How much is he pushing...

MonkeyMonster

I suspect it's locked...

asprilla

613kg if I remember rightly.

rick_chasey

It's not - when this came up over on pro-race a while back it was something like 600 odd kg?

rick_chasey

Rick Chasey wrote:

It's not - when this came up over on pro-race a while back it was something like 600 odd kg?

http://roadcyclinguk.com/blogs/weight-t ... -2012.html

He does 5 reps of 631kg....

asprilla

I had the right numbers, just the wrong order: 631kg.

rick_chasey

Asprilla wrote:

I had the right numbers, just the wrong order: 631kg.

i was saying it's not to the (is it locked) thing .

bigmat

Power! I usually do around 3 sets of 200kg, run out of weights after that (and don't have a mate handy to sit on the top!). Will see if I can do that with one leg, get an idea how close I could get to 600kg for a couple of reps.

Origamist

There was a story (possibly apocryphal or just another an internet meme) from a few years ago that described how the Australian track coach was using film of Hoy as a spur to push his team harder. The clip contained footage of Hoy riding at the limit, collapsing, and then retching at the side of the track after a beast of a training session...

I am dissapoint when I don't see more aspirant SCRers vomiting at Chelsea Bridge lights in pursuit of such ideals...

meanredspider

BigMat wrote:

Power! .

Oooh god, don't let the guys from the Road section hear you use that word in relation to that picture!

I've had no end of trouble in discussions about power & strength but, to be fair, in relation to "endurance cycling" - and some of the discussions make the helmet debates look tame

bompington

Origamist wrote:

There was a story (possibly apocryphal or just another an internet meme) from a few years ago that described how the Australian track coach was using film of Hoy as a spur to push his team harder. The clip contained footage of Hoy riding at the limit, collapsing, and then retching at the side of the track after a beast of a training session...

rick_chasey

My bones would probably snap if I tried to do that.

PBo

Rick Chasey wrote:

My bones would probably snap if I tried to do that.

...but to be fair, you probably look better in red trousers....

rick_chasey

PBo wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

My bones would probably snap if I tried to do that.

...but to be fair, you probably look better in red trousers....

Always an up side.

bompington

notsoblue

bompington wrote:

Origamist wrote:

There was a story (possibly apocryphal or just another an internet meme) from a few years ago that described how the Australian track coach was using film of Hoy as a spur to push his team harder. The clip contained footage of Hoy riding at the limit, collapsing, and then retching at the side of the track after a beast of a training session...

Thats a good idea actually, I might put a little mat by the side of the road at the end of the Queen's Ride/Bolan Bridge segment.

okgo

Its a lot, but at any decent gym you'll find a few people more than capable of it.

bompington

okgo wrote:

Its a lot, but at any decent gym you'll find a few people more than capable of it.

The basic point of the discussions mentioned above was that absolute strength is only of limited use to a cyclist, even a track sprinter - you need it to accelerate hard from standstill, but once you're moving at any speed, it's power that counts, and that's a very different thing.

I could push over 200kg on each leg as a schoolboy rugby player, which would probably snap me these days, but I'll bet that my power output on a bike is more now than it was then.

bigmat

I dunno, 630kg is an awful lot. I'm generally one of the stronger legged people I see in the gym (I don't really tend to do much "strength" work as my legs are prone to get ridiculously large from minimal training) and I doubt I could get anywhere near that. If there are people floating around with legs twice as strong as mine, I have never spotted them!

okgo

Obviously it depends on your gym.

But there are a fair few guys in mine that would do this (or have) but obviously the excersise is almost a total waste of time if you have access to a squat rack so not many bother.

bompington - what is the difference between power and strength? I see what you're saying, but I think being stronger will give you more power?

Kieran_Burns

I really can't see the point and if I tried to push that much I'd just sh*t my brain out my arse.

bompington

okgo wrote:

what is the difference between power and strength? I see what you're saying, but I think being stronger will give you more power?

Power is strength at speed. Think of it this way - how much force can you put on the pedals when you're just setting off, compared to when you're going at a cadence of 100?

clarkey cat

I might get an olympics ring tattoo.

notsoblue

clarkey cat wrote:

I might get an olympics ring tattoo.

Tramp stamp?

clarkey cat

get on your bike.

literally. I'm leaving now.

want some easy scalps.

EKE_38BPM

bompington wrote:

okgo wrote:

what is the difference between power and strength? I see what you're saying, but I think being stronger will give you more power?

Power is strength at speed. Think of it this way - how much force can you put on the pedals when you're just setting off, compared to when you're going at a cadence of 100?

Sounds like you're getting close to describing torque.
Power is being able to stamp hard on the pedals from a standing start, but torque is being able to keep accelerating at 100 rpm+.

Think of the film The Incredibles.
In this clip, Dash is punching a henchman repeatedly, but with not much behind each punch, so the henchman is not dazed and can fight back. I think I'm right in saying its a relatively high torque, but low power attack.
But a steam train delivers massive power with each 'chuff', but there is only a 'chuff' every second or so at start up. Its like a boxer who has a massive haymaker, but can only deliver three punches a round.
Get the balance between power and torque right and you get to advertise Gillette Pro Glide as well as leg press your coach and a few of his favourite big lumps of metal.

mouth

That's ridiculous. I used to be able to do 5x300kg or so but I couldn't imagine getting near that kind of weight.

bompington

EKE_38BPM wrote:

Sounds like you're getting close to describing torque.
Power is being able to stamp hard on the pedals from a standing start, but torque is being able to keep accelerating at 100 rpm+.

No, torque (look at the animation on the right, for some strange reason ;-) I can't embed it here) is just force that turns something around an axle.
You've actually got it completely the wrong way round, because torque is the force that turns the pedals - and imagine a standing start with the brakes on: you might be able to generate a lot of force on the pedals, i.e. torque, or strength, but if you aren't moving you are generating zero power.
Most of us are familiar with torque & power in car engines - my diesel Skoda, like most diesels, has high torque but relatively low power: the high torque means that it can pull a caravan easily, and accelerate scarily fast - but as the revs increase, it is not capable of keeping up the same torque - which would require greater power.

meanredspider

Yup - Bompington has it right

The two are inextricably linked - basically

power = torque x RPM

You can increase power either by applying more torque or more RPM

The problem with diesels is that the the physics of the combustion mean the rpm is limited. In a petrol engine you can advance the spark to optimise the timing of combustion.

Anyhow, the purists will argue that "strength" is the maximal force applied which, by definition, is stationary and therefore doesn't mean anything to power (ie no RPM). The argument continues that you apply nothing even close to this force in "endurance" cycling so "strength" has no relation to power in this type of cycling. Power in these circumstances is limited by aerobic fitness. Chris Hoy though is different - he only generates the power for very short spells.

kelsen

Have I inadvertently wandered into Pistonheads?

rick_chasey

kelsen wrote:

Have I inadvertently wandered into Pistonheads?

Can you see a hundred page thread on take me out?

okgo

Pistonheads is a lot less liberal than here. It's why I like it.