Lighter water - URGENT help needed!!!

ooermissus

I have just swapped out my bottle cage for a carbon beauty - saving 21g on the old one for the bargain price of only £1.50 per gram!

However, to my horror, I have now realised that the water that I carry in it is really really really heavy. 500 grams for just half a litre - and that's before you even factor in the bottle itself! It's INSANE! :shock:

Not even drinking it helps - as the weight doesn't go away (duh!) - it simply moves the centre of gravity up, which is BAD.

Now I know you can get heavy water for nuclear reactors, but what about light water? Are people already using it? Does it EVEN exist? If not, shouldn't some budding entrepreneur invent it and make good money from those of us who want to shave off the grams?

Even a 10% saving ("light-ish" water) would be well worth it, while superlight water would be a bigger breakthrough than CARBON!!!!!!!!! :idea:

Lazarus

ooermissus wrote:

Even a 10% saving ("light-ish" water) would be well worth it, while superlight water would be a bigger breakthrough than CARBON!!!!!!!!! :idea:

Ice

It's lighter than water by 9% I'm led to believe

There are some difficulties in drinking it, but I if I am right this problem is solved if you are patient.

Anonymous

The trick is to blow bubbles through the water before you put it in your bottle.

For best results pour the water in a saucepan and use a straw to blow bubbles through it for about 5 minuets.

With practice you should achieve a 20-25% weight saving.

deptfordmarmoset

Steam might work. It doesn't weigh much, does it?

Stewie Griffin

I thought at first that we should tell water about the cutbacks and that it's going to have to lose a hydrogen molecule. Of course I then realised that that's a stupid idea and that what we need to do is put more hydrogen in as it's lighter than air. There you go. Take that to the Dragons, remembering that it's 50% mine.

fish156

Have you considered dessicated water?

Master Beights

Already sorted

solosuperia

It is heart breaking when you pick up your even half filled bottle. The weight!
I have a different ongoing problem, for years I have been searching for an electrolyte replacement beer. Does not need to be hypertonic, isotonic would be fine.
My research has involved drinking a lot of beer, in quite a few cases the results have been inconclusive and I have had to to perform the same tests over and over again.

Should I apply to the EU to fund my research?

McBain_v1

A sachet of dehydrated water would seem to be the answer here, either that or water impregnated with Helium rather than the usual Carbon Dioxide

Ginjafro

Try H2O tablets, just add water.....

ooermissus

fish156 wrote:

Have you considered dessicated water?

I like the idea, but you want to reduce the density of water without taking the wetness out, otherwise you won't get the same hydration/weight ratio.

Perhaps we're just not being bold enough - rather than drier water, what about lighter and wetter water? :!: :!: :!:

lemoncurd

Take one of these with you, fill up from a nearby stream or pond when thirsty.

ziggycycledust

I hate this conundrum as well! My advice would be to cycle in heavy rain with your mouth open! Obviously you would have to do it naked so that your clothes didn't become heavier with the extra water!

Full body wax could save a couple of grams! Perhaps try crying before you cycle to empty the tear ducts! Nails trimmed to the nubs... and i wonder how much a kidney weighs??

Stiff_Orange

SoloSuperia wrote:

It is heart breaking when you pick up your even half filled bottle. The weight!
I have a different ongoing problem, for years I have been searching for an electrolyte replacement beer. Does not need to be hypertonic, isotonic would be fine.
My research has involved drinking a lot of beer, in quite a few cases the results have been inconclusive and I have had to to perform the same tests over and over again.

Should I apply to the EU to fund my research?

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holmeboy

There's Moisture in the air, just breath really really quickly. You won't need to carry bottles. I'll buy youre carbon jobby off you.

Rouge Penguin

Have you considered osmosis?

The first steps are too put your hand in a bowl of water as you sleep. Your body then begins absorbing the nourishing liquid by itself. After a few weeks, move onto holding your hand under the tap at work for 10minutes at a time, chanting 'there's no place like frome' under your breath.

By week four, you should be able to drink water from the surrounding air through your pores.

RDW

Scientists in China have recently developed a new method for producing deuterium-depleted drinking water, which contains less 'heavy water' than normal tap water:

http://pubs.acs.org/stoken/presspac/pre ... /ie101820f

It's not clear if they're aware of the enormous potential market for this product amongst weight-conscious cyclists.

thepeopleschamp

Have you considered carrying an empty bottle, waiting until you need to take a leak then drinking your own urine?

It's sterile and 95% water and as you're carrying it anyway there's no increase in weight.

Wirral_paul

Carry two bottles and simply fill one with Hydrogen and the other with oxygen. Quick gasp of each and job's a good un.

