Strava Climbing Competition

sub55
sub55 Posts: 1,025
edited May 2012 in Training, fitness and health
that's about 18,000 feet a day
do you really think there's no cheating going on
constantly reavalueating the situation and altering the perceived parameters accordingly
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  • RoadMeridaBen
    RoadMeridaBen Posts: 265
    joe2008 wrote:
    do you really think there's no cheating going on
    Yes I do, for a start check your math:

    2 million in 365 days is 5480 per day. Pretty doable if you're that way inclined.

    350,000 in about 50 days is around 7000 a day, again pretty doable.

    Then check his pages http://app.strava.com/athletes/2919 and http://toonecycling.wordpress.com

    where he goes into incredible detail about his riding/climbing. I believe he has ridden every foot he says he has.

    Are you really saying he'l be doing that all year with no rest days? im with sub on this one, sounds like a load of bollocks
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  • Pseudonym
    Pseudonym Posts: 1,032
    it's certainly feasible - especially as the guy seems like a very capable and accomplished racer, and considering where he lives. I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand - in fact I'd probably give him the benefit of the doubt...
  • vs
    vs Posts: 468
    RoadMeridaBen wrote:
    Are you really saying he'l be doing that all year with no rest days? im with sub on this one, sounds like a load of bollocks

    I think if you look at his commute/effort yesterday, that would be a rest day http://app.strava.com/rides/4347978 http://app.strava.com/rides/4347975

    but still 3500 feet of climbing in 20 odd miles. If he just did this 5 days a week he would be close to a million feet climbing a year.

    So all he has to do is 20,000 feet each weekend, pretty easy if you live where he does and take it easy (which I'm sure he doesn't all the time) during the week.

    Bingo 2 million feet climbed per year. Where's the doubt?
  • vs
    vs Posts: 468
    edited February 2012
    vs wrote:
    RoadMeridaBen wrote:
    Are you really saying he'l be doing that all year with no rest days? im with sub on this one, sounds like a load of bollocks

    I think if you look at his commute/effort yesterday, that would be a rest day http://app.strava.com/rides/4347978 http://app.strava.com/rides/4347975

    but still 3500 feet of climbing in 20 odd miles. If he just did this 5 days a week he would be close to a million feet climbing a year.

    So all he has to do is 20,000 feet each weekend, pretty easy if you live where he does and take it easy during the week.

    Bingo! 2 million feet climbed per year.

    If you factor in holidays (he's a lecturer at uni :wink: ), training during the week etc that would bring down the amount needed at the weekend substantially.

    Where's the doubt?
  • vs
    vs Posts: 468
    double post :oops:
  • sub55
    sub55 Posts: 1,025
    Alright then , i got my maths wrong, im a prat.
    Still dont necessarily believe it though. Sure you can ride those sort of ascents on consecutive days . But do you really think anybody going to do it everyday, come rain or shine , holidays. So no work . possibly unwell etc.
    Once you drop a day , theres no way your going to pull it back. Also , if you look at the power outputs , 5 min at 647w
    and 10 min at 582w . They`re the sort of figures you`ll see if you put the garmin in the car.
    constantly reavalueating the situation and altering the perceived parameters accordingly
  • doyler78
    doyler78 Posts: 1,951
    I would say anyone putting in those sorts of stats that others in the area thought from knowing this person were unbelievable Strava would have pulled them by now. For that reason I'll believe it until someone proves it otherwise.
  • vs
    vs Posts: 468
    Don't worry about the power. Mine are 607 and 467 :oops: (definitely done on a bike) and I'm no Cat 1 (which he is).

    Perhaps take some time and have a good look at the links joe2008 posted to his Strava account and blog before dismissing his credibility. He's dedicated enough that's for sure.

    He won the Strava KOM year long challenge, including most months. I'm sure if he wasn't for real he would have been sussed in that time.
  • doyler78
    doyler78 Posts: 1,951
    vs was you power calculated by Strava as opposed recorded by power meter? My calculated power is for 5 & 10 mins is miles over estimated by Strava. It was calculated using a day where I had a very nice tail wind. The guy in questions power was calculated from a power meter therefore, assuming it is properly calibrated, will be accurate for him.
  • vs
    vs Posts: 468
    doyler78 wrote:
    vs was you power calculated by Strava as opposed recorded by power meter? My calculated power is for 5 & 10 mins is miles over estimated by Strava. It was calculated using a day where I had a very nice tail wind. The guy in questions power was calculated from a power meter therefore, assuming it is properly calibrated, will be accurate for him.

