Words fail me (for once !)

MattC59

other than to say, I hope she's invoiced for the fire service, care workers, scaffolding company etc......

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/50-stone-teenager-cut-free-from-home-in-wales-7788099.html

rick_chasey

MattC59 wrote:

other than to say, I hope she's invoiced for the fire service, care workers, scaffolding company etc......

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/50-stone-teenager-cut-free-from-home-in-wales-7788099.html

Should be on the NHS?

Cleat Eastwood

lost for words - i thought you were referring to this story - sometimes its just on the tip of your tongue hehe

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 08559.html

DorsetKnob

If she couldnt leave the house then the people who went and bought food for her should be prosecuted for a/cruelty?, b/neglect? c/abh? .
Food is too easy to come by and far too cheap. The farmers are apparently struggling yet you can buy 2 chickens for a fiver!
I'm just very scared that the general populus are going to end up looking like Americans!

mr_goo

Apparently a fleet of Japanese whaling ships have set off for South Wales.

MattC59

Rick Chasey wrote:

MattC59 wrote:

other than to say, I hope she's invoiced for the fire service, care workers, scaffolding company etc......

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/50-stone-teenager-cut-free-from-home-in-wales-7788099.html

Should be on the NHS?

The hospital care, yes, but anything above and beyond, such as the fire service, care workers, scaffolding company, road closures, social services, special reinforced beds, special wheel chairs etc. should be charged for. I hope that their insurance company doens't pay for the house to be rebuilt either

The road outside her home was closed off as two walls of the house were demolished to move her from her first-floor bedroom.
Her medical condition was not known, but it is understood she had suffered massive organ failure after reaching a reported weight of 63st.
Large dust sheets and tarpaulins were put up outside her home in Aberdare, South Wales, so the operation could be conducted in private. 'This is not a freak show,' said a police officer.

Not a fookin freak show !?!?!?! I beg to differ !!!!!

ilm_zero7

MattC59 wrote:

Not a fookin freak show !?!?!?! I beg to differ !!!!!

i agree, they should have left them in the hose for a few weeks to slim down!

cougie

Without reading the full story - how the hell could anyone reach 50 stone and still be in their teens ?

What kind of eating is she doing ? And yes - I've heard of dog owners being prosecuted for overfeeding their pets - the parents must have a lot of responsibility in this.

appy

As a firefighter we often have to go and help paramedics move people, all part of the job.

I actually feel sorry for this girl, she got herself down to 18st but i guess if you dont remove the things causing her to eat as soon as she was back in that environment shes going to go back to stuffing her face.

ilm_zero7

appy wrote:

remove the things casuing her to eat.

like food - or excess food..... she is incapable of helping herself - so either intervene and force her to eat normal portions and amounts, or leave her to stuff and kill herself.

but partial intervention is not a solution

BillyMansell

cougie wrote:

Without reading the full story - how the hell could anyone reach 50 stone and still be in their teens ?

What kind of eating is she doing ? And yes - I've heard of dog owners being prosecuted for overfeeding their pets - the parents must have a lot of responsibility in this.

Jeez. A truly moronic comment among a list of moronic comments.

Had you bothered to read the story you would have seen he father died when she was 5. She clearly suffered psychologically as a result which led to her eating. A solution was found but was not maintained when she came back to the UK. Did health and social care both fail in supporting this solution so causing her state of mind to regress? Knowing the current dysfunctional way that heath and social care struggle to operate cohesively, it's almost certain they failed her.

Under the new GP commissioning the burden of financial responsibility will be on GPs as commissioners to help or support people get better and if they fail,as in this case, then they will be invoiced for the unnecessary use of emergency and rescue services, and the government won't be supplementing their budgets as they have done in the past.

byke68

BillyMansell wrote:

cougie wrote:

Without reading the full story - how the hell could anyone reach 50 stone and still be in their teens ?

What kind of eating is she doing ? And yes - I've heard of dog owners being prosecuted for overfeeding their pets - the parents must have a lot of responsibility in this.

Jeez. A truly moronic comment among a list of moronic comments.

Had you bothered to read the story you would have seen he father died when she was 5. She clearly suffered psychologically as a result which led to her eating. A solution was found but was not maintained when she came back to the UK. Did health and social care both fail in supporting this solution so causing her state of mind to regress? Knowing the current dysfunctional way that heath and social care struggle to operate cohesively, it's almost certain they failed her.

Under the new GP commissioning the burden of financial responsibility will be on GPs as commissioners to help or support people get better and if they fail,as in this case, then they will be invoiced for the unnecessary use of emergency and rescue services, and the government won't be supplementing their budgets as they have done in the past.

Why wasn't something done when she balloned to about 30 stone? It's not as if she went to 50 stone overnight! Yes, she has been let down by the people who should be keeping an eye on her welfare and she has let herself down by lack of willpower. If people were passing her food through windows, then they are to blame as well.

