usual frothing in the comments....

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  • notsoblue
    notsoblue Posts: 5,756
    sfichele wrote:
    Yeah, but it didn't teach you how to safely draft a goods lorry or high speed filtering techniques. Its useless.
    Is there a good way to safely draft a goods lorry?
    There is, but its common sense mostly. Can't teach that.
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  • sfichele
    sfichele Posts: 605
    notsoblue wrote:
    sfichele wrote:
    Yeah, but it didn't teach you how to safely draft a goods lorry or high speed filtering techniques. Its useless.
    Is there a good way to safely draft a goods lorry?
    There is, but its common sense mostly. Can't teach that.

    2 second rule?
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  • notsoblue
    notsoblue Posts: 5,756
    sfichele wrote:
    notsoblue wrote:
    sfichele wrote:
    Yeah, but it didn't teach you how to safely draft a goods lorry or high speed filtering techniques. Its useless.
    Is there a good way to safely draft a goods lorry?
    There is, but its common sense mostly. Can't teach that.

    2 second rule?

    Does that come into effect when you can't keep up? If you're out of the draft for more than 2 seconds you forfeit your place behind the lorry and someone else can take it?
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  • sfichele
    sfichele Posts: 605
    In mind things are pretty simple, if I'm going as fast as the traffic, then I ride primary, and I'll give the same room ahead that a another (sensible) car would give.

    How complicated is that?

    Drafting would mean getting much closer, but hey if you think that's okay, then knock yourself out.
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  • notsoblue
    notsoblue Posts: 5,756
    sfichele wrote:
    In mind things are pretty simple, if I'm going as fast as the traffic, then I ride primary, and I'll give the same room ahead that a another (sensible) car would give.

    How complicated is that?

    Drafting would mean getting much closer, but hey if you think that's okay, then knock yourself out.

    Well, drafting means you get close enough to skitch if you get tired. Here's a guy showing how to skitch safely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... gzZM#t=35s
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    bails87 wrote:
    notsoblue wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    The cycling proficiency certificate was compulsory at my primary school.
    Yeah, but it didn't teach you how to safely draft a goods lorry or high speed filtering techniques. Its useless.

    Yep, I did it too, at junior school. It was pretty much: "Stay just over a drain's width away from the kerb all the time except when turning right".

    And that was it. All done on deserted residential streets.


    Really? Mine was an exam, we had to turn left and right on a T-junction onto a road with actual cars :O (not at the same time..), go passed parked cars, navigate roundabouts etc
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  • sfichele
    sfichele Posts: 605
    notsoblue wrote:
    Well, drafting means you get close enough to skitch if you get tired. Here's a guy showing how to skitch safely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... gzZM#t=35s

    Nice :) Is that guy still alive?
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  • sketchley
    sketchley Posts: 4,238
    notsoblue wrote:
    sfichele wrote:
    .... Here's a guy showing how to skitch safely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... gzZM#t=35s

    Doesn't look safe. Doing this on fixed gear would be fun.....
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  • sketchley
    sketchley Posts: 4,238
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    bails87 wrote:
    notsoblue wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    The cycling proficiency certificate was compulsory at my primary school.
    Yeah, but it didn't teach you how to safely draft a goods lorry or high speed filtering techniques. Its useless.

    Yep, I did it too, at junior school. It was pretty much: "Stay just over a drain's width away from the kerb all the time except when turning right".

    And that was it. All done on deserted residential streets.


    Really? Mine was an exam, we had to turn left and right on a T-junction onto a road with actual cars :O (not at the same time..), go passed parked cars, navigate roundabouts etc

    +1 definitely a full blown test (following some training). This was ~1980 though and I was about 8....
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  • notsoblue
    notsoblue Posts: 5,756
    Sketchley wrote:
    notsoblue wrote:
    .... Here's a guy showing how to skitch safely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... gzZM#t=35s

    Doesn't look safe. Doing this on fixed gear would be fun.....
    Well it looks like somebody needs to read cyclecraft... :roll:
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  • Kieran_Burns
    Kieran_Burns Posts: 9,757
    sfichele wrote:
    Yeah, but it didn't teach you how to safely draft a goods lorry or high speed filtering techniques. Its useless.
    Is there a good way to safely draft a goods lorry?


