Di2 electronic shifting
adwt2004
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What are peoples thoughts on this system? Do you think Shimano will stop making mechanical shifters etc? I personally have tried it and I prefer mechanical.
To me, it just seems wrong having this kind of electronics on a bike. Opinions welcome!
To me, it just seems wrong having this kind of electronics on a bike. Opinions welcome!
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adwt2004 wrote:What are peoples thoughts on this system? Do you think Shimano will stop making mechanical shifters etc? I personally have tried it and I prefer mechanical.
To me, it just seems wrong having this kind of electronics on a bike. Opinions welcome!
I think they will dominate the top end of the market, but mechanical systems will still be around for a while in the mid and low range. Electronic systems require a frame which has been drilled to take them, so they are limited to the high end carbon market. For a reason or another there will albays be the need for a mechanical system... imagine bringing your bike to areas where it is not possible/practical to recharge a battery or where spares are at a premium... finding steel cables is relatively easy. There is also a big bunch of enthusiasts like me who enjoy fiddling with screws and cables...
I also prefer mechanical systems, but if I had to invest in a groupset for the sake of performance and not for a fun ride on sunday, then I would go electronicleft the forum March 20230 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:Electronic systems require a frame which has been drilled to take them, so they are limited to the high end carbon market.
Not true at all. You can fit an electronic system to any frame there's nothing special required, you can get some stick on cable tidy that neatly hides all the cables. All a drilled frame does is allow you to hide the cabling. Also it's not restricted to just the high end carbon market at all. Canyon are selling an aluminum frame with Ultegra electronic shifting on it in their 2012 range for £1929 according to their website.
http://www.canyon.com/_uk/roadbikes/bike.html?b=2503'Hello to Jason Isaacs'0 -
schlepcycling wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:Electronic systems require a frame which has been drilled to take them, so they are limited to the high end carbon market.
Not true at all. You can fit an electronic system to any frame there's nothing special required, you can get some stick on cable tidy that neatly hides all the cables. All a drilled frame does is allow you to hide the cabling. Also it's not restricted to just the high end carbon market at all. Canyon are selling an aluminum frame with Ultegra electronic shifting on it in their 2012 range for £1929 according to their website.
http://www.canyon.com/_uk/roadbikes/bike.html?b=2503
Of course you can route the cable, but it looks awful... maybe in the future we will not toice it anymore, but for today standards it looks dreadfulleft the forum March 20230 -
I cannot understand how anyone can favour looks/history over performance so I think it is the future, especially for mountain bikes!
Hydraulic brakes and electronic shifting will be on all 105 equivalent and above bikes in 10 years I predict.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I run Dura-Ace Di2 with the optional sprint buttons and will never run traditional shifting again, its smoother easier and generally better overall imhoS-Works Venge, Zipp 404 firecrests, Dura-Ace Di2 with optional sprint buttons.0
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Squeakz wrote:I run Dura-Ace Di2 with the optional sprint buttons and will never run traditional shifting again, its smoother easier and generally better overall imho
And so it should be, given it costs twice as much as a conventional DA groupset... I am very curious to see Campagnolo's answer when it will be finally released (next year?).. in Vicenza they have been quiet for some time, with Ultra Torque being the only innovation in a long timeleft the forum March 20230 -
I'm sure it ll be exactly the same in all important respects (they re making one DA Di2 equivalent, and another astronomical one are nt they?) . SRAM have really dropped the ball on this I think...
There is an Ultegra Di2 demo bike in the shop near me now...looks very slick.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Won't be long before it goes wireless.ugo.santalucia wrote:Of course you can route the cable, but it looks awful... maybe in the future we will not toice it anymore, but for today standards it looks dreadfulPseudonym wrote:SRAM have probably taken the pragmatic view, that gearshifts don't win races - legs do. Nobody is going to go faster by buying Di2....
And every bit of bike kit I've ever bought was only because it gave a performance improvement. 0 -
Why did the Garmin Cervelo team beg to be put on Di2 over SRAM red this year then Pseudonym. Don't get me wrong, I'm a SRAM fan, its on both the roadie and the MTB, and no expert but things like that make me wonder...
The only reason I can think SRAM don't have an electronic Red groupset approaching is because they re working on an XX one instead...
Can anyone answer a question? The front gear shift on the Ultegra set I tried was pretty noisy, is the DA one like that?We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Pseudonym wrote:ddraver wrote:Why did the Garmin Cervelo team beg to be put on Di2 over SRAM red this year then Pseudonym.
I dunno, you'd have to ask them. It certainly wouldn't have been for any performance advantage though...
I know this is your schtick Psuedonym, but can you perhaps offer an opinion on why?
to put the balance for SRAM, LeakyGas have apparently switched from Campag this year (Ring, 2011)....We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver wrote:I know this is your schtick Psuedonym, but can you perhaps offer an opinion on why?
but because it doesn't offer any - it's just a method of shifting one gear to another - you still have to pedal whatever gear you're in. Let's put it another way - what performance advantage do you think electronic shifting offers - and how will it get someone to the finish line quicker than another rider on a mechanical shift..?
