Armstrong interview

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  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    dennisn wrote:
    There are abrasive people all over the world. We work with them. Some of them are our friends. SOME of them are family. LA is who he is. I don't see why people feel he has to be some ideal person, perfect in every way to everyone. Sure some of us don't like abrasive people but they exist and aren't going to or can't change for your's and my sake. I'm not sure how exciting it would be if all riders and teams were all peace and love and happiness.

    I know all of this. Doesn't change the way I feel about him. He isn't the only person I think is a tool.
  • B3rnieMac
    B3rnieMac Posts: 384
    We all know what he's like. But he's an asshole and a cheat, which makes it worse :P maybe if he had been a nice guy, people would have overlooked the doping. It worked for der kaiser.... I can't help but like the guy. He's too damn nice.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    We all know what he's like. But he's an asshole and a cheat, which makes it worse .....

    Worse than what? I guess I'm back to my age old question of "why let someone you dislike so strongly get under your skin like this"? He's not family, not a friend, not a coworker, not English(or is it British :? ) and has nerver done anything, good or bad, to you or I. He's just another human on the planet, no more no less. He's done good things and bad things, just like the rest of us. Maybe I'd better shut up or I'm likely to draw the wrath of "bikingbernie". He's back ya know? Anyway try not to look upon me as a Lance supporter, just think of me as the "loyal opposition".
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    dennisn wrote:
    He's back ya know?

    As your back as well, how about you post some pictures of your ride!

    viewtopic.php?f=40044&t=12845110&p=17531729#p17531729
  • B3rnieMac
    B3rnieMac Posts: 384
    dennisn wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    We all know what he's like. But he's an asshole and a cheat, which makes it worse .....

    Worse than what? I guess I'm back to my age old question of "why let someone you dislike so strongly get under your skin like this"? He's not family, not a friend, not a coworker, not English(or is it British :? ) and has nerver done anything, good or bad, to you or I. He's just another human on the planet, no more no less. He's done good things and bad things, just like the rest of us. Maybe I'd better shut up or I'm likely to draw the wrath of "bikingbernie". He's back ya know? Anyway try not to look upon me as a Lance supporter, just think of me as the "loyal opposition".


    the fact that he's an ass makes the fact he's a cheater seem worse, is what i meant, i thought that was clear?

    i just dont see the need for any "loyal opposition", dennis. why do you always play devils advocate? you say you arent a lance supporter but from lurking here a long time i would say the opposite is/was true. maybe now its almost definite that he did cheat, you've seen the light but cant bring yourself to hold your hands up and say "ok guys, i was wrong?" we wont judge you for it.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    We all know what he's like. But he's an asshole and a cheat, which makes it worse .....

    Worse than what? I guess I'm back to my age old question of "why let someone you dislike so strongly get under your skin like this"? He's not family, not a friend, not a coworker, not English(or is it British :? ) and has nerver done anything, good or bad, to you or I. He's just another human on the planet, no more no less. He's done good things and bad things, just like the rest of us. Maybe I'd better shut up or I'm likely to draw the wrath of "bikingbernie". He's back ya know? Anyway try not to look upon me as a Lance supporter, just think of me as the "loyal opposition".


    the fact that he's an ass makes the fact he's a cheater seem worse, is what i meant, i thought that was clear?

    i just dont see the need for any "loyal opposition", dennis. why do you always play devils advocate? you say you arent a lance supporter but from lurking here a long time i would say the opposite is/was true. maybe now its almost definite that he did cheat, you've seen the light but cant bring yourself to hold your hands up and say "ok guys, i was wrong?" we wont judge you for it.

    I love playing devils advocate. My god, how boring would this forum be if everyone agreed on everything. Who needs to read "all praise" for so and so and "all damnation" for another. Wouldn't be much of a forum? I can accept that bunches of people on this site dislike / hate certain people. No big deal, dislike who you will for whatever reason. Why can't I like someone you don't? :?
  • B3rnieMac
    B3rnieMac Posts: 384
    You're right...hitler wasn't all bad.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,657
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    You're right...hitler wasn't all bad.

