SOPA already taking effect?

MountainMonster

OK guys, has that carpy American SOPA law already started taking effect? Went to download a few cds earlier, and every torrent I tried to open was empty, literallly from 10 different sites

mak3m

the sheepcnuts also killed megaupload

i had shit loads on there

MountainMonster

This is just rediculous. I wonder how much the music and movie industry in America has paid politicians to follow through with this. I bet each one got a hefty little bonus package.

nicklouse

MountainMonster wrote:

This is just rediculous. I wonder how much the music and movie industry in America has paid politicians to follow through with this. I bet each one got a hefty little bonus package.

err most of them have jump off it.

DCR00

given the blackouts and the attacks underway by hackers, combined with the lack of support from both Republican and Democratic parties, i cant see SOPA surviving much longer

DCR00

try using sites that dont have advertising on them

much less interesting to the authorities as the site arent making money

sheepsteeth

so are you upset that you can no longer steal music and films?

MountainMonster

sheepsteeth wrote:

so are you upset that you can no longer steal music and films?

Yeah. That's how the internet works man,

schmako

I also had this brain spazz but then realised PB had changed its layout.

Anonymous

MountainMonster wrote:

Yeah. That's how the internet works man,

As long as they don't touch my porn.

MountainMonster

deadkenny wrote:

MountainMonster wrote:

Yeah. That's how the internet works man,

As long as they don't touch my porn.

That will be touched

Fantastic Mr Fox

Mr. Megaupload had one or two cars taken from him...

http://www.autoevolution.com/news-g-ima ... html#image



Gash number plates too.

MountainMonster

Such nice cars

VWsurfbum

just read the article, profitable business this uploading thing:?

MrChrisP

I really hope this is true:

DCR00

sheepsteeth wrote:

so are you upset that you can no longer steal music and films?

ok ill bite on this

i download quite a lot, but i dont download films that have been pirated i.e. someone sat filming in a cinema, or R5 copies. I do download originals of blurays and TV programmes (you can tell the diff in quality).

I don't view this as stealing as the person who uploaded it has given me permission to use it. Now the suppliers of that film/CD haven't given me permission, so i guess im breaking the law in that respect.

But, how many of us can say that we have never borrowed/copied a DVD, CD or recorded music off the radio at some point in our lives ? for me there is no difference

(the site i use is non-profit)

sheepsteeth

no matter how you dice it, you cant piss and whine when your means of illegal activities are restricted.

the old "everyone is doing it man" thing doesnt wash with me, you're a fucking thief, stop moaning.

TheNorthernTrain

I appreciate that the amount of music I download is wrong... But i've been of the view that unless a band is properly in the mainstream, then they rake it in anyway from pure volume of sales, but the lesser known bands make so little off album sales that I don't see the point in feeding the already extensive profit of the corporations... bugger me sideways I sound very hippy and cheeswandish. Their money comes in from doing gigs, tours, festivals and merchandising.

Of course i'm probably completely wrong....

But it is also my opinion that the person doing the act of ripping the cd and then sharing is the one breaking the law, I'm just taking something that has been published in the public domain and using it for my own personal use.

cooldad

Remember that next time a crack addict sells your car radio down the pub.

sheepsteeth

justify it to yourself however you please but the old "the law is broken by someone else, im just reaping the free benefits" sketch doesnt wash with me, you are also a thief.

Briggo

sheepsteeth wrote:

justify it to yourself however you please but the old "the law is broken by someone else, im just reaping the free benefits" sketch doesnt wash with me, you are also a thief.

How can we be like you St Pete, you're the shining light we all need.

Sideways.

sheepsteeth

Briggo wrote:

sheepsteeth wrote:

justify it to yourself however you please but the old "the law is broken by someone else, im just reaping the free benefits" sketch doesnt wash with me, you are also a thief.

How can we be like you St Pete, you're the shining light we all need.

Sideways.

yeah man, im the obvious necessary.

im only joking by the way folks, i dont really mind that folk steal music and films, i dont do it, but i dont mind that people do, it just makes me think of them as petty criminals, like the ones who have pictures of other peoples naked kids on their laptops, they are just downloading stuff, they didnt take the pictures themselves so surely there's nowt wrong with that?

it just amuses me when folk moan that their illegal activities (as described by law, not me) are restricted as if they have some kind of right to illegaly download stuff.

Briggo

Anyone who says they don't do it is lying imo, even the cops the bent fckers! I dont though of course as I'm trying to be like sheep whos a beacon of light.

nicklouse

Well SOPA and PIPA. Have been dropped.

thekickingmule

DCR00 wrote:

sheepsteeth wrote:

so are you upset that you can no longer steal music and films?

But, how many of us can say that we have never borrowed/copied a DVD, CD or recorded music off the radio at some point in our lives ? for me there is no difference

Remember the old tapes you recorded off the internet as a 10 year old so you could learn the current songs? They were completely illegal. Always have been, always will be. Back in the day though, there was no way of policing it, also radio rules said that a DJ should start talking over the beginning and end of a song, so that you couldn't use it as an exact copy. All internet activity can be monitored, so they are much more likely to track down the biggest offenders.

I used to download films and TV series a lot, but then I ended up studying about copyright law and piracy, and I soon stopped it. I don't really download anything anymore.

DCR00

thekickingmule wrote:

DCR00 wrote:

sheepsteeth wrote:

so are you upset that you can no longer steal music and films?