MattC59

BillyMansell wrote:

cougie wrote:

Without reading the full story - how the hell could anyone reach 50 stone and still be in their teens ?

What kind of eating is she doing ? And yes - I've heard of dog owners being prosecuted for overfeeding their pets - the parents must have a lot of responsibility in this.

Jeez. A truly moronic comment among a list of moronic comments.

Had you bothered to read the story you would have seen he father died when she was 5. She clearly suffered psychologically as a result which led to her eating. A solution was found but was not maintained when she came back to the UK. Did health and social care both fail in supporting this solution so causing her state of mind to regress? Knowing the current dysfunctional way that heath and social care struggle to operate cohesively, it's almost certain they failed her.

Under the new GP commissioning the burden of financial responsibility will be on GPs as commissioners to help or support people get better and if they fail,as in this case, then they will be invoiced for the unnecessary use of emergency and rescue services, and the government won't be supplementing their budgets as they have done in the past.

Nothing like passing the buck, hey !?!?

This is no ones fault except her's and her mother's. Why should it be down to the failure of health and social care ? She should take full responsibility for this herself. Fine, she has suffered psychologically, but at the age of 5, you are uinder the control of your parents. You don't have access to massive amounts of food unless you are fed it.

When you're that size, I don't care what psychological issues you have, if you can't get out of your seat/bed/room, then you can't feed yourself.

She's been eating solidly for 14years, during which time, she's been to fat camps and had documentaries made about her. Why was it the responsibility of someone else to maintain this solution ? She's well aware of the issue, but has done sweet FA about it.

CambsNewbie

MattC59 wrote:

BillyMansell wrote:

cougie wrote:

Without reading the full story - how the hell could anyone reach 50 stone and still be in their teens ?

What kind of eating is she doing ? And yes - I've heard of dog owners being prosecuted for overfeeding their pets - the parents must have a lot of responsibility in this.

Jeez. A truly moronic comment among a list of moronic comments.

Had you bothered to read the story you would have seen he father died when she was 5. She clearly suffered psychologically as a result which led to her eating. A solution was found but was not maintained when she came back to the UK. Did health and social care both fail in supporting this solution so causing her state of mind to regress? Knowing the current dysfunctional way that heath and social care struggle to operate cohesively, it's almost certain they failed her.

Under the new GP commissioning the burden of financial responsibility will be on GPs as commissioners to help or support people get better and if they fail,as in this case, then they will be invoiced for the unnecessary use of emergency and rescue services, and the government won't be supplementing their budgets as they have done in the past.

Nothing like passing the buck, hey !?!?

This is no ones fault except her's and her mother's. Why should it be down to the failure of health and social care ? She should take full responsibility for this herself. Fine, she has suffered psychologically, but at the age of 5, you are uinder the control of your parents. You don't have access to massive amounts of food unless you are fed it.

When you're that size, I don't care what psychological issues you have, if you can't get out of your seat/bed/room, then you can't feed yourself.

She's been eating solidly for 14years, during which time, she's been to fat camps and had documentaries made about her. Why was it the responsibility of someone else to maintain this solution ? She's well aware of the issue, but has done sweet FA about it.

Agree with you Matt 100%. she's had loads of help offered, been shown how to eat healthily and been on various 'boot camps' etc. The decision to what what she has in the quantities she has is HERS and hers alone. but once again it's us as tax-payers who pay, no doubt she is in a housing association house with housing benefit paying the bills, various incapacity benefits, the cost of the NHS treatment, all the ambo, fire and police officers it tied up who could have been helping people who hadn't inflicted this on themselves.

Vesterberg

you carry on having a pop at the easiest targets in society MATTC59 eh....as long as it makes you feel better. You know that the 'Cake Stop Tax Payers Alliance' will always back you up (i.e. the whinging, NIMBY, Mail reading, curtain twitching, suburban SS guard)

DIESELDOG

Popcorn anyone?

Oh, bad taste, my bad :twisted:

love n hugs

DD

bails87

There's no consideration that there might, just might, be a serious mental health issue here?

Or is it just "she fat, LOLZ!"?

Vesterberg

bails87 wrote:

There's no consideration that there might, just might, be a serious mental health issue here?

Or is it just "she fat, LOLZ!"?

possibly a mental health issue, certainly a lot of pain and misery in such a short life - it just sickens me when people's first reaction is - 'my taxes!'

rick_chasey

Vesterberg wrote:

bails87 wrote:

There's no consideration that there might, just might, be a serious mental health issue here?

Or is it just "she fat, LOLZ!"?

possibly a mental health issue, certainly a lot of pain and misery in such a short life - it just sickens me when people's first reaction is - 'my taxes!'

