do i stay or do i go?

welshkev

now, i'm expecting the usual crudcather answers here but possibly some sensible ones aswell

boss called me in his office yesterday, the senior management team had been down to discuss cost savings within our branch as we've been under performing for 2 years now. he asks me if i'd like to go for a job in a different division to ours - now this job is similar to what i do but some of the stuff they're asking for i have no experience in at all.

so, as i'm one of the higest paid in our branch are they trying to shift me sideways so they don't have to pay me redundancy? i don't want the other job, it'll mean me working on my own and it's further from home. should i just stick it out and wait and see what happens? should i make plans now by actively looking for other jobs?

not sure what to do to be honest, my boss insists he's just thinking of me and my career but he doesn't do anything without an ulterior motive!

Rigga

Sounds ominus. Your boss is probably trying to get you off his wage bill/budget if you are the highest paid there. If you don't want to move, stay where you are, but i would start looking for other jobs in the meantime and if you get a hefty redundancy pay off then bonus!

schlepcycling

^^^What he said

projectsome

let them fire you = redunancy package.

Go work for a rival firm...

welshkev

yeah, i haven't been happy here for a while and i'll go for the right deal

VWsurfbum

Is there a a market for your type of job? if so i'd wait it out? If not i would go with the transfer while looking around.

Or just go back in there, thow a couple of windmils and shit in his top drawer

cooldad

welshkev wrote:

yeah, i haven't been happy here for a while and i'll go for the right deal

Yeah rentboy in Rhyl is a pretty crappy job.

welshkev

VWsurfbum wrote:

Is there a a market for your type of job? if so i'd wait it out? If not i would go with the transfer while looking around.

Or just go back in there, thow a couple of windmils and shoot in his top drawer

yes and no. there's only a few other companies around but some of them are looking for staff, but there's always work for freelancers.

cooldad: i thought i'd seen you trawling the sea front at rhyl for your kicks

allen.coulson

Hi,

Offering you a job in another part (well consulting with you over other types of work) of the business is part of the legally required process of redundancy. If it is just an exercise and there is no real job then you are out anyway. If it is meaningful then my advice is to take it BECAUSE of the novelty - to say, some time down the line, that you have developed new skill is a big +.

I can also assure you that redundancy money just evaporates irrespective of how long you calculate it will last.

Companies are not taking on staff and who says that the job you take will not be total rather partial sht.

Good luck though.

cooldad

welshkev wrote:

VWsurfbum wrote:

Is there a a market for your type of job? if so i'd wait it out? If not i would go with the transfer while looking around.

Or just go back in there, thow a couple of windmils and shoot in his top drawer

yes and no. there's only a few other companies around but some of them are looking for staff, but there's always work for freelancers.

cooldad: i thought i'd seen you trawling the sea front at rhyl for your kicks

I remember now. You were cheap enough but too ugly even for me.

cooldad

Mr Coulson makes a lot of sense for a cruddie post.

VWsurfbum

allen.coulson wrote:

Hi,

Offering you a job in another part (well consulting with you over other types of work) of the business is part of the legally required process of redundancy. If it is just an exercise and there is no real job then you are out anyway. If it is meaningful then my advice is to take it BECAUSE of the novelty - to say, some time down the line, that you have developed new skill is a big +.

I can also assure you that redundancy money just evaporates irrespective of how long you calculate it will last.

Companies are not taking on staff and who says that the job you take will not be total rather partial sht.

Good luck though.

Goood advice = thefore

welshkev

allen.coulson wrote:

Hi,

Offering you a job in another part (well consulting with you over other types of work) of the business is part of the legally required process of redundancy. If it is just an exercise and there is no real job then you are out anyway. If it is meaningful then my advice is to take it BECAUSE of the novelty - to say, some time down the line, that you have developed new skill is a big +.

I can also assure you that redundancy money just evaporates irrespective of how long you calculate it will last.

Companies are not taking on staff and who says that the job you take will not be total rather partial sht.

Good luck though.

in my line of work, most of the work is very similar no matter who you work for so apart from management style it will be more or less the same and i know most of the managers/owners of the other companies as there's only 5 or 6 local to me.

i won't be taking the other job even though it may look good on my CV, so it's redundancy or different job time :?

DCR00

welshkev wrote:

now, i'm expecting the usual crudcather answers here but possibly some sensible ones aswell

boss called me in his office yesterday, the senior management team had been down to discuss cost savings within our branch as we've been under performing for 2 years now. he asks me if i'd like to go for a job in a different division to ours - now this job is similar to what i do but some of the stuff they're asking for i have no experience in at all.

so, as i'm one of the higest paid in our branch are they trying to shift me sideways so they don't have to pay me redundancy? i don't want the other job, it'll mean me working on my own and it's further from home. should i just stick it out and wait and see what happens? should i make plans now by actively looking for other jobs?

not sure what to do to be honest, my boss insists he's just thinking of me and my career but he doesn't do anything without an ulterior motive!

