Alivio or Deore?

rolf_f

Apologies for this folks. After a rear mech for my tourer but I reckon I'll get a more immediate response here than anyone else.

Bike is a 1990 Dawes Horizon and I need a new (long cage) mech for it. I like to keep things as period as possible so I don't want a mech that looks like it is made out of barbed wire like most current models.

So, I'm thinking either one of these for £30 (which looks fairly inoffensive):



Or this one which maybe looks the part a bit more but perhaps the bike deserves better! This would be about £20. I do a lot of miles so durability counts.

bennett_346

How is this even a question? Choose the one you want and are willing to pay for.

rolf_f

bennett_346 wrote:

How is this even a question? Choose the one you want and are willing to pay for.

So shall we close down the Buying advice forum now then?! On the grounds that your response can be used for every single thread here...... Do you post this on all threads?

Seriously, I'm asking for advice here thanks......

cooldad

The Alivio will do everything you want and last as long as the Deore.

bennett_346

Rolf F wrote:

bennett_346 wrote:

How is this even a question? Choose the one you want and are willing to pay for.

So shall we close down the Buying advice forum now then?! On the grounds that your response can be used for every single thread here...... Do you post this on all threads?

Seriously, I'm asking for advice here thanks......

Haven't seen such a simple question asked on here in a long time.

rolf_f

bennett_346 wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

bennett_346 wrote:

How is this even a question? Choose the one you want and are willing to pay for.

So shall we close down the Buying advice forum now then?! On the grounds that your response can be used for every single thread here...... Do you post this on all threads?

Seriously, I'm asking for advice here thanks......

Haven't seen such a simple question asked on here in a long time.

Oh ffs. How dim are you? All I want to know is if the Alivio is less durable than the Deore - so that I can make a decision as to which one to buy based on all the facts I need to know. If you are too stupid to understand that out, why are you responding to questions asking for help at all? If the question is so simple, can you provide me with an easily located link that says, as cooldad helpfully responded, that the Alivio is as durable as the Deore?

And you can't have even been on here for a long time if you haven't seen 'such a simple question asked' on here lately. Or would you be less offended if I asked the mods to move this to 'beginners'?...... Muppet.

cooldad - thanks. Much appreciated.

bennett_346

Rolf F wrote:

bennett_346 wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

bennett_346 wrote:

How is this even a question? Choose the one you want and are willing to pay for.

So shall we close down the Buying advice forum now then?! On the grounds that your response can be used for every single thread here...... Do you post this on all threads?

Seriously, I'm asking for advice here thanks......

Haven't seen such a simple question asked on here in a long time.

Oh ffs. How dim are you? All I want to know is if the Alivio is less durable than the Deore - so that I can make a decision as to which one to buy based on all the facts I need to know. If you are too stupid to understand that out, why are you responding to questions asking for help at all? If the question is so simple, can you provide me with an easily located link that says, as cooldad helpfully responded, that the Alivio is as durable as the Deore?

And you can't have even been on here for a long time if you haven't seen 'such a simple question asked' on here lately.

cooldad - thanks. Much appreciated.

I love when the commuters migrate forums, oh it is entertaining

rolf_f

bennett_346 wrote:

I love when the commuters migrate forums, oh it is entertaining

I post on MTB, Road and commuting fwiw and posted here before you were even a member. I concede that I am not much of a mountain biker so I come on here asking the sort of advice that I like to provide on the road and commuting forums. So what is your point? Have you thought of trying to be helpful?

And you still haven't provided me with that link that would have answered my question without me having to have posted here.

benpinnick

Theyre all much of a muchness. If you want to go authentic, then maybe a roadie mech would suit, Wiggle have a Sora for £25 - its alivio equivalent but just plain silver rather than the grandma's Rover 200 Champagne and black look of the alivio.

rolf_f

benpinnick wrote:

Theyre all much of a muchness. If you want to go authentic, then maybe a roadie mech would suit, Wiggle have a Sora for £25 - its alivio equivalent but just plain silver rather than the grandma's Rover 200 Champagne and black look of the alivio.

Ahh well, I was originally planning to go Sora long cage but I was told that they couldn't handle a touring triple - 48-38-28 plus 12-28 cassette. And the other option was sourcing a used (1990s) XT mech but I can't be doing with ebay auctions at the moment! I understand those are fairly indestructable.

benpinnick

I's have thought the SGS would be fine. A GS would be troublesome though you are right. You can get away with the difference (37T is ok I think) but the max rear on a GS is something silly like 27. As for an old second hand mech, I probably have one knocking around! Let me wonder to the garage and see....

benpinnick

Fraid not. One 6 or 7 year XT but thats it. Its not so fruitful in the garage since I let Cooldad at it.

rolf_f

Lol - thanks for looking! Incidentally, I hadn't picked up on the odd colour of the Alivio so that ones out!