Indeed.

Re the bill - NHS - free healthcare to all, for all.

That's how it works. You start picking and choosing what is treated for free and what isn't and it's no longer free healthcare. There will be people who are expensive, and those who are not. S'the way it is.

CambsNewbie

Vesterberg wrote:

you carry on having a pop at the easiest targets in society MATTC59 eh....as long as it makes you feel better. You know that the 'Cake Stop Tax Payers Alliance' will always back you up (i.e. the whinging, NIMBY, Mail reading, curtain twitching, suburban SS guard)

What happened to personal responsibility? Yes I accept there maybe some mental health issues regarding this girl but she has been offered and had professional help. We all have crap things happen in our life. Just read the life is shit thread..

I really believe obesity and all it's various health implications will bankrupt the NHS and I do believe it's preventable. Just think how much money could be diverted to other research and then people like Big Jim wouldn't need to do his charity ride because they would have all the funding they need.

bobtbuilder

MattC59 wrote:

BillyMansell wrote:

cougie wrote:

Without reading the full story - how the hell could anyone reach 50 stone and still be in their teens ?

What kind of eating is she doing ? And yes - I've heard of dog owners being prosecuted for overfeeding their pets - the parents must have a lot of responsibility in this.

Jeez. A truly moronic comment among a list of moronic comments.

Had you bothered to read the story you would have seen he father died when she was 5. She clearly suffered psychologically as a result which led to her eating. A solution was found but was not maintained when she came back to the UK. Did health and social care both fail in supporting this solution so causing her state of mind to regress? Knowing the current dysfunctional way that heath and social care struggle to operate cohesively, it's almost certain they failed her.

Under the new GP commissioning the burden of financial responsibility will be on GPs as commissioners to help or support people get better and if they fail,as in this case, then they will be invoiced for the unnecessary use of emergency and rescue services, and the government won't be supplementing their budgets as they have done in the past.

Nothing like passing the buck, hey !?!?

This is no ones fault except her's and her mother's. Why should it be down to the failure of health and social care ? She should take full responsibility for this herself. Fine, she has suffered psychologically, but at the age of 5, you are uinder the control of your parents. You don't have access to massive amounts of food unless you are fed it.

When you're that size, I don't care what psychological issues you have, if you can't get out of your seat/bed/room, then you can't feed yourself.

She's been eating solidly for 14years, during which time, she's been to fat camps and had documentaries made about her. Why was it the responsibility of someone else to maintain this solution ? She's well aware of the issue, but has done sweet FA about it.

Well said Matt. Yes it's a tragic story but it's also another exercise in passing the blame and refusing to accept personal responsibility.
She has had more help than most people receive but once it became her responsibility to maintain her lower weight or even to continue reducing it, she went back to her old habits. Surely you can't expect people to monitor her 24/7 to make sure she does what is "best" for her?

Stevo_666

We already make lots of people pay who willingly do things to themselves that create cost and hassle for the health service - look at the tax on fags and booze. Extending that to fatties doesn't seem to be too much of a stretch in principle.

BillyMansell

MattC59 wrote:

Nothing like passing the buck, hey !?!?

This is no ones fault except her's and her mother's. Why should it be down to the failure of health and social care ? She should take full responsibility for this herself. Fine, she has suffered psychologically, but at the age of 5, you are uinder the control of your parents. You don't have access to massive amounts of food unless you are fed it.

When you're that size, I don't care what psychological issues you have, if you can't get out of your seat/bed/room, then you can't feed yourself.

She's been eating solidly for 14years, during which time, she's been to fat camps and had documentaries made about her. Why was it the responsibility of someone else to maintain this solution ? She's well aware of the issue, but has done sweet FA about it.

TBH Matt, I'm probably several rungs up the evolutionary ladder of understanding on such subjects, plus I'm a practical person who looks for understanding and solutions rather than someone who rants and stays focused on a perceive problem.

In the time since this girl lost her father, a massive trauma to a 5 year old girl, we have seen considerable cuts in psychological services. Add to that that psychological services aren't particularly well integrated or responsive to complex needs such as being a child, suffering bereavement and with an eating disorder so it's likely she didn't get the complete help she needed, plus now she's past 18 all the support system she had disappears and she has to start all over again in building a support network.

The mother has also suffered with a double loss; they've lost their partner and their happy daughter, so they'll do whatever they can to retain something of what they had. Until we're faced with such situations none of us know how we deal them and our responses might not always be the best.

I've already alluded to the social, economic and political reasons.

Vesterberg

MattC59 wrote:

Nothing like passing the buck, hey !?!?

This is no ones fault except her's and her mother's. Why should it be down to the failure of health and social care ? She should take full responsibility for this herself. Fine, she has suffered psychologically, but at the age of 5, you are uinder the control of your parents. You don't have access to massive amounts of food unless you are fed it.