They are never thinking of you. The minute you start thinking that, you are f*cked. Its a business at the end of the day.

It does sound like they want to hang on to you though. If they wanted rid of you, they would just get on with it.

The new job may not be ideal for you, but its an income while you hunt for the next one. The job market is tough just now, so personally i wouldnt risk taking redundancy, unless the offer was amazing.

Stevo_666

Sounds like you've already partly answered your own question Kev, but may be worth checking what you're entitled to by way of redundancy to see how much effort you want to put into looking for alternatives. If you're feeling ballsy, ask your boss if redundancy is an option and see what his reaction is :twisted:

And if does come to pay-offs they're trying to short change you, it's often worth hiring an employment lawyer to put the sh1ts up them - the thought of going to court often produces a better offer. I've not done this myself but i know a few people who have.

spongtastic

Supersensible advice would be to take the other position, but get it in writing that it counts as continuos employment for redundancy purposes. New job + still getting the same redundancy package if they get rid of you = win.

I'd still look round though. I'm supposed to be in an interview now, but decided not to go after they changed the job to include Middlesborough amongst the sites in East Anglia they wanted me to look after. FFS.

thekickingmule

What DCR00 said IMHO.

Isn't it AV stuff you do? If so, I'd definitely be taking the other job, learn new skills (does your employer know you'd need to be taught stuff?) and be on the lookout for another job.
Being someone that works somewhat in the AV field, I know that there are very few jobs at the moment. Even the companies that hire freelancers are using the same, trusty people again and again. The market place is very scared at the moment, as there's hundreds of people able to AV stuff, and so very few jobs.

I can see your predicament though, it's a tough one. I'd have it out with your boss, find out what the real reason they're offering you this post is. They should be honest with you.

Anywho, [crud reponse] leave your boss in a ditch with head facing backwards, and then get his job. Sorted. [/crud response]

Stevo_666

spongtastic wrote:

I'm supposed to be in an interview now, but decided not to go after they changed the job to
include Middlesborough amongst the sites in East Anglia they wanted me to look after. FFS.

If they did that it means they don't want you

spongtastic

Stevo 666 wrote:

spongtastic wrote:

I'm supposed to be in an interview now, but decided not to go after they changed the job to
include Middlesborough amongst the sites in East Anglia they wanted me to look after. FFS.

If they did that it means they don't want you

Unfortunately it's common in my area of work. My present company used to think that commuting to Doncaster 2 days a week was ok to set up a project. What was worse was that our parent company actually thought I'd be running it along with all the other suff I've got.

Northwind

How's the redundancy package? Mine was ****ing awesome Only hard part was outlasting all the efforts to manage us out that inevitably came first- one of which was trying to shift us into inappropriate other roles.

welshkev

thekickingmule wrote:

I can see your predicament though, it's a tough one. I'd have it out with your boss, find out what the real reason they're offering you this post is. They should be honest with you.

A]

yeah i wanted to chat to him today about it but he's gone to hull to pick up his new 5 series BMW estate...says it all really

not sure about redundancy package, i've been here 6 years. but a lad asked last month about voluntary redundancy and they turned him down :?

sheepsteeth

welshkev wrote:

are they trying to shift me sideways

firstly, i think you will find that i am pretty much the only person who can do anything "sideways"

cooldad wrote:

Rhyl is a pretty

agreed and also, my mum lives there

welshkev wrote:

rhyl for your kicks

should be the tagline on the tourist adverts for rhyl, where my mum lives.

seriously for a moment though, does redundancy work the same everywhere?

where i work, if you are no longer required for your current job they will offer you a new one operating eggs or counting blankets or some such hippy nonsense, if you refuse you can be sacked with no redundancy.

i think the argument is that "we dont need you in the job you have but we will happily give you this shitty job and if you dont want it, thats your fault."

if it is the case that there is no role for you and no other role available, you would get a juicy handful (my obvious and necessarys are a juicy handful mind) of freeeeeeeeee cash.

DCR00

Stevo 666 wrote:

spongtastic wrote:

I'm supposed to be in an interview now, but decided not to go after they changed the job to
include Middlesborough amongst the sites in East Anglia they wanted me to look after. FFS.

If they did that it means they don't want you

Middlesborough isnt in East Anglia ?

cat_with_no_tail

sheepsteeth wrote:

[longer .