    Yeah Strava and miles over estimated for sure.

    Both mine http://app.strava.com/rides/3083787#81398584 (done at ave HR of 129 I've just noticed :shock: ) http://app.strava.com/rides/3083787#81398585 were done on the same piece of Welsh valley road in 2008 probably with a howling gale behind me.
  • vs
    vs Posts: 468
    vs wrote:
    doyler78 wrote:
    The guy in questions power was calculated from a power meter therefore, assuming it is properly calibrated, will be accurate for him.

    Both his were recorded in races, so I doubt he was in a car.
  • dawebbo
    dawebbo Posts: 456
    The power data is clearly wrong if you look at the graphs. Either way looks like the rest is legit, impressive that he can be arsed to climb that big hill every day!
  • doyler78
    doyler78 Posts: 1,951
    dawebbo wrote:
    The power data is clearly wrong if you look at the graphs. Either way looks like the rest is legit, impressive that he can be arsed to climb that big hill every day!

    Yeah that would be very impressive power indeed. I don't know whose I was looking because I see reasonable numbers :D In any case those are calculated power numbers so no big surprise there then. His other rides that I was flicking through contain proper power data and it looks much more reasonable.
  • RoadMeridaBen
    RoadMeridaBen Posts: 265
    sub55 wrote:
    Alright then , i got my maths wrong, im a prat.
    Still dont necessarily believe it though. Sure you can ride those sort of ascents on consecutive days . But do you really think anybody going to do it everyday, come rain or shine , holidays. So no work . possibly unwell etc.
    Once you drop a day , theres no way your going to pull it back. Also , if you look at the power outputs , 5 min at 647w
    and 10 min at 582w . They`re the sort of figures you`ll see if you put the garmin in the car.

    Thats exactly what im saying, if you miss one week from illness the amount you have to do to make up for that is massive, still looks a load of ballsocks to me :P (power looks dodgy)
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  • vs
    vs Posts: 468
    RoadMeridaBen wrote:

    Thats exactly what im saying, if you miss one week from illness the amount you have to do to make up for that is massive, still looks a load of ballsocks to me :P (power looks dodgy)

    It really depends where you live - what looks a large amount of climbing can be achieved relatively easily if you live in the right place.

    For example:

    I live on Exmoor. I've cycled 701 miles and have climbed 94,484 feet this year. http://app.strava.com/athletes/197237

    By comparison you have ridden 640 miles, just 61 miles less than me, and climbed 36,812 feet, that's a difference of nearly 60,000 feet in just 700 miles - and you're cycling in the Brecon Beacons!! hardly the flatlands.

    A third of the 80 hours recorded on my Strava account were spent on rollers where no distance was recorded so I'm not quite that slow :wink:

    I've just noticed that we're just 6 miles apart on our 'all time' Strava mileage :) My Garmin 305 overwrote most of my rides before I knew about Strava and was bothered about uploading them somewhere. I just uploaded big rides to Garmin Connect and any that hadn't been overwritten at that time - looking at the gaps in your uploads I guess you may have had a similar issue?
  • sub55
    sub55 Posts: 1,025
    RoadMeridaBen wrote:
    sub55 wrote:
    Alright then , i got my maths wrong, im a prat.
    Still dont necessarily believe it though. Sure you can ride those sort of ascents on consecutive days . But do you really think anybody going to do it everyday, come rain or shine , holidays. So no work . possibly unwell etc.
    Once you drop a day , theres no way your going to pull it back. Also , if you look at the power outputs , 5 min at 647w
    and 10 min at 582w . They`re the sort of figures you`ll see if you put the garmin in the car.