If you can give me a convincing performance argument which will improve my placing in a race, I will order a Di2 group tomorrow...0 -
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Pseudonym wrote:ddraver wrote:I know this is your schtick Psuedonym, but can you perhaps offer an opinion on why?
but because it doesn't offer any - it's just a method of shifting one gear to another - you still have to pedal whatever gear you're in. Let's put it another way - what performance advantage do you think electronic shifting offers - and how will it get someone to the finish line quicker than another rider on a mechanical shift..?
If you can give me a convincing performance argument which will improve my placing in a race, I will order a Di2 group tomorrow...
I haven't tried it. But apparently you can shift to big ring whilst putting out full power...I've not tried that on my cable gears but I dare say it wouldn't go well...
I'm inclined to say that they have gone to it because it works better, why else? It doesn't look nice, it just obviously is better...?Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com0 -
All systems can go wrong. I've seen tweets off riders cursing their systems when their apparently full battery has just packed in.
That said its a nice system - but it's unlikely to make you win more.0 -
At least the price is going down. http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/rose ... aid:529700
it can be had with kysirium elites too for that price.0 -
okgo wrote:Pseudonym wrote:ddraver wrote:I know this is your schtick Psuedonym, but can you perhaps offer an opinion on why?
but because it doesn't offer any - it's just a method of shifting one gear to another - you still have to pedal whatever gear you're in. Let's put it another way - what performance advantage do you think electronic shifting offers - and how will it get someone to the finish line quicker than another rider on a mechanical shift..?
If you can give me a convincing performance argument which will improve my placing in a race, I will order a Di2 group tomorrow...
I haven't tried it. But apparently you can shift to big ring whilst putting out full power...I've not tried that on my cable gears but I dare say it wouldn't go well...
Bollocks IMHO. Your still stuck to the limitations of a chain switching between 2 sprockets. I cannot see whatever actuation shimano use been powerful enough to do it no problem. Its a age old thing and no electronic stuff will sort it out.0 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:Squeakz wrote:I run Dura-Ace Di2 with the optional sprint buttons and will never run traditional shifting again, its smoother easier and generally better overall imho
And so it should be, given it costs twice as much as a conventional DA groupset... I am very curious to see Campagnolo's answer when it will be finally released (next year?).. in Vicenza they have been quiet for some time, with Ultra Torque being the only innovation in a long time
There's a test bike (Colnago) with the electronic Campag, on a turbo in my LBS...Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
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Bollocks IMHO. Your still stuck to the limitations of a chain switching between 2 sprockets. I cannot see whatever actuation shimano use been powerful enough to do it no problem. Its a age old thing and no electronic stuff will sort it out.
All user experience says this is one of the big pluses of the system and not bollocks at all.
There's a good unbiased review of di2 here.,
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Its certainly not going to help me win more 3rd cat crits, but for pro cycling where the gap between them is so minute (with the odd exception) I guess they want all the help they can get, notice I managed to avoid trotting our Brailsford's cliche saying :PBlog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com0
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my missus has d/a di2 on her tt bike, the shifting is way more acurate than mechanical and now she can shift gear when she's on the brakes or going around tight corners where before this wasn't posible with just shifters on the aero bars.0
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Pseudonym wrote:ddraver wrote:I know this is your schtick Psuedonym, but can you perhaps offer an opinion on why?
but because it doesn't offer any - it's just a method of shifting one gear to another - you still have to pedal whatever gear you're in. Let's put it another way - what performance advantage do you think electronic shifting offers - and how will it get someone to the finish line quicker than another rider on a mechanical shift..?
If you can give me a convincing performance argument which will improve my placing in a race, I will order a Di2 group tomorrow...
My $0.02 - Maybe its more abou the rider and how they feel when riding as well? Sprinting - flick of the thumb and keep a firmer grip on the bars? TTs - shifters on extensions and horns as well as less clutter?
I don't race or pretend to, I just like to bike... and it is mighty fine bling0 -
big p wrote:my missus has d/a di2 on her tt bike, the shifting is way more acurate than mechanical and now she can shift gear when she's on the brakes or going around tight corners where before this wasn't posible with just shifters on the aero bars.
I think there is a much better case for DI2 on TT bikes that standard road bikes (unless you really need that sprint button). Though the P5 has broken this DI2 advantage...0 -
Well the review by the guy on WW swung it for me - he clearly has some serious usage knowledge as opposed to pure speculation and it gets his vote. Seems like good kit.
Pretty expensive stuff, but in the real world vs iMacs, fancy TV's etc then maybe not so much.
Personally I'll let the early adopters take the brunt of the R&D costs and when the system becomes 'old hat' I'll go for it.
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Now, what would be really cool is if the Big S comes up with some servo-assisted brake calipers.0 -
NickintheLakes wrote:Well the review by the guy on WW swung it for me - he clearly has some serious usage knowledge as opposed to pure speculation and it gets his vote.
'Serious usage knowledge' - and the best he can come up with is that "it works" - and so it flippin should. That is not in dispute.
He also says this:Di2 didnt make me a better rider or wont win me any races
Which is kind of the point I was making....0