Thats like my obvious when compared to yours.

Welsh_Tom

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/RedundancyAndLeavingYourJob/index.htm

allen.coulson

cooldad wrote:

Mr Coulson makes a lot of sense for a cruddie post.

I'm Miss if you dont mind.

allen.coulson

welshkev wrote:

allen.coulson wrote:

Hi,

Offering you a job in another part (well consulting with you over other types of work) of the business is part of the legally required process of redundancy. If it is just an exercise and there is no real job then you are out anyway. If it is meaningful then my advice is to take it BECAUSE of the novelty - to say, some time down the line, that you have developed new skill is a big +.

I can also assure you that redundancy money just evaporates irrespective of how long you calculate it will last.

Companies are not taking on staff and who says that the job you take will not be total rather partial sht.

Good luck though.

in my line of work, most of the work is very similar no matter who you work for so apart from management style it will be more or less the same and i know most of the managers/owners of the other companies as there's only 5 or 6 local to me.

i won't be taking the other job even though it may look good on my CV, so it's redundancy or different job time :?

OK F'em.

Go for constructive dismissal by offering you a job that you do not have experience of. If you've been there for more than a year then you can go to an employment tribunal and provided you make your own case then chances are you will win. Bring along a mixed race baby and it is a certainty.

Take the gloves off and have a go for everything - loss of office, redundancy, unfair dismissal, constructive dismissal. Find a case in the office where someone has been fired and given a big package or lie about it.

Rememnber 'they' cannot take anything away from you so be as agressive as you want with the aim of getting more.

Best.

welshkev

allen.coulson wrote:

cooldad wrote:

Mr Coulson makes a lot of sense for a cruddie post.

I'm Miss if you dont mind.

but allen is such a boys name...just like bob in blackadder

welshkev

@allen.coulson: cheers for the sensible advice. like i said earlier i wanted to chat today with my boss but he'd sodded off to pick up his new car. the whole company is a mess and 2 other people in the branch are in limbo,with me telling one of the sales guys (my ex boss) what he was now doing - he had no idea and hadn't been told himself by my boss. and another person who has taken a transfer from up north, sold their house etc etc etc and has been down here 4 months only to be told that she's no longer needed down here and she has to move back north ffs!!!

Northwind

allen.coulson wrote:

Go for constructive dismissal by offering you a job that you do not have experience of. If you've been there for more than a year then you can go to an employment tribunal and provided you make your own case then chances are you will win. Bring along a mixed race baby and it is a certainty.

But do bear in mind that you'll be applying for other jobs at some point and there's nothing better to have in an employment history than "sued the company". Constructive's a BATNA really.

DCR00

allen.coulson wrote:

welshkev wrote:

allen.coulson wrote:

Hi,

Offering you a job in another part (well consulting with you over other types of work) of the business is part of the legally required process of redundancy. If it is just an exercise and there is no real job then you are out anyway. If it is meaningful then my advice is to take it BECAUSE of the novelty - to say, some time down the line, that you have developed new skill is a big +.

I can also assure you that redundancy money just evaporates irrespective of how long you calculate it will last.

Companies are not taking on staff and who says that the job you take will not be total rather partial sht.

Good luck though.

in my line of work, most of the work is very similar no matter who you work for so apart from management style it will be more or less the same and i know most of the managers/owners of the other companies as there's only 5 or 6 local to me.

i won't be taking the other job even though it may look good on my CV, so it's redundancy or different job time :?

OK F'em.

Go for constructive dismissal by offering you a job that you do not have experience of. If you've been there for more than a year then you can go to an employment tribunal and provided you make your own case then chances are you will win. Bring along a mixed race baby and it is a certainty.

Take the gloves off and have a go for everything - loss of office, redundancy, unfair dismissal, constructive dismissal. Find a case in the office where someone has been fired and given a big package or lie about it.

Rememnber 'they' cannot take anything away from you so be as agressive as you want with the aim of getting more.

Best.

very hard to prove, especially if they have offered you a viable alternative (just cause you don't fancy the job doesn't make it non-viable...)

I tried for constructive dismissal with a previous employer and was told in no uncertain terms by employment lawyer that i was wasting my time. I was told that the best cases are when an employer doesn't follow the rule of law when dealing with disciplinary/redundancy etc, then you have them banged to rights and they normally settle out of court.

The reality of this situation is that you don't fancy the job that they have offered you as an alternative, but that's no base for legal action. Take the job and look for another one. Worst case scenario, you get some different experience and then a new job that you want without losing out financially. If you try and sue them, wave goodbye to your reference, which after 6 years is gonna look pretyy suspect to a new employer....