
    2 3/07/2010 Tour de France, Prologue : Rotterdam (Ned) I.T.T. 36. 114.
    3 12/06/2010 Tour de Suisse, Stage 1 : Lugano I.T.T. 45. 20.
    4 10/04/2010 Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 6 : Orio - Orio I.T.T. 18. 7.
    5 22/03/2010 Volta a Catalunya, Stage 1 : Lloret de Mar I.T.T. 12. 13.
    1 5/09/2009 Vuelta a España, Stage 7 : Valencia I.T.T. 127. 98.
    2 29/08/2009 Vuelta a España, Stage 1 : Assen I.T.T. 146. 140.
    3 15/03/2009 Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 5 : Loreto - Macerata I.T.T. 24. 63.
    1 1/06/2008 Giro d'Italia, Stage 21 : Cesano Maderno - Milano I.T.T. 45. 138.
    2 26/05/2008 Giro d'Italia, Stage 16 : San Vigilio di Marebbe - Plan de Corones I.T.T. 48. 37.
    3 20/05/2008 Giro d'Italia, Stage 10 : Pesaro - Urbino I.T.T. 88. 58. .
    5 16/03/2008 Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 5 : Macerata - Recanati I.T.T. 19. 40.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Ryder vs De Gendt.

    1 23/07/2011 Tour de France, Stage 20 : Grenoble - Grenoble I.T.T. 61. 3.
    3 19/06/2011 Tour de Suisse, Stage 9 : Schaffhausen - Schaffhausen I.T.T. 24. 8.
    4 11/06/2011 Tour de Suisse, Stage 1 : Lugano I.T.T. 77. 64.
    5 11/03/2011 Paris - Nice, Stage 6 : Rognes - Aix-en-Provence I.T.T. 49. 15.
    2 5/05/2012 Giro d'Italia, Stage 1 : Herning I.T.T. 17. 22.
    3 24/04/2012 Tour de Romandie, Prologue : Lausanne I.T.T. 64. 60.

    Best comparison:
    TdF TT11 at the end of a GT

    Stage 20 Results
    1 MARTIN, Tony (HTC-HIGHROAD) 55' 33"
    2 EVANS, Cadel (BMC RACING) + 00' 07"
    3 CONTADOR VELASCO, Alberto (SAXO BANK SUNGARD) + 01' 06"
    4 DE GENDT, Thomas (VACANSOLEIL-DCM) + 01' 29"
    ...
    62. Hesjedal @ 4.56
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    ^pretty close then...It ll comedown to who wants it more...

    edit - between H and J
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  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Jez mon wrote:
    johnfinch wrote:
    Why are people talking up Hesjedal for the time trial? He isn't a time triallist. :?

    He won his national TT once :lol:

    Doing some basic guessing, he's able to keep up with much lighter looking climbers, uphill, so obviously has a bit of power, and TTs are all about power v frontal area/general "aeroness", weight doesn't come into it, so basically, he should have J-Rods number!!

    I was thinking about TDG being the main threat. He could well take back that 2m18s on Rodriguez and 1m47s against Hej.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    hmm - http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riders- ... mate-stage
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    johnfinch wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    johnfinch wrote:
    Why are people talking up Hesjedal for the time trial? He isn't a time triallist. :?

    He won his national TT once :lol:

    Doing some basic guessing, he's able to keep up with much lighter looking climbers, uphill, so obviously has a bit of power, and TTs are all about power v frontal area/general "aeroness", weight doesn't come into it, so basically, he should have J-Rods number!!

    I was thinking about TDG being the main threat. He could well take back that 2m18s on Rodriguez and 1m47s against Hej.

    Hmmm, maybe

    Depends on how much this ride has taken out of Hej/TDG. Yep, TdG thoroughly beat Hej in the final TT of the tour last year, but was Hej going all out, had he peaked for that race? I think comparing results like that is difficult at best...

    Some things we do know though.

    TDG can TT well, and importantly, well in the final TT of a grand tour.

    Hej should be able to beat J-Rod.

    It's going to be an exciting TT
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    ddraver wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Why is Ryder riding?

    Eh? Cos hes a true Champion riding for Victory not 2nd place...

    I see what you did there :)
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    De Gendt still remains a threat for pink.
    Harmon talking about him being the "nearest" to Hesjedal, in terms of ITT ability, but in reality, he's much better. He took over 3 and a half minutes out of Ryder, in last year's TDF, over 43kms.
    We all know he's got some engine.

    Disappointed, but not surprised be Rodriguez's tactic of doing what he does best. He needed to be a little more "ballsy" and gamble outside of his comfort zone a bit.
    Who dares wins and all that.

    One other question remains: Can Cav finish 15th or better, tomorrow?
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  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    One other question remains: Can Cav finish 15th or better, tomorrow?

    I don't know. I know he is decent at TT, but whether he's 15th best or better I have no clue. Motivation may play a huge part, a lot of riders have nothing to ride for so he may be able to make places up that way.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    One other question remains: Can Cav finish 15th or better, tomorrow?

    I don't know. I know he is decent at TT, but whether he's 15th best or better I have no clue. Motivation may play a huge part, a lot of riders have nothing to ride for so he may be able to make places up that way.

    Trouble comes in the form of the half a dozen or so, top trialists who are hidden deep in the GC basement.
    The top 20- 25 will ride, plus some, if not all of them, so, 30+ riders going flat out?
    I dunno, that's a guess upon a guess......I guess! :oops:
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Has Cav ever ridden a non-prologue length TT at full gas before? Can't see him cracking the top 15 myself.

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