    Thats exactly what im saying, if you miss one week from illness the amount you have to do to make up for that is massive, still looks a load of ballsocks to me :P (power looks dodgy)

    Thats a fair ride you got there on black mountain ben. Congrats on that . Dont know if we`ve met, certainly cant put a face to the name. But if we have , my appologies. I happen to be running the welsh hill climb champs on that very road in september , if you fancy putting yourself up against some of the fit buggers.
    constantly reavalueating the situation and altering the perceived parameters accordingly
  • RoadMeridaBen
    RoadMeridaBen Posts: 265
    vs wrote:
    RoadMeridaBen wrote:

    Thats exactly what im saying, if you miss one week from illness the amount you have to do to make up for that is massive, still looks a load of ballsocks to me :P (power looks dodgy)

    It really depends where you live - what looks a large amount of climbing can be achieved relatively easily if you live in the right place.

    For example:

    I live on Exmoor. I've cycled 701 miles and have climbed 94,484 feet this year. http://app.strava.com/athletes/197237

    By comparison you have ridden 640 miles, just 61 miles less than me, and climbed 36,812 feet, that's a difference of nearly 60,000 feet in just 700 miles - and you're cycling in the Brecon Beacons!! hardly the flatlands.

    A third of the 80 hours recorded on my Strava account were spent on rollers where no distance was recorded so I'm not quite that slow :wink:

    I've just noticed that we're just 6 miles apart on our 'all time' Strava mileage :) My Garmin 305 overwrote most of my rides before I knew about Strava and was bothered about uploading them somewhere. I just uploaded big rides to Garmin Connect and any that hadn't been overwritten at that time - looking at the gaps in your uploads I guess you may have had a similar issue?

    You are exactly right, I think i reset my garmin back in august all rides uploaded to strava before that are from garmin connect, and im the same with the rollers / turbo I did 6 turbo hours last week so no recorded speed, 1 hour turbo today
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  • RoadMeridaBen
    RoadMeridaBen Posts: 265
    sub55 wrote:
    RoadMeridaBen wrote:
    sub55 wrote:
    Alright then , i got my maths wrong, im a prat.
    Still dont necessarily believe it though. Sure you can ride those sort of ascents on consecutive days . But do you really think anybody going to do it everyday, come rain or shine , holidays. So no work . possibly unwell etc.
    Once you drop a day , theres no way your going to pull it back. Also , if you look at the power outputs , 5 min at 647w
    and 10 min at 582w . They`re the sort of figures you`ll see if you put the garmin in the car.

    Thats exactly what im saying, if you miss one week from illness the amount you have to do to make up for that is massive, still looks a load of ballsocks to me :P (power looks dodgy)

    Thats a fair ride you got there on black mountain ben. Congrats on that . Dont know if we`ve met, certainly cant put a face to the name. But if we have , my appologies. I happen to be running the welsh hill climb champs on that very road in september , if you fancy putting yourself up against some of the fit buggers.

    Didnt realise it was being held there you can expect an entry from me later in the year, already looking forward to the RS30 course as my ride last year was ruined by a farmer and his damn sheep lol
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    25 - 53:07 R25/7
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  • sub55
    sub55 Posts: 1,025
    RoadMeridaBen wrote:
    sub55 wrote:
    RoadMeridaBen wrote:
    sub55 wrote:
    Alright then , i got my maths wrong, im a prat.
    Still dont necessarily believe it though. Sure you can ride those sort of ascents on consecutive days . But do you really think anybody going to do it everyday, come rain or shine , holidays. So no work . possibly unwell etc.
    Once you drop a day , theres no way your going to pull it back. Also , if you look at the power outputs , 5 min at 647w
    and 10 min at 582w . They`re the sort of figures you`ll see if you put the garmin in the car.

    Thats exactly what im saying, if you miss one week from illness the amount you have to do to make up for that is massive, still looks a load of ballsocks to me :P (power looks dodgy)

    Thats a fair ride you got there on black mountain ben. Congrats on that . Dont know if we`ve met, certainly cant put a face to the name. But if we have , my appologies. I happen to be running the welsh hill climb champs on that very road in september , if you fancy putting yourself up against some of the fit buggers.

    Didnt realise it was being held there you can expect an entry from me later in the year, already looking forward to the RS30 course as my ride last year was ruined by a farmer and his damn sheep lol

    that would have been gerad`s event , just looked at the results sheet pretty impressed especially if held up . :shock:
    i keep thinking of coming out of retirement but never quite get around to it :roll:
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  • RoadMeridaBen
    RoadMeridaBen Posts: 265
    The damn farmer was right at the start of the climb (I may have swore at the farmers wife lol) so was stuck for just over a minute, my hr was through the roof within about a minute of setting off again, i blew up on the climb then lol.