    Ach, come on he was a d1ck, but he was nt a power tool like hitler...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • B3rnieMac
    B3rnieMac Posts: 384
    You're right, I was being facetious, but I don't see the point in taking the opposing view for no good reason other than being....I dunno, intentionally awkward. That's how I see it. Shame we don't have someone arguing riccos POV, I guess you have to be a tour winner to have people defend you, in spite of yourself.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    getting back on topic then. Think these comments show the investigation was shut down before it had run it's course. Kind of makes a mockery of the US legal system as money and power seem to matter more than the truth and breaking the law.

    There must still be something going on our there, USADA maybe ? Can't say i've ever heard LA be defeatist against something like this though it's not in his character
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    sherer wrote:
    getting back on topic then. Think these comments show the investigation was shut down before it had run it's course. Kind of makes a mockery of the US legal system as money and power seem to matter more than the truth and breaking the law.
    I'm going to disagree because I actually do disagree. If you're refering to LA and his Grand Jury thing I'm thinking you don't know Grand Juries. They have sent to trail just about everyone who deserved it without reguard to whether they were famous politicions, famous gangsters, famous celebs, filthy rich or dirt poor. Also, even the hint of tampering with a Grand Jury will not go down well with the authorities. Many people with more influence, more power, more money, than LA ever though of having are in prison because of Grand Juries. LA just isn't the person you give him credit for being. He's not that powerful or rich that he can control these kind of things. My experience is that NO ONE is.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    dennisn wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    getting back on topic then. Think these comments show the investigation was shut down before it had run it's course. Kind of makes a mockery of the US legal system as money and power seem to matter more than the truth and breaking the law.
    I'm going to disagree because I actually do disagree. If you're refering to LA and his Grand Jury thing I'm thinking you don't know Grand Juries. They have sent to trail just about everyone who deserved it without reguard to whether they were famous politicions, famous gangsters, famous celebs, filthy rich or dirt poor. Also, even the hint of tampering with a Grand Jury will not go down well with the authorities. Many people with more influence, more power, more money, than LA ever though of having are in prison because of Grand Juries. LA just isn't the person you give him credit for being. He's not that powerful or rich that he can control these kind of things. My experience is that NO ONE is.
    "My experience"? How long did you go down for?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    FlipFlopper wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    getting back on topic then. Think these comments show the investigation was shut down before it had run it's course. Kind of makes a mockery of the US legal system as money and power seem to matter more than the truth and breaking the law.
    I'm going to disagree because I actually do disagree. If you're refering to LA and his Grand Jury thing I'm thinking you don't know Grand Juries. They have sent to trail just about everyone who deserved it without reguard to whether they were famous politicions, famous gangsters, famous celebs, filthy rich or dirt poor. Also, even the hint of tampering with a Grand Jury will not go down well with the authorities. Many people with more influence, more power, more money, than LA ever though of having are in prison because of Grand Juries. LA just isn't the person you give him credit for being. He's not that powerful or rich that he can control these kind of things. My experience is that NO ONE is.
    "My experience"? How long did you go down for?

    It's called listening to and reading the news. Ya gotta remember that here in the States, for whatever reasons, people just love to hear about the trials and tribulations
    of celeb's, politicians, gangsters, CEO's, pro athletes, and the like. So we're pretty much bombarded with any and all so called "celeb news". Especially if one of them is being investigated for whatever. In any case even the hint of jury tampering is something not even the most hardened criminal wants hanging over his head. You're much better off taking your chances with a Grand Jury than trying to "buy" or "threaten" your way out of it.
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    dennisn wrote:
    FlipFlopper wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    getting back on topic then. Think these comments show the investigation was shut down before it had run it's course. Kind of makes a mockery of the US legal system as money and power seem to matter more than the truth and breaking the law.
    I'm going to disagree because I actually do disagree. If you're refering to LA and his Grand Jury thing I'm thinking you don't know Grand Juries. They have sent to trail just about everyone who deserved it without reguard to whether they were famous politicions, famous gangsters, famous celebs, filthy rich or dirt poor. Also, even the hint of tampering with a Grand Jury will not go down well with the authorities. Many people with more influence, more power, more money, than LA ever though of having are in prison because of Grand Juries. LA just isn't the person you give him credit for being. He's not that powerful or rich that he can control these kind of things. My experience is that NO ONE is.
    "My experience"? How long did you go down for?