But, how many of us can say that we have never borrowed/copied a DVD, CD or recorded music off the radio at some point in our lives ? for me there is no difference

Remember the old tapes you recorded off the internet as a 10 year old so you could learn the current songs? They were completely illegal. Always have been, always will be. Back in the day though, there was no way of policing it, also radio rules said that a DJ should start talking over the beginning and end of a song, so that you couldn't use it as an exact copy. All internet activity can be monitored, so they are much more likely to track down the biggest offenders.

I used to download films and TV series a lot, but then I ended up studying about copyright law and piracy, and I soon stopped it. I don't really download anything anymore.

so you've never borrowed a CD or a DVD off someone in your life then ?

DCR00

thekickingmule wrote:

Remember the old tapes you recorded off the internet as a 10 year old so you could learn the current songs?

im nearly 37 mate, i was recording songs off the radio when i was 10

MountainMonster

nicklouse wrote:

Well SOPA and PIPA. Have been dropped.

Yup I read that as well, thank god. I just feel sorry for the people who have been locked up for seemingly petty things, and have everything taken in the past few weeks.

I was talking with a few friends, who love making music and producing it, and they saw "illegal downloading" as an awesome way to get their music out. Many said they would rather be known for their music, and not their bank account, and prefered to have their music "stolen" as that means more people enjoy it. We're in a day and age where most people won't buy a cd simply because you can't even buy typical portable cd players anymore, and everything is MP3.

thekickingmule

DCR00 wrote:

thekickingmule wrote:

Remember the old tapes you recorded off the internet as a 10 year old so you could learn the current songs?

im nearly 37 mate, i was recording songs off the radio when i was 10

I was quite drunk when I wrote that. I meant radio.

And if you borrowed a CD or DVD or Video or Vinyl, that's not illegal. The owner has the right to lend it to you. The minute you make a copy of it, that is breaking the law. Yes I've done it. Most people have probably done it. But as Sheeps says (and keeps saying) whether you've done it or not, it's illegal. Full stop. End of.

By the way, I don't care what you do. I'm not reporting you or telling you to stop, I'm just pointing out how the law sees it. Like cycling on footpaths (in England)....

sheepsteeth

DCR00 wrote:

thekickingmule wrote:

DCR00 wrote:

sheepsteeth wrote:

so are you upset that you can no longer steal music and films?

But, how many of us can say that we have never borrowed/copied a DVD, CD or recorded music off the radio at some point in our lives ? for me there is no difference

Remember the old tapes you recorded off the internet as a 10 year old so you could learn the current songs? They were completely illegal. Always have been, always will be. Back in the day though, there was no way of policing it, also radio rules said that a DJ should start talking over the beginning and end of a song, so that you couldn't use it as an exact copy. All internet activity can be monitored, so they are much more likely to track down the biggest offenders.

I used to download films and TV series a lot, but then I ended up studying about copyright law and piracy, and I soon stopped it. I don't really download anything anymore.

so you've never borrowed a CD or a DVD off someone in your life then ?

this may come as a shock but no, i didnt used to record stuff off the radio and i dont illegally download stuf off the internet, anything i download i pay for because im not a thief.

i have borrowed loads of music on physical copies but i dont copy it, i buy it if i like it.

people still seem to be saying that its harmless and whatnot and if im honest, i agree, it is fairly harmless in some respects but the isue here in this thread and the reason i stuck my beak in is that it amuses me and annoys me in equal ammounts when people complain that they cant break the law due to proposed new restrictions in place.

also i enjoy being able to legitimately call someone a thief.

Anonymous

thekickingmule wrote:

Remember the old tapes you recorded off the internet as a 10 year old so you could learn the current songs? They were completely illegal. Always have been, always will be. Back in the day though, there was no way of policing it, also radio rules said that a DJ should start talking over the beginning and end of a song, so that you couldn't use it as an exact copy. All internet activity can be monitored, so they are much more likely to track down the biggest offenders.

Remember too "home taping is killing music"

Turns out it didn't kill music. It did rather well and is an incredibly profitable business now. Home taping promoted the music business if anything.

thekickingmule wrote:

And if you borrowed a CD or DVD or Video or Vinyl, that's not illegal. The owner has the right to lend it to you.

Though with official legal digital downloads the music and movie industry is attempting with the help of DRM to ensure that you can't lend them, and they'd prefer if you can't even play the thing on another device or transfer it should you upgrade or replace that device.

The minute you make a copy of it, that is breaking the law. Yes I've done it. Most people have probably done it. But as Sheeps says (and keeps saying) whether you've done it or not, it's illegal. Full stop. End of.

In the UK. In the US they have fair use laws which allows it. I think the gov recently had indicated they wanted to introduce a fair use in UK copyright also, but don't know if that's got anywhere.

Where do you draw the line with fair use though? I'm not one for downloading pirate copies of the latest film or song (usually because they're all crap, but anyway), but I'm not against seeking out a torrent for an episode I may have missed on TV that isn't being carried by one of the catch up services any more, or I'm catching up with the previous series. I'm doing much the same as if I'd just recorded it and watched later, but then on the other hand I could have gone out and bought the boxed set of the series on DVD.

I generally tend to look for really old shows that aren't available other than through torrents and the like. Though that may change if the BBC get their 'archive' service going on iPlayer.