    Why have you retired? my second season and I've actually done some training this year, I just cant wait to race! :P
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  • RoadMeridaBen
    RoadMeridaBen Posts: 265
    joe2008 wrote:
    So, keeping an eye on Brian Toone's commutes this week and for 2 days he's climbed 11,957 feet in 76 miles. :wink:

    He's also added links to his ibike data http://toonecycling.files.wordpress.com ... bikepm.png he looks pretty genuine to me...

    Christ, why dont you just marry the guy...
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  • sub55
    sub55 Posts: 1,025
    So go on then , who`s brave enough to predict their total ascent in this?
    For alittle bit more motivation to keep you going.
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  • RoadMeridaBen
    RoadMeridaBen Posts: 265
    Im avoiding the hills for now and focusing on the flats (what little there is in Wales) for TT training when im not on the turbo obviously :P
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  • sub55
    sub55 Posts: 1,025
    Hope my maths is right, i did it in my head.
    Get that too 2340ft per day average.
    Yeah , i can do that. But whether i can do that without dropping the odd day for reasons beyond my control , is a different kettle of fish.
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  • CakeLovinBeast
    CakeLovinBeast Posts: 312
    Based on the dates it starts/ends, and the days that I normally commute, then I reckon I'll do 69,000ft just through commuting (round trip is a touch over 3000ft). However, that means that I need to do that religiously without sickness, injury, or apathy and then still find nearly 5200ft/week beyond that, whilst attempting my first season of racing.

    In return, I get a water bottle and a "surprise" gift (i.e. a badge).

    Thanks, but I'd rather train properly.
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  • EleventhSprocket
    EleventhSprocket Posts: 23
    I got over 2k feet in a 40 miles circuit up here in the Lakes yesterday. Will be back in the south next week though, where it's pancake flat. I'm admitting defeat already, it's a case of me seeing how close I can get to beating it.
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    Well I've done 40,000ft over the last 6 weeks and I imagine I'll be doing more than that over the next 6 weeks in preparation for my LEJoG, can't say I'll be targeting 105,312 though. Maybe 60k?

    As an aside anyone notice the 5/10 minute power stats have disappeared from Strava? I assume they're now part of the premium version. I know they're only estimated but I was quite enjoying trying to improve mine.
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  • doyler78
    doyler78 Posts: 1,951
    thegibdog wrote:
    Well I've done 40,000ft over the last 6 weeks and I imagine I'll be doing more than that over the next 6 weeks in preparation for my LEJoG, can't say I'll be targeting 105,312 though. Maybe 60k?

    As an aside anyone notice the 5/10 minute power stats have disappeared from Strava? I assume they're now part of the premium version. I know they're only estimated but I was quite enjoying trying to improve mine.

    No not in the premium version either. I hated it personally as they couldn't remove my calculated power stats which hopelessly over estimated. I had a nice tail wind when they were calculated.

    Here's someone who likes the hills :shock:

    http://app.strava.com/rides/5389979#

    I see he gave himself kudos :lol:
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    doyler78 wrote:
    No not in the premium version either. I hated it personally as they couldn't remove my calculated power stats which hopelessly over estimated. I had a nice tail wind when they were calculated.
    Yeah but then that affects all segment times too. I guess they've just decided to remove them as they're never really going to be that accurate.
    doyler78 wrote:
    Here's someone who likes the hills :shock:

    http://app.strava.com/rides/5389979#

    I see he gave himself kudos :lol:
    I enjoy hills but there's a point where it stops being fun - maybe that's why he gave himself kudos!
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  • vs
    vs Posts: 468
    doyler78 wrote:
    Here's someone who likes the hills :shock:

    http://app.strava.com/rides/5389979#

    I see he gave himself kudos :lol:

    Yeah, I knew I'd get stick for that!!!

    I was so tired that like a TW@T! I clicked the wrong button when I was trying to see who had given Kudous and then I couldn't delete it.

    Thanks for pointing it out though...

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