    It's called listening to and reading the news. Ya gotta remember that here in the States, for whatever reasons, people just love to hear about the trials and tribulations
    of celeb's, politicians, gangsters, CEO's, pro athletes, and the like. So we're pretty much bombarded with any and all so called "celeb news". Especially if one of them is being investigated for whatever. In any case even the hint of jury tampering is something not even the most hardened criminal wants hanging over his head. You're much better off taking your chances with a Grand Jury than trying to "buy" or "threaten" your way out of it.

    Do you actually believe the bull$hit you post? What in god's name does this mean -- "In any case even the hint of jury tampering is something not even the most hardened criminal wants hanging over his head."

    Actually, I apologize. You're probably very old and one should be nice to the elderly.

    I'm sorry, carry on. Lance is wonderful.
  • BikingBernie
    BikingBernie Posts: 2,163
    Armstrong also talks of wanting to win the Iron Man championship in the June edition of Men's Journal. And while he always has denied using PEDs he does confess to going on a bender in February, when federal prosecutors dropped an investigation of him that had lasted nearly two years.

    "We just got (expletive) plastered," Armstrong says. "About five of my buddies came over, and we just sat there and got hammered. I don't even remember the night . . . Tequila. Shots. I don't even remember getting to bed. I was that kind of drunk."
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... 7HsAb-4iHI

    I wonder why he should 'celebrate' in such a way if he always knew the investigation was going nowhere because 'there is nothing to find'. I wonder why he said "I thought I was f*cked" if there was nothing to find?

    As to the claim that federal investigations are never dropped when there is a case to answer...
    The prosecutors in Birotte's office had prepared a formal written recommendation on the evidence that supported the suggested charges. Sources familiar with the agents' work told ESPN.com that the prosecutors and agents were interviewing witnesses as late as last Thursday and Friday, as Birotte scheduled his announcement. They were anticipating an indictment in a few weeks and had no idea that their two years of work was about to come to a sudden end.
    http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/stor ... suspicious
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    DennisN shows the problem we are up against. As far as he is concerned, and i'm sure a lot of Americans feel the same, the GJ ran it's course and LA was cleared of all charges. It's only those on cycling sites like us that have looked into this further.

    Question for Dennis, if the GJ finished properly why were the team still working on it 30 minutes before Birrotte made his announcement ?

    LA hired Fabiani who used to work with the president so that is some political power there and also there was the alleged liverstrong payment to a charity that Birrotte supported
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    sherer wrote:
    DennisN shows the problem we are up against. As far as he is concerned, and i'm sure a lot of Americans feel the same, the GJ ran it's course and LA was cleared of all charges. It's only those on cycling sites like us that have looked into this further.

    Question for Dennis, if the GJ finished properly why were the team still working on it 30 minutes before Birrotte made his announcement ?

    ".....those on cycling sites like us that have looked into this further". So YOU have interviewed former and current team members of LA? YOU have gone over all the paperwork, and more, than the GJ did? YOU loked into areas that that GJ was ignorant of? Sorry, you'll have to do better than simply claim you're some super sleuth. If you know all this why didn't the GJ talk to YOU? Did you forget to tell them that you had all this relevent info and could prove it? Come back to reality.

    As for "...why were the team.....?" You're the one claiming to have looked into all this further. Surely you're the one to tell US. We would be most interested as to the insight you have into the "why" question.
  • B3rnieMac
    B3rnieMac Posts: 384
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.

    No, no, no! Forget that. There are far more important questions to be answered than that! Dennis, do you think the Olympic Road Race is a chipper?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,470
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.

    No, no, no! Forget that. There are far more important questions to be answered than that! Dennis, do you think the Olympic Road Race is a chipper?