    Well....

    http://youtu.be/ZH5b2Ol_qYM?hd=1

    :)
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  • notsoblue
    notsoblue Posts: 5,756
    Kieran_Burns wrote:
    sfichele wrote:
    Yeah, but it didn't teach you how to safely draft a goods lorry or high speed filtering techniques. Its useless.
    Is there a good way to safely draft a goods lorry?


    Well....

    http://youtu.be/ZH5b2Ol_qYM?hd=1

    :)

    Hah! I like how your intentions were mistaken for courtesy... You clearly only let him out so you could draft him ;)
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  • Kieran_Burns
    Kieran_Burns Posts: 9,757
    notsoblue wrote:
    Hah! I like how your intentions were mistaken for courtesy... You clearly only let him out so you could draft him ;)

    I was being courteous - just taking advantage of things at the same time ;)

    (honest)
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  • Wallace1492
    Wallace1492 Posts: 3,707
    notsoblue wrote:
    Hard to teach common sense :)

    There are people who walk without thinking about their safety in a meaningful way. It should be no surprise that they cycle or drive the same way.

    With regards to the OP, this is the kind of accident that one should expect when cycle lanes share the same space as huge lorries. The only way to avoid it entirely is to have segregated cycling provision. Its very British to blame the cyclist for not having "common sense" or for "not thinking about their safety in a meaningful way" rather than to take a step back and see that these are just accidents waiting to happen because of poor road design.

    I disagree to an extent. For driving you have to pass a test that makes you, even temporarily at least, think about safety of you and other road users, and demonstrate competent, safe controls. For cycling, you do not need any training or competence, just the ability to buy (or steal) a bike and ride it.

    Yes, the bike and lorry on same road will eventually have consequences, much as big lump of metal up in the sky will eventually fall out. But if both are aware of the issues, and how to be in each others company safely, then it will reduce these incidents.

    Road design could be better, but is that the main issue here? Contributary factor - absolutely.
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  • sketchley
    sketchley Posts: 4,238
    Kieran_Burns wrote:
    sfichele wrote:
    Yeah, but it didn't teach you how to safely draft a goods lorry or high speed filtering techniques. Its useless.
    Is there a good way to safely draft a goods lorry?


    Well....

    http://youtu.be/ZH5b2Ol_qYM?hd=1

    :)

    First suggested video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF6EiLn8 ... ure=fvwrel :shock:
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  • sfichele
    sfichele Posts: 605
    Kieran_Burns wrote:
    sfichele wrote:
    Yeah, but it didn't teach you how to safely draft a goods lorry or high speed filtering techniques. Its useless.
    Is there a good way to safely draft a goods lorry?


    Well....

    http://youtu.be/ZH5b2Ol_qYM?hd=1

    :)

    Fair enough you are on the open road, and also not that close to the lorry.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Amateur.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... UJJg#t=49s
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  • Applespider
    Applespider Posts: 506
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Really? Mine was an exam, we had to turn left and right on a T-junction onto a road with actual cars :O (not at the same time..), go passed parked cars, navigate roundabouts etc

    Our local park had a cycle play area - a whole little set of roads that you could pedal around complete with traffic lights, zebra crossings (although it was a fenced off area you could only get into on a bike) and a manmade hill with tunnels under it. The idea was that you could learn the rules of the road in a safe environment up to age 12 or so I think.
    But that's also where the local cycling proficiency tests were.

    It was a bit boring - the only fun bit was freewheeling down the hill and having to make a very sharp turn at the bottom and timing it so that you just missed some slow kid who never went near the hill.

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