Hilly or undulating?
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No, this is undulating at a mere 830ft per 10 miles. Though it seemed to take me rather longer than the Tour of Britain riders last September.thegibdog wrote:Doesn't look that hilly to me though, I'd say that's very undulating.
Possibly, but that would spoil the fun.sub55 wrote:but im sure you appriciate what i was saying.0 -
Ah yes, but there's a difference between Undulating and Very Undulating. Your 60 miler has too few Hills in it to be a Hilly Ride, it is mainly Undulations with a few Sharp Rises and Long Drags thrown in.briantrumpet wrote:0 -
sub55 wrote:Bobbinogs wrote:Yepp, agree with Pross although I work in metres
An average w/e ride for me is about 100k each so <1,000m of climbing is a treat (so saved for sunny Sundays), ~1,500 is undulating and >2,000 is hilly (and best endured through gritted teeth on miserable Saturdays).
Like so often on here , i think some are deluding themselves! Lets see some links to these hilly routes.
Happen to live in one of the hilliest areas of the country and just plotted one or two loops to see . Once you go over 40 odd miles and make it a loop , its nigh on impossible to end up with more than 1000ft in ten miles. As a whole.
Can do it as a hill climb repeats but even that takes some finding.
I class most of my rides as undulating or lumpy for the reason you state. I have about 10 miles at each end of a loop that are flattish which knackers the average. From my parents I can do a loop that is easily classed as hilly though. Here's some hilly linear routes from the summer though.
http://ridewithgps.com/trips/299705
http://ridewithgps.com/trips/309481
An undulating ride due to flat start and finish
http://ridewithgps.com/trips/352982 0 -
I usually go by the 1000 feet per 10 miles rules/give or take a couple of hundred feet each way, but it is definately subjective, for example I rode this ride last week http://app.strava.com/rides/4457679 40 miles with about 3400ft of climbing, hardly mountainous but most of the climbing was done in 5 steep climbs which were linked together with fairly flat/downhill sections, which meant the ride felt hilly to me as there was plenty of gritting of the teeth and using the granny ring.0
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I think a proper hilly ride should have NO flat bits. Up or down or simply don't bother.0
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sub55 wrote:Bobbinogs wrote:Yepp, agree with Pross although I work in metres
An average w/e ride for me is about 100k each so <1,000m of climbing is a treat (so saved for sunny Sundays), ~1,500 is undulating and >2,000 is hilly (and best endured through gritted teeth on miserable Saturdays).
Like so often on here , i think some are deluding themselves! Lets see some links to these hilly routes.
Happen to live in one of the hilliest areas of the country and just plotted one or two loops to see . Once you go over 40 odd miles and make it a loop , its nigh on impossible to end up with more than 1000ft in ten miles. As a whole.
Can do it as a hill climb repeats but even that takes some finding.
So, here are my last 4 long rides (2 per week):
1 flat:
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/961489 (I did this one on 26th)
2 undulating:
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/932636 (I did this one on the 19th))
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/690733 (I did this one anti-cockwise on 25th)
1 hilly:
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/967905 (I did this one on 16th, half term treat!)
All enjoyable, no self delusion 0 -
Bobbinogs wrote:
So, here are my last 4 long rides (2 per week):
1 flat:
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/961489 (I did this one on 26th)
2 undulating:
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/932636 (I did this one on the 19th))
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/690733 (I did this one anti-cockwise on 25th)
1 hilly:
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/967905 (I did this one on 16th, half term treat!)
All enjoyable, no self delusion
The last ride around N. Devon is a corker. You must have legs like a pair of Newcomen engines.
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So would you class this as hilly or undulating? Most of the climbing is done in one go but it does meet the 1000ft/10 mile rule.
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/968030
I'm looking to use this as a training loop I've not ridden it yet.0 -
Peddle Up! wrote:The last ride around N. Devon is a corker. You must have legs like a pair of Newcomen engines.
Heh heh, not quite. The route was the softer option as it had two bailouts (took the lovely toll road and avoided Porlock hill and then went up Watersmeet instead of the coastal road out of Lynton/Lynmouth). All good fun though.OwenB wrote:So would you class this as hilly or undulating? Most of the climbing is done in one go but it does meet the 1000ft/10 mile rule.
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/968030
I don't think it really matters Owen. Someone living in norfolk would call it an alpine challenge!
If you want to be able to use it as a reference for average speeds against someone else who has also done a flat/undulating/hilly ride then the only real way is to do the same route on the same day at roughly the same time (it's called a time trial ). The point is that it looks like a nice route (I bet the scenary is lovely) and it would make a good training loop as you could go around twice if you got home with energy to spare... and it is not too long such that you could crack off the odd single loop after work in the summer and use the time as a reference on your progress. Enjoy the suffering mate, that's all that counts 0 -
To be honest it's nothing to do with speed averages, I know I'm slow whatever the course. The thread on here a couple of weeks ago where people were talking about 50 mile time trial speeds on hilly terrain got me thinking about it more and I'd hate to claim a hilly ride somewhere and then get pulled up because it's only undulating
The suffering is plenty around here and you're right the scenery can be beautiful I'm stuck between the coast and the lakes.
Still aiming towards my first 50 and this loop will be good practice for the loop I have planned which takes in Hardnott and Wrynose.0 -
I think Hilly is a relative term. When I started hilly was anytime I got into the lowest gear. Now those same rides are powered over and I have a new hilly where I get into my lowest gear. But even this would be flat for contador so it is all relative.
Just say hilly for me.
Who cares what the other guy thinks? Are you riding for you, the applause or for the other guy to think you hard.
I cycle with my son, so I am always beaten to the top of any hill. Usually by a big enough margin that he can stop , have a flapjack, get his camera out and photograph me as I come up to the top. Unfortunately all the photographs are of me pouring sweat, panting and about to keel over! I call any ride with him hilly, he calls them undulating!
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