    +1.

    Much more important question.

    Dennis. May I refer you to the following thread: viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12852762
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.

    What do I think(key word think - not KNOW) yes, most likely. People in PRO sports, of all sorts, will take all sorts of risks for the fame and fortune. After all, they are human, warts and all.
    Like I keep telling everyone, I'm not defending LA. Hell, I like a good conspiracy theory as well as anyone but if you're going to come up with one it's going to have to hold water under scrutiny.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.

    No, no, no! Forget that. There are far more important questions to be answered than that! Dennis, do you think the Olympic Road Race is a chipper?

    +1.

    Much more important question.

    Dennis. May I refer you to the following thread: viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12852762

    You're going to have to give me a week or two to sort through that thread. Glanced at it briefly and came away saying WTF. :wink:
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.

    No, no, no! Forget that. There are far more important questions to be answered than that! Dennis, do you think the Olympic Road Race is a chipper?

    I might have an opinion on that if I understood "chipper". American you know. :oops:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,470
    dennisn wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.

    No, no, no! Forget that. There are far more important questions to be answered than that! Dennis, do you think the Olympic Road Race is a chipper?

    +1.

    Much more important question.

    Dennis. May I refer you to the following thread: viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12852762

    You're going to have to give me a week or two to sort through that thread. Glanced at it briefly and came away saying WTF. :wink:

    http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2l4n ... 1_1280.png
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,657
    dennisn wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.

    No, no, no! Forget that. There are far more important questions to be answered than that! Dennis, do you think the Olympic Road Race is a chipper?

    I might have an opinion on that if I understood "chipper". American you know. :oops:

    The cynic in me would say it's a word that signifies the user is the same sort of person who whinges at people for wearing team jerseys....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • B3rnieMac
    B3rnieMac Posts: 384
    dennisn wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.

    What do I think(key word think - not KNOW) yes, most likely. People in PRO sports, of all sorts, will take all sorts of risks for the fame and fortune. After all, they are human, warts and all.
    Like I keep telling everyone, I'm not defending LA. Hell, I like a good conspiracy theory as well as anyone but if you're going to come up with one it's going to have to hold water under scrutiny.


    good. you think he doped, i think he doped. glad we're on the same page. and with that, i am slowly backing out of the thread and closing the door.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.

    What do I think(key word think - not KNOW) yes, most likely. People in PRO sports, of all sorts, will take all sorts of risks for the fame and fortune. After all, they are human, warts and all.
    Like I keep telling everyone, I'm not defending LA. Hell, I like a good conspiracy theory as well as anyone but if you're going to come up with one it's going to have to hold water under scrutiny.


    good. you think he doped, i think he doped. glad we're on the same page. and with that, i am slowly backing out of the thread and closing the door.
    Oh c'mon, we're just getting started. :wink:
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    ddraver wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.

    No, no, no! Forget that. There are far more important questions to be answered than that! Dennis, do you think the Olympic Road Race is a chipper?

    I might have an opinion on that if I understood "chipper". American you know. :oops:

    The cynic in me would say it's a word that signifies the user is the same sort of person who whinges at people for wearing team jerseys....

    Still confused, although I did give it some thought. Just not seeing what's happening. :| :oops:
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    dennisn wrote:
    I might have an opinion on that if I understood "chipper". American you know. :oops:

    I think Iainf72 should explain.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,657
    dennisn wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    let's stop beating around the bush here denny boy. do you think he doped? yes or no. simple answer here.

    No, no, no! Forget that. There are far more important questions to be answered than that! Dennis, do you think the Olympic Road Race is a chipper?

    I might have an opinion on that if I understood "chipper". American you know. :oops:

    The cynic in me would say it's a word that signifies the user is the same sort of person who whinges at people for wearing team jerseys....

    Still confused, although I did give it some thought. Just not seeing what's happening. :| :oops:

    Erm, well british so I'm not entirely sure what 'Fred' means when applied to a particular rider, but it's essentially the equivalent term for a particular race...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver

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