Now, forgive me if I'm wrong...

lawman

... but this makes seems like the worst argument for suspension ever...

its not 4bar, faux link is 4 bar and all though types of bikes. this is VPP, just wasnt going there to keep things simple, there are only 3 links out there any way, NO MATTER how they are worded or marketed, there is vpp, link drvien single pivot and single pivot

the tool in question later states and i quote...

all physics and test data from all companies show this is a bad idea, a rearward axlepath with idler is by far THE BEST arrangement for any full sus frame. no matter then application.

Completely irrelevant, but I can't actually believe this guy is for real!

supersonic

I was with ya until it started! Any links?

lawman

aye, should work

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... hoto_reply

surprise, surprise it all started with your favourite bike of the moment :P

mak3m

man you wont let this argument drop :P

supersonic

Wow, don't even know how to start with that lot!

lawman

mak3m wrote:

man you wont let this argument drop :P

because he's just wrong and a total tool!! and yet still despite the fact I have provided him with supers frankly excellent articles for WMB as references he probably still won't admit he's wrong...

All bikes with an idler are the way forward... yeah and pigs fly...

lawman

supersonic wrote:

Wow, don't even know how to start with that lot!

see what I mean, what kind of deluded tool is he?!

mak3m

lol props for guessing what he rode

Hole in one

lawman

mak3m wrote:

lol props for guessing what he rode

Hole in one

It was just a feeling I had by the way he spoke trust someone who owns an orange to claim he knows all there is to know about suspension

timpop

[silence]

lawman

it gets better....

all i can say is fucking well done and proving every single one of my points and none of yours with your own links, well done you fucking genius!

some odd people out there!!

angry_bird

I don't know what you're complaining about. He has an orange 5. They're the bestest most good bikes with simply the most brilliant suspension platform in the world that does everything perfectly ever ever ever no arguement hands down. How dare you disagree with him.

supersonic

Ask him where he plans to put the idler, what size is the cog and what chainline he is using when calculating anti squat? Or is he just guessing it is better?

lawman

LOL i do feel sorry for mate who originally posted the pic

ilovedirt

I feel sorry for anyone who really cares about this stuff THAT much.

lawman

ilovedirt wrote:

I feel sorry for anyone who really cares about this stuff THAT much.

Its only cos he's so wrong typical orange owner

ilovedirt

lawman wrote:

ilovedirt wrote:

I feel sorry for anyone who really cares about this stuff THAT much.

Its only cos he's so wrong typical orange owner

Hey now! I've just bought another orange frame... :roll:
Haha, my theory is, if you can ride well on a bike that's not that amazing, you can ride well on anything! (and i didn't pay silly money for this new one either, before you say anything, sod paying brand new orange prices)

Mental Mickey

Hijack post here, but can anyone tell me about the bike stand pictured on that facebook link?

Looks a simple design that may not cost the earth, and just what I'm looking for.

Anyone know where I can get one, or anything similar?

lawman

aye, looks like an andy stand - http://andystand.co.uk/

about 40 quid, which seems abit dear tbh

Mental Mickey

lawman wrote:

aye, looks like an andy stand - http://andystand.co.uk/

about 40 quid, which seems abit dear tbh

Yes at 40 quid, it does seem a little expensive for what it is, I'm trying to avoid paying out much more for one of those proper stands, although to be fair, they are better value for the money than that simple piece of metal.

Think this calls for one of those home made D.I.Y attempts, I'm sure I can make something similar.

Mental Mickey

Just found a video demonstrating the Andy Stand, comedy gold at 6 seconds into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3lRRJKhOdo

bails87

What's an idler, btw?

lawman

bails87 wrote:

What's an idler, btw?

essentially re-routes the chain, from what I understand, like the empire ap1 or K9





seeing as he owns an ornage, its no wonder he likes such fugly pieces of shite

jairaj

Its an extra jockey wheel positioned on the chain stay to counter act against chain growth. The only example I know of is the Corsair Marque but im no bike geek so there maybe loads of them.

There is a bit more info here:
http://www.corsairbikes.com/marque.html

*edit- doesn't have to be on the chain stay, as per Lawmans example above.

lawman

jairaj wrote:

Its an extra jockey wheel positioned on the chain stay to counter act against chain growth. The only example I know of is the Corsair Marque but im no bike geek so there maybe loads of them.

There is a bit more info here:
http://www.corsairbikes.com/marque.html

*edit- doesn't have to be on the chain stay, as per Lawmans example above.

interestingly had two decent rides on the corsair... it was absolutely shite!

bluechair84

jairaj wrote:

*edit- doesn't have to be on the chain stay, as per Lawmans example above.

Though, as a jockey above the chainstay will fulfil a completely different role to one underneath, it's sensible that they have different names - I'd call one below a chain tensioner. One above changes the chain line and anti-squat characterisitcs.