Zipp 808 or Power Metre
crom7
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Thinking about getting some Zipp 808's or a Power metre - which will make me faster??
Zipp 808's = better ride and aesthetics = more training = me getting faster
Power metre = more focussed training = me getting faster
any suggestions??
Zipp 808's = better ride and aesthetics = more training = me getting faster
Power metre = more focussed training = me getting faster
any suggestions??
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I'd probably go for a decent Power Meter 1st, not sure about anyone else :?:0
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The Zipps will make it easier to ride faster. The power meter will tell you how hard you are working and if your training is working over time or just how much of a difference any piece of equipment or position is making.0
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Pithy Power Proverb: "The power meter is a tool, not a bolt on motor." - Chris Mayhew0
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crom7 wrote:Thinking about getting some Zipp 808's or a Power metre - which will make me faster??
Zipp 808's = better ride and aesthetics = more training = me getting faster
Power metre = more focussed training = me getting faster
any suggestions??
Zipps will not make you faster - the ride is not better (better than what?) and I can't imagine why you think they will make you train more - your motivation should take care of that, not your wheels. A power meter will only tell you how much (or how little) power you are making, without telling you how to improve it. You could buy a lot of coaching for the same money....that will make you faster...0 -
How will he measure if the coaching and the training is working?0
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CoachFergie wrote:How will he measure if the coaching and the training is working?
Are you actually a coach?0 -
No it's just a cool sounding name for the forums.
Whether I coach or not is irrelevant to the question of measuring if performance is improving or how much faster a set of Zipp 808s are over another wheelset.0 -
it is relevant in the sense that a coach wouldn't need to ask, which is why I wondered if you were a coach or not.
Improvement can be measured by conducting limit tests, or simply by getting better results. People generally tend to know if they are improving or not, without needing a power meter to tell them.0 -
It's because I'm a coach that I know the difference between improving results and improving performances.0
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CoachFergie wrote:It's because I'm a coach that I know the difference between improving results and improving performances.
that's good then...
if you're a racing cyclist, the two are usually mutually-dependent...0 -
Pseudonym wrote:that's good then...
if you're a racing cyclist, the two are usually mutually-dependent...
Because I coach racing cyclists I know that is not correct. One can attain results without an improvement in performance.0 -
CoachFergie wrote:Because I coach racing cyclists I know that is not correct. One can attain results without an improvement in performance.
I like the sound of that. Does it involve making sure that everyone else in the race crashes out, enabling your rider to solo to a glorious victory..?0 -
That is how one of my riders won a Bronze medal in a Elite World Championship this year. His self acknowledged poor performance was better than many of the others, some who did crash out.
I coach another rider who wins everything. How am I supposed to gauge his improvement?0 -
CoachFergie wrote:That is how one of my riders won a Bronze medal in a Elite World Championship this year. His self acknowledged poor performance was better than many of the others, some who did crash out.
I coach another rider who wins everything. How am I supposed to gauge his improvement?
sorry fella - you've lost me. Keep going though, this is great fun...0 -
I guess coaches couldnt possibly work before power meters were invented then ?0
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Couldn't objectively measure performance before power meters.0
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this, but i would actually say go for the Powermetre. depending on what kind of racing you do?Pseudonym wrote:crom7 wrote:Thinking about getting some Zipp 808's or a Power metre - which will make me faster??
Zipp 808's = better ride and aesthetics = more training = me getting faster
Power metre = more focussed training = me getting faster
any suggestions??
Zipps will not make you faster - the ride is not better (better than what?) and I can't imagine why you think they will make you train more - your motivation should take care of that, not your wheels. A power meter will only tell you how much (or how little) power you are making, without telling you how to improve it. You could buy a lot of coaching for the same money....that will make you faster...Coveryourcar.co.uk RT Tester
north west of england.0 -
Simple answer is neither will make you faster.crom7 wrote:Thinking about getting some Zipp 808's or a Power metre - which will make me faster??
Zipp 808's = better ride and aesthetics = more training = me getting faster
Power metre = more focussed training = me getting faster
any suggestions??0 -
oldwelshman wrote:
Simple answer is neither will make you faster.crom7 wrote:Thinking about getting some Zipp 808's or a Power metre - which will make me faster??
Zipp 808's = better ride and aesthetics = more training = me getting faster
Power metre = more focussed training = me getting faster
any suggestions??
More training is the outcome for both of these items, so why not invest in either a) Something that will motivate you such as a big race entry or b) Invest the money in a coach who will hopefully motivate you (assuming you don't have a coach, and if you don't, get a new one).0 -
I bought a pair of feckin' awesome wheels AND a powertap.
The powertap is good because it allows me to train with more focus and objectively measure the results. And if I race with it I get a good understanding of what I need to improve on. And I can use it on the turbo trainer for better winter motivation.
The wheels are good because they allow me to perform better than I would without them. I can actually feel a difference when I ride with them.
If I could have only 1 I'd have the powertap.
Or the wheels.0 -
Pseudonym wrote:Tri-ing wrote:More training is the outcome for both of these items,
I'm still not clear on how spending £1500 on a set of Zipps will make you train more..??