As a bonus, the hydrogen bottle will actually float if you get a light enough bottle!! Actually thinking of it - team domestiques may actually float away if they use this tactic in the TdF when collecting for the team. :idea:

plowmar

Bah !!! Too scientific you lot.

There's a valley up in North Yorkshire where you can get this light water stuff, at least that's what it says on sign posts.

And another thing water is naturally lighter up here. There's been many a day when I've seen it floating in the air.

LangerDan

This is what you want

rick_chasey

Deuterium-depleted water is what you're looking for.

ooermissus

Rick Chasey wrote:

Deuterium-depleted water is what you're looking for.

OMG. Exciting.

And - no surprise here - the Chinese are leading the way in trying to bring light water to the masses:

In an effort to produce mass quantities of healthier H2O, Chinese scientists have come up with a new method to change water’s chemical composition. It involves making light water...

[Currently] it’s hard to produce — current methods include electrolysis, distillation, a high-temperature exchange method that uses hydrogen sulfide, and desalination from seawater, according to authors Feng Huang and Changgong Meng of the Department of Chemistry at Dalian University of Technology in China. These methods are either expensive, inefficient or bad for the environment.

The authors propose a new method involving a platinum catalyst, which quickly removes deuterium from water using cold and hot temperatures, according to the American Chemical Society. The result is water with a deuterium concentration of roughly 125 ppm.
The method could be the basis for industrial-scale light water production — and a new way to produce huge quantities of healthier water for the masses.

Soon we'll all be importing our water direct from China, I reckon - just like the rest of our bikes.

But how much weight am I going to save? And are they going to be able to provide it at acceptable cost? There's no way I am paying more than £2 a gram at the upper limit - I am not made of money!!!!

DrewDubya

You are all thinking too small

Water has a molar mass of 18.0148 g / mol. (Based on the naturally ocurring isotopes)

Taking deuterium depleted water further there is an isotope of oxygen with a molecular weight of only 12 (a 25% reduction over 'natural' oxgyen)

This means you could have lighter water at just 14 g / mol - a massive weight saving over normal water

The only issue is that it will have a half-life of less than a fraction of a second before decaying into nitrogen - but you can't have everything.

DavidBelcher

SoloSuperia wrote:

I have a different ongoing problem, for years I have been searching for an electrolyte replacement beer. Does not need to be hypertonic, isotonic would be fine.

I'm afraid I can't recommend a suitable beer, but if you want something stronger, try this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06254FF0o10

Edit: I see someone beat me to it with the same M&W clip. Oh well....



David

CambsNewbie

Stewie Griffin wrote:

I thought at first that we should tell water about the cutbacks and that it's going to have to lose a hydrogen molecule. Of course I then realised that that's a stupid idea and that what we need to do is put more hydrogen in as it's lighter than air. There you go. Take that to the Dragons, remembering that it's 50% mine.

Remember the Dragons are going to want double whatever equity stake you offer, a kidney, first dibs on your corneas and your first born's soul to be kept for eternity...

Wirral_paul

This thread made it to Cycling+ this month. Page 51. Roll-call of honour goes to:-

Ooermissus
RichardSwt
Deptfordmarmoset
Stewie Griffin
Fidh156
McBain_v1
Ziggycycledust
Me!!

Enjoy your month of fame guys!!

Mike67

Wirral_Paul wrote:

Carry two bottles and simply fill one with Hydrogen and the other with oxygen. Quick gasp of each and job's a good un.

As a bonus, the hydrogen bottle will actually float if you get a light enough bottle!! Actually thinking of it - team domestiques may actually float away if they use this tactic in the TdF when collecting for the team. :idea:

Of course...the resultant explosion would blow a rather large hole in your esophagus....but I guess that would save some weight too :shock:

rick_chasey

Wirral_Paul wrote:

This thread made it to Cycling+ this month. Page 51. Roll-call of honour goes to:-

Ooermissus
RichardSwt
Deptfordmarmoset
Stewie Griffin
Fidh156
McBain_v1
Ziggycycledust
Me!!

Enjoy your month of fame guys!!

I didn't make the list?

Outrageous.

g00se

There is a solution.... The cyclist's friend, yes carbon...

You can now get water that is based upon carbon: carbonated water...

It's not cheap though, compared to normal water. The best is from the small European factories, such as Evian and.....


Campagnol'eau...

ddraver

Nah that Campagnolo water is just overpriced, shiny tat that people who have been suckered into buying it feel like they have to evangelise about it to each other becasue they re so upset....(*ducks*)

SRAM water is much nicer, hence people hjave won so many races on it, although this new electric water from Shimano (D2I) sounds interesting, especially now there is a cheaper version available...