9 speed chain KMC v SRAM

cloudynights

blister pus wrote:

cloudynights wrote:

A chain is like a sacrificial hanger, has to be fit for purpose strong enough but if it's stronger than your bike
Frame damage will happen, so if a chain is stronger harder than the drive train it's interacting with it will wear out those parts quicker

KMC chains just have a better design, a design that significantly reduces undue chain stretch. They all use hardened chrome coatings with Zinc / Nickel type anti rust protection. KMC don't possess some magic coating. Use a decent dry lube regularly and the effect of any chain is significantly reduced. However there is no cure for any stretched chain causing excessive wear other than changing it.

where did you read kmc chains have a better design?
what makes me laugh is a lot of folk not all on here, when comes down to how materials wear, react, interact with each other, design, serviceability have no practical knowledge in there day to day jobs of how or why metals plastics rubbers really work, wont learn this sat in a office, you may know what your doing but not many know why there doing it
http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
interesting read

blister pus

Pay attention. I've already told you where I got it from. Experience and being a tight arse. I know exactly what works in the real world because I don't like throwing money away. And I'm well aware of what beardy bollocks has to say and some of it I agree with and some I don't and think's outdated.

Chunkers1980

You really do spout a load of utter guff. You work with motor bikes, which have little in common with light weight mtbs where most things have trade offs.

Anonymous

I keep saying, chains and their maintenance are like religion to some.

Just slap a chain on, oil it, and ride. If it breaks, power/missing-link it, if it's worn, replace it. End.

cloudynights

Chunkers1980 wrote:

You really do spout a load of utter guff. You work with motor bikes, which have little in common with light weight mtbs where most things have trade offs.[/quote


have you any ideas what Hope started out doing ?
and who works with bikes ?

Papa Ado

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

KMC. They're not made of soft cheese like Shimano and SRAM.

+1. Except we also make Shimano chains, so stick with KMC and Shimano and save the Sram for spreading on crackers.

In fact, KMC does have a superior design thanks to 100% R&D focus on chains.

YeehaaMcgee

I guess Shimano must be your Monday morning/Friday afternoon jobs then

cooldad

Or they just make them sh1t to flog more KMC. It's a conspiracy I tell you.

Papa Ado

Major conspiracy. Don't tell anyone tho, k?

mrmonkfinger

deadkenny wrote:

Just slap a chain on, oil it, and ride. If it breaks, power/missing-link it, if it's worn, replace it. End.

+root vegetable

cloudynights

its all a opinion :?:

Chunkers1980

No one is disputing that. It's an opinion based on their experiences and in the case of Papa Ado - he claims to work for them so will actually know some facts.

cooldad

I too claim to know some facts.





I don't, but I claim to.

cloudynights

mine is better than yours and yours is better than mine, companies claim it, end user likes to feel it, if it works for you great if not get one that does

YeehaaMcgee

cloudynights wrote:

mine is better than yours and yours is better than mine, companies claim it, end user likes to feel it, if it works for you great if not get one that does

Right. Well. I guess that makes this forum null and void then.
SONIIIIIIC! Shut this thing down. Turns out asking for people's opinions is pointless.

cloudynights

no, to say one chain is better than the other is pointless, there are far to many variables starting from wear the source material came from because it does change to the kinda style a rider has

Chunkers1980

No it's not. Not just about wear, they break too. Lots of experience from many people adds up if you sift out the shite talkers, like erm, can't think who?

cloudynights

Chunkers1980 wrote:

No it's not. Not just about wear, they break too. Lots of experience from many people adds up if you sift out the shite talkers, like erm, can't think who?

ok kid whatever

cooldad

You think kid is an insult? I would love to be a kid again.

YeehaaMcgee

CD, I think we've found another troll to play with

Anonymous

cloudynights wrote:

whatever

Oh No You Di'unt!

cloudynights

lol when i was a lad many moons ago a trol was a giant scary monster, im just a shortarse

benpinnick

Papa Ado wrote:

Major conspiracy. Don't tell anyone tho, k?

Seriously, why do Shimano chains break so often? I was out riding with Cooldad and some others two weeks back, and one of the guys Shimano chain broke (fairly new 10spd). He asked why I thought it broke, my answer was 'because it has Shimano written on it', an answer I stand by. Why do you make them so feeble?

mrmonkfinger

It didn't break by a join made by the rider did it?

The only time I've had Shimano chains "break" is when the pin has pulled from a plate. I guess using a chain tool to ram a pin through the plate just makes them slightly-the-wrong-shape or enlarges the hole a bit... leading to eventual failure at that point. Add missing link at broken point = chain ok again.

blister pus

Stretch or snap, Shimano are crap.


brought to you by poetry morning.

cooldad

mrmonkfinger wrote:

It didn't break by a join made by the rider did it?

The only time I've had Shimano chains "break" is when the pin has pulled from a plate. I guess using a chain tool to ram a pin through the plate just makes them slightly-the-wrong-shape or enlarges the hole a bit... leading to eventual failure at that point. Add missing link at broken point = chain ok again.

Nope newish bike and chain. But if that's the fix why don't Shimano simply supply chains with missing links instead of their stupid pins.

cooldad

benpinnick wrote:

Papa Ado wrote:

Major conspiracy. Don't tell anyone tho, k?

Seriously, why do Shimano chains break so often? I was out riding with Cooldad and some others two weeks back, and one of the guys Shimano chain broke (fairly new 10spd). He asked why I thought it broke, my answer was 'because it has Shimano written on it', an answer I stand by. Why do you make them so feeble?

ps I think it was a 9 speed, because I was out of links, and DK only had 10 speed for his new toys, which is why we faffed for so long until you arrive with the 'keyring'.

Anonymous

Gave away the last of my 9 speed links. All I ever seem to do with the spare links is give them to other people.

cooldad

deadkenny wrote:

Gave away the last of my 9 speed links. All I ever seem to do with the spare links is give them to other people.

So you do have some use.

mrmonkfinger

cooldad wrote:

Nope newish bike and chain. But if that's the fix why don't Shimano simply supply chains with missing links instead of their stupid pins.

No idea - the 'use once' pins are t*ss.

KMC or SRAM for me these days = free magic link widget.