The OP says that both items would make him train more, I was just working off what he said tbh....
I know that a fancy bit of kit would give me a kick up the arse to get out more and feel I'd "earnt it". Even something basic like a new pair of bibs makes my motivation jump up a bit.....0 -
crom7 wrote:Thinking about getting some Zipp 808's or a Power metre - which will make me faster??
Zipp 808's = better ride and aesthetics = more training = me getting faster
Power metre = more focussed training = me getting faster
any suggestions??
Neither.
Get a decent coach who specialises in the area you want to improve in. And train hard.0 -
Pseudonym wrote:Tri-ing wrote:More training is the outcome for both of these items,
I'm still not clear on how spending £1500 on a set of Zipps will make you train more..??
Maybe you don't enjoy new things, but when i get new parts for my bike, it makes me want to ride as much as possible, and helps bring motivation levels up.0 -
MountainMonster wrote:Maybe you don't enjoy new things, but when i get new parts for my bike, it makes me want to ride as much as possible, and helps bring motivation levels up.
may I respectfully suggest that you are cycling for the wrong reasons then. Surely people don't need shiny bits to get them riding, they ride because they like riding their bikes....
I thought this forum was about training - not bling-related posing...0 -
Anyway....
Powermeter - training "properly" will make you go much faster than a fancy wheel."And the Lord said unto Cain, 'where is Abel thy brother?' And he said, 'I know not: I dropped him on the climb up to the motorway bridge'."
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Pseudonym wrote:MountainMonster wrote:Maybe you don't enjoy new things, but when i get new parts for my bike, it makes me want to ride as much as possible, a
may I respectfully suggest that you are cycling for the wrong reasons then. Surely people don't need shiny bits to get them riding, they ride because they like riding their bikes....
I thought this forum was about training - not bling-related posing...
I'm sure we all love riding our bikes. But if it's pissing with rain, your legs are tired and all your mates have bailed to spend the day in front of the fire falling asleep in front of the football........motivation can droop.0 -
If your motivation is really that bad, no amount of bike bling will improve you, it is this individual motivation that sets certain athletes aprt from others.Tri-ing wrote:Pseudonym wrote:MountainMonster wrote:Maybe you don't enjoy new things, but when i get new parts for my bike, it makes me want to ride as much as possible, a
may I respectfully suggest that you are cycling for the wrong reasons then. Surely people don't need shiny bits to get them riding, they ride because they like riding their bikes....
I thought this forum was about training - not bling-related posing...
I'm sure we all love riding our bikes. But if it's pissing with rain, your legs are tired and all your mates have bailed to spend the day in front of the fire falling asleep in front of the football........motivation can droop.
There are many talented athletes who never make it to the top for this reason, so unfortunately if you need to buy things as a motivation to train it is ulikely to work as the novelty soon wears off.0 -
oldwelshman wrote:
If your motivation is really that bad, no amount of bike bling will improve you, it is this individual motivation that sets certain athletes aprt from others.Tri-ing wrote:Pseudonym wrote:MountainMonster wrote:Maybe you don't enjoy new things, but when i get new parts for my bike, it makes me want to ride as much as possible, a
may I respectfully suggest that you are cycling for the wrong reasons then. Surely people don't need shiny bits to get them riding, they ride because they like riding their bikes....
I thought this forum was about training - not bling-related posing...
I'm sure we all love riding our bikes. But if it's pissing with rain, your legs are tired and all your mates have bailed to spend the day in front of the fire falling asleep in front of the football........motivation can droop.
There are many talented athletes who never make it to the top for this reason, so unfortunately if you need to buy things as a motivation to train it is ulikely to work as the novelty soon wears off.
Are you seriously claiming to never experience a drop in motivation? You sprint to the garage every time just so you can get out on the bike? You've never looked out the window at the pissing rain and howling wind and wondered if a day off might be a better idea? I just can't believe that.
I'd agree with you, the motivation of a person does help set them apart from the others. But there's nothing wrong with experiencing normal doubts about a particular session, or longing to have a "lazy day" every once in a while. Pushing through those feelings and doing the session anyway is where your motivation comes in. Even those who have "made it" experience those days when they feel unmotivated - just read any biography of any pro you fancy and they'll talk about those sessions where they had to push through.
Who said anything about constantly needing a new bit of kit? Just when a new bit DOES come along, for whatever reason, it certainly helps 99% of people up their motivation. The OP may well have been saving for this bit of kit for years, using the same bike, clothes and other paraphernalia in that time.0 -
Moving away from the petty spats, my recommendation is the powertap. I've had one a year and it's contributed to making some significant gains and further motivation by being able to quantify the gains. Sure, those gains could have been made with some good coaching (which will be my 2012 investment!) but what I like about the powermeter is being able to clearly see the gains. Get some power training books from the likes of john friel or coggan as being able to understand how to use it is crucial to getting benefits from it, I've still a lot to learn.
As for the wheels, rather than getting the zipps you could look into the planet x rims. No experience of them but much much cheaper, okay probably not as sexy or fast but maybe you could squeeze both wheels and powermeter into the budget! Then again just get the powertap built into some zipps...!0
