Di2 electronic shifting

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  • big_p
    big_p Posts: 565
    ddraver wrote:
    So there are on normal Di2 TT brake levers then....did nt know that..

    (obviously they re on nomal road levers)

    the brake levers on the base bar have shift buttons.

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    and these go on the end of the aero bars.

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  • Pseudonym wrote:

    He also says this:
    Di2 didnt make me a better rider or wont win me any races

    Which is kind of the point I was making....

    Honestly, I have definitely got your point, you don't need to keep repeating it.
  • Pseudonym
    Pseudonym Posts: 1,032
    Honestly, I have definitely got your point, you don't need to keep repeating it.

    btw, did I mention that it won't make you a better rider...?
  • Evil Laugh
    Evil Laugh Posts: 1,412
    Did anyone ever say it would?
  • Pseudonym
    Pseudonym Posts: 1,032
    Evil Laugh wrote:
    Did anyone ever say it would?

    I'm pretty sure they didn't...
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,692
    big p wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    So there are on normal Di2 TT brake levers then....did nt know that..

    (obviously they re on nomal road levers)

    the brake levers on the base bar have shift buttons.

    large__ST7971.jpg

    and these go on the end of the aero bars.

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    Ooohh....

    Sounds like overall it's is easier to maintain, gives better quality and more reliable shifting...which surely can only be good. Seems like Psueudonym needs it to right the bike for you to be considered "good"
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Pseudonym
    Pseudonym Posts: 1,032
    ddraver wrote:
    Seems like Psueudonym needs it to right (ride?) the bike for you to be considered "good"

    It's a lot of money for no obvious competitive advantage, that's all I'm saying.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,692
    so like all top end groupsets then....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Pseudonym
    Pseudonym Posts: 1,032
    ddraver wrote:
    so like all top end groupsets then....

    in terms of functionality, yes.
  • Evil Laugh
    Evil Laugh Posts: 1,412
    Pseudonym wrote:
    Evil Laugh wrote:
    Did anyone ever say it would?

    I'm pretty sure they didn't...

    But it will make your bike ride better.
  • Pseudonym
    Pseudonym Posts: 1,032
    Evil Laugh wrote:
    But it will make your bike ride better.

    go on then, how..?
  • Evil Laugh
    Evil Laugh Posts: 1,412
    Multiple shift buttons, bartops, drop bar buttons etc?

    Auto trimming Fd?

    Indexing/shifting never drifts or deteriorates over time?

    Perfect shifts every time even under heavy load?

    Next to no chance of dropping a chain?
  • Pseudonym
    Pseudonym Posts: 1,032
    I give up...you'd best go buy it then...
  • Evil Laugh
    Evil Laugh Posts: 1,412
    Cheers.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Just the point i was about to make...Di2 takes the fun out of cycling and makes it boring... like an Automatic car, cruise control or electronic s in F1.
    Not too mention, crash replacement costs, spares, lack of fiddleabilty/get you home bodges.... and imagine trying to prove a warranty claim? its get out of jail free card for Shimano isn t?
  • Evil Laugh
    Evil Laugh Posts: 1,412
    Err not really it doesn't change gears for you or pedal the bike at a selected constant speed. It just changes gears better. Look I don't own it, work for shimano or anything but some of the arguments against it are a bit silly. As if changing gear is the most enjoyable part of cycling and doing it better takes the enjoyment out of it? Really?
  • sagalout
    sagalout Posts: 338
    The only bad reviews of DI2 I've ever read have been by people that haven't used it.
  • Pseudonym
    Pseudonym Posts: 1,032
    Evil Laugh wrote:
    I don't own it, work for shimano or anything but some of the arguments against it are a bit silly.

    I don't think anyone on this thread has argued against it...
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    It's a nice piece of kit. I can't see it takes the fun out of riding. If you're obsessing about your gear changes then you probably need to go cold turkey and ride fixed wheel for a while :-)
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    cougie wrote:
    It's a nice piece of kit. I can't see it takes the fun out of riding. If you're obsessing about your gear changes then you probably need to go cold turkey and ride fixed wheel for a while :-)

    Finally we can all agree...Di2 for fixed wheel use only.

    I have ridden Di2 and for me it was the quickness of the FD change that was truely amazing, very smooth and quiet... but i just prefer manual :D
  • Simonhi
    Simonhi Posts: 229
    mamba80 wrote:
    Not too mention, crash replacement costs, spares,

    £450 for a rear derailleur, even with my expensive tastes that one would sting a bit !!!

    In my (very) limited experience a well set up cable operated system, tweaked before each ride, should be as good as any ordinary person needs.

    The thing is needs and wants are two completely separate things. I don't need a light bike with a top end group set and expensive carbon wheels, but I do want it.

    I may in time switch to an electronic system but for now I like fettling with my bike each time I come home after it has been cleaned. I'm learning about the bikes mechanics all over again and it's nice to know that my cack-handed fumblings are keeping the bike running sweetly.

    Is electronic shifting the way forward ??? Maybe for some, maybe not for others. It seems to be for the pros but then they only ride what they are paid to. I can see the benefits on both sides and at present, being so new to road riding, I am somewhat sat on the fence.

    I am sure that anybody who has invested the best part of two-ish grand on a system (maybe more for multiple bikes) will not say that it is crap and will justify their decision by saying how amazing it is. On the other hand, those that don’t want to spend the dough I am sure will say that it is not for them being that is not needed /will not make you a better cyclist etc etc ...

    One thing I do know is that people will continue to buy top-of-the-range gear because it is pro, and so-and-so has it so it must be good. Others will buy it because they don’t want to fettle with their bike and want a system they plug in and play.

    The review on the starbike /weight weenie site seems a good and fair judgement so I think on the basis of that alone I would happily switch at some time in the future, just not yet.