These were the kind of XTs I was looking at but they tend to end up making about £20 inc postage which makes me think I might as well get a new mech.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimano-Deore ... 4ab549a1c8

benpinnick

Actually, If you want something like that, how about:

http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/shim ... aid:144623

cooldad

Old XT are not indestructible. I've destructed a couple in my time.
Sora is no good, capacity is 31 teeth, you have 36.

@Ben - thought I was doing you a favour tidying up your garage. Think the mech went on thel33ter's (ex)single speed frankenbike.

benpinnick

Was I complaining? Just commenting that where there once was piles of stuff, there now is order (well, not really but I like to think so).

rolf_f

cooldad wrote:

Old XT are not indestructible. I've destructed a couple in my time.

Was that in a delicate 'how did that happen whilst I was gently pedalling along the promenade' way or a "thrashing through a Dalby black run and ripping it off on a lump of gritstone" kind of a way?

The new Deore is gaining a healthy lead.......

benpinnick

@cooldad - Ive built up the frankencube now, so if Thel33ter wants that Azonic frame, hes welcome to collect it. I warn you though, the SS dropouts will drive you mental.

cooldad

If you want to clear out consider it taken. He loved it on that S Downs ride he used it on. Sure we've got enough bits lying around to build it up.

cooldad

Rolf F wrote:

cooldad wrote:

Old XT are not indestructible. I've destructed a couple in my time.

Was that in a delicate 'how did that happen whilst I was gently pedalling along the promenade' way or a "thrashing through a Dalby black run and ripping it off on a lump of gritstone" kind of a way?

The new Deore is gaining a healthy lead.......

Er not exactly pootling along the promenade, although I wouldn't say hurtling down black runs neither. Probably because I'm a bit rubbish and fall off.

The Rookie

Of the 2, go with the Deore.....
My Daughter has an old 1990's XT on her Dirty Jo......although it's a little triggers broom as the inner cage and Jockeys are off a later LX.

Have a mid 2000's LX that looks similar to that Deore (apart from the inevitable scuffs) I may be willing to part with....

Simon

Giraffoto

I've got a relatively new long-cage Alivio mech in my spares drawer - it came off an 8-speed hybrid with a triple chainset. PM me if you want it, I also have a few other drivetrain bits and bobs from the same source

passout

Deore, because it's better.

Agree that Sora would be a good choice too.

cooldad

passout wrote:

Deore, because it's better.

Agree that Sora would be a good choice too.

It won't because it doesn't have the range.

rolf_f

Thanks for the very kind offers Giraffoto & The Beginner. Unfortunately, I am now off on another track

I have a taste for old Suntour (I have an old Raleigh full of Suntour Cyclone and although the Dawes won't get anything of that class, I think the 90s Suntour stuff was still pretty good and a change from Shimano) so I'm going to see what I can find on those lines over the coming week and if nothing suitable crops up, may well consider a deal on here!

sloppycowpat

Ny brother has been through 4 alivio mechs in the time I have had 1 deore on the rat/ commuter i do more miles and and a competent mechanic so may be down to that, however the jockey wheels seem to have more potential material to wear down on the alivio so if looked after may last better

personally though i would go with the deore as they look better and last ages

rolf_f

Thanks to all for the advice. So, in the end, after much thought, I ended up with:



Sorry, I really can't help myself. The used Suntour XCE rear and XCM front mech came from a bloke on Retrobike for £15 and the unused one in the middle came the same day via Ebay for £15.50.

So for a couple of quid more than the new Deore, I have a spare front mech and two Suntour rears which look pretty good. They definitely seem to belong to the pre SR era in terms of engineering quality.

So, which of the pics below applies......




Thanks for the help folks. If the Suntours let me down, I will be getting a Deore......

bennett_346

Your foolish loss.

rolf_f

bennett_346 wrote:

Your foolish loss.

Make your mind up - I was following your advice!

bennett_346 wrote:

How is this even a question? Choose the one you want and are willing to pay for.

PS - kudos for the instantanous response. Have you been waiting all week for me to update? I mean, 1 minute?!!

bennett_346

Rolf F wrote:

bennett_346 wrote:

Your foolish loss.

Make your mind up - I was following your advice!

bennett_346 wrote:

How is this even a question? Choose the one you want and are willing to pay for.

PS - kudos for the instantanous response. Have you been waiting all week for me to update? I mean, 1 minute?!!

I retract my statement. I'm simply amazed anyone is willing to pay for suntour equipment, especially at a greater cost than new deore would be.

Ouija

Go with the Alivio. Had about three on my 8 speed bikes with 26-26-48 and 28-38-48 touring gears. Got over 22,000 miles out of them so they can't be that bad (compared to the cheaper acera). Got Deore on both of those bikes at the moment and they are equally as good but come across as a bit flimsier (but gear shifting is pretty much the same).