When you're that size, I don't care what psychological issues you have, if you can't get out of your seat/bed/room, then you can't feed yourself.

She's been eating solidly for 14years, during which time, she's been to fat camps and had documentaries made about her. Why was it the responsibility of someone else to maintain this solution ? She's well aware of the issue, but has done sweet FA about it.

We all have our own crosses to bear.

Some people are fat
Some people are small minded and sanctimonious

I'd sooner be the former if forced to choose either/or.

verylonglegs

So someone may be in the last chance saloon of life and all you can think of is to send them a bill they won't be able to pay anyway. Wow.

MattC59

Rick Chasey wrote:

Vesterberg wrote:

bails87 wrote:

There's no consideration that there might, just might, be a serious mental health issue here?

Or is it just "she fat, LOLZ!"?

possibly a mental health issue, certainly a lot of pain and misery in such a short life - it just sickens me when people's first reaction is - 'my taxes!'

Indeed.

Re the bill - NHS - free healthcare to all, for all.

That's how it works. You start picking and choosing what is treated for free and what isn't and it's no longer free healthcare. There will be people who are expensive, and those who are not. S'the way it is.

Totally agree Rick, but closing a road, getting builders in to rip out the front of a house and scaffolders to support it, isn't healthcare.

MattC59

Vesterberg wrote:

you carry on having a pop at the easiest targets in society MATTC59 eh....as long as it makes you feel better. You know that the 'Cake Stop Tax Payers Alliance' will always back you up (i.e. the whinging, NIMBY, Mail reading, curtain twitching, suburban SS guard)

Anything in particular to add to the subject ? or just having a go with out adding anything ?
I wasn't particularly having a pop at her, just pointing out my views. That said, if she's an easy target, then it's of her own doing. She would be an easy target though, she's massive, it's be hard to miss, even with your eyes closed ! (yes, I was having a pop that time, just thought I'd help out and point it out to you)

You'll note that not once have I mentioned 'my taxes' and I don't fit into your 'Cake Stop Tax Payers Alliance'.

BillyMansell

MattC59 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Vesterberg wrote:

bails87 wrote:

There's no consideration that there might, just might, be a serious mental health issue here?

Or is it just "she fat, LOLZ!"?

possibly a mental health issue, certainly a lot of pain and misery in such a short life - it just sickens me when people's first reaction is - 'my taxes!'

Indeed.

Re the bill - NHS - free healthcare to all, for all.

That's how it works. You start picking and choosing what is treated for free and what isn't and it's no longer free healthcare. There will be people who are expensive, and those who are not. S'the way it is.

Totally agree Rick, but closing a road, getting builders in to rip out the front of a house and scaffolders to support it, isn't healthcare.

My GP, who I work alongside with in healthcare commissioning, will admit that we have operated an illness service rather than a healthcare service for decades; we allow healthcare to fester and worsen until the point where situations either have to be acted upon or become inoperable. Clearly they assessed the situation and deemed it operable by which point it required additional support from other services. I hope the young girl eventually gets the package of support she's clearly been lacking for a long time.

Could this situation have been dealt with better and in a more timely fashion? Hell yeah but it was at a time when we were encouraged to cut back on psychological services and develop specialist teams that couldn't effectively share caseloads. Years down the line those same services (plus more) are having to deal with ever growing problems that should have been addressed years ago.

Will GP commissioning and PPGs improve the situation? I roll my eyes.

cougie

It's very sad that her dad died when she was 5 but that's no excuse.
Plenty of people suffer loss at an early age.
Letting her get to a weight that stops her from moving is just ridiculous.
Call me moronic if you want Billy but I don't see letting someone immobilise themselves as being the best way to help.

Then again I'm not a health professional as you seem to be - so you know best.

BillyMansell

cougie wrote:

It's very sad that her dad died when she was 5 but that's no excuse.
Plenty of people suffer loss at an early age.
Letting her get to a weight that stops her from moving is just ridiculous.
Call me moronic if you want Billy but I don't see letting someone immobilise themselves as being the best way to help.

Then again I'm not a health professional as you seem to be - so you know best.

As much as I enjoy self-deprecation as a form of defence against ignorance and stupidity, the only difference between you and me is that I don't use such ignorance and stupidity as a defence against me caring for the whole of society.

As for your beliefs that,

"t's very sad that her dad died when she was 5 but that's no excuse.
Plenty of people suffer loss at an early age"

that is a level of ignorance and stupidity as to the emotional turmoil a 5 year old girl that those without the experience could at least try to understand.

cougie

So you think her overrating and consequently being unable to move is a good thing for her ?

Someone should have snapped her out of her depression well before now. I fail to see how messing upbthevrest of her life is much help to her.