Getting away from the 'norm'.

13dsb

I've lurked these forums for a while and finally got around to signing up.

Seems a good community of like minded people, but maybe too like minded? I mean does anyone here NOT buy from Wiggle? Or NOT buy Specialized, Trek, Giant and/or Ribble bikes?!

Ribble do some of the worst carbon on the market and anything they do which isnt carbon, is simply not worth talking about. Specialized &Trek are overpriced and living on their respective names in the market. Brands like CUBE are knocking them out of the market with their 2012 road bike spec & prices.

I think newbies to cycling are too eager to just jump at big names because they think they will be reliable, which isnt always the case, do market research!

Anyway, I probably sound like a right c***, but I just wanted to get some peoples opinions on other brands of general cycling gear & equipment...

ciao.

sloppyschleckonds

Wat do ypou ride?

13dsb

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

Wat do ypou ride?

A custom build atm. Alloy frame, carbon fork, ultegra equipment.

SLX01

13dsb wrote:

Anyway, I probably sound like a right c***, but I just wanted to get some peoples opinions on other brands of general cycling gear & equipment...

ciao.

We agree on one thing then!!

13dsb

SLX01 wrote:

13dsb wrote:

Anyway, I probably sound like a right c***, but I just wanted to get some peoples opinions on other brands of general cycling gear & equipment...

ciao.

We agree on one thing then!!

8)

sloppyschleckonds

13dsb wrote:

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

Wat do ypou ride?

A custom build atm. Alloy frame, carbon fork, ultegra equipment.

And me

What do you think of Rapha clothing?

13dsb

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

13dsb wrote:

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

Wat do ypou ride?

A custom build atm. Alloy frame, carbon fork, ultegra equipment.

And me

What do you think of Rapha clothing?

Nice one.

I've never worn it myself, haven't heard anything bad though. Personally I like Moa gear.

Bozman

It's not the first time that Trek, Specialized and c*** have been used in the same post.

kev77

i like this guy!

billy whippet

completely agree - flabbergasted how few people seem to want to look beyond the most obvious and mainstream brands. I don't do specialized, giant, trek, shimano, but do do custom steel and a custom ti, with a few other odd built up bikes for particular purposes.

13dsb

billy whippet wrote:

completely agree - flabbergasted how few people seem to want to look beyond the most obvious and mainstream brands. I don't do specialized, giant, trek, shimano, but do do custom steel and a custom ti, with a few other odd built up bikes for particular purposes.

At last! Hat off to you

SLX01

billy whippet wrote:

completely agree - flabbergasted how few people seem to want to look beyond the most obvious and mainstream brands.

Probably for the same reason the roads are not full of Caterhams and Morgans.

13dsb

SLX01 wrote:

billy whippet wrote:

completely agree - flabbergasted how few people seem to want to look beyond the most obvious and mainstream brands.

Probably for the same reason the roads are not full of Caterhams and Morgans.

No, just no.

Chad_c_Mulligan

I have a Genesis Vapour which when I bought it (2007) was still slightly more expensive than the equivalent focus, but I wanted to support by LBS.

Then when I bought my Trek 1.9 in 2009 it was the best value for money around for me in terms of spec and I really love the way it looks.

nochekmate

Given the opinionated start, I think that the new forumite will settle in just nicely

Why does it bother you what other people ride? It's their money and their choice!

Me - I've got a Trek Madone 6.9, which you no doubt hate (Good bike for the £1500 that it cost me to put it together). SRAM Red & Easton EA90 SLX wheels. I'm happy and don't care that you prefer not to ride a Trek..

13dsb

nochekmate wrote:

Given the opinionated start, I think that the new forumite will settle in just nicely

Why does it bother you what other people ride? It's their money and their choice!

Me - I've got a Trek Madone 6.9 (Good bike for the £1500 that it cost me to put it together). SRAM Red & Easton EA90 SLX wheels. I'm happy and don't care that you prefer not to ride a Trek.

It doesn't bother me at all, you can ride what you like just like you can drive what you like in terms of cars. I just thought it would generate some dicussion value. It's a topic I thought people might want to discuss you know? Rather than just starting a thread to say 'HIYA'.

I think the market will turn anyway, German bikes in general are really starting to break away and the market isnt just dominated by our pals across the pond anymore.

merak

13dsb wrote:

Ribble do some of the worst carbon on the market and anything they do which isnt carbon, is simply not worth talking about..

And your evidence for that is what precisely?

Cliveyp

I've not been on here long, having only really got into biking seriously in the last few months. I've never shopped at Wiggle, I've hardly even looked at their website. I do, on the other hand, have a Trek. I've only just got it (picked it up 3 hours ago) and love it. I did buy it based on the fact that it was a brand I knew and was reduced to a price I could afford. I would have liked a Cube mind as I had wanted one of their MTB's, but I also wanted to support my local shop and they didn't stock them!

Still, I like this thread!

Monty Dog

Don't hold back on your opinions then?
Interested on what basis you make some of your assumptions , do you think Planet-x are cr@p too because they're made in the same factory as some of the Ribble frames?
Dissing the likes of Trek, Specialized and so forth and proclaiming that Cube are better kinda dismantles your argument :roll:

13dsb

Monty Dog wrote:

Don't hold back on your opinions then?
Interested on what basis you make some of your assumptions , do you think Planet-x are cr@p too because they're made in the same factory as some of the Ribble frames?
Dissing the likes of Trek, Specialized and so forth and proclaiming that Cube are better kinda dismantles your argument :roll:

99% of bikes are made in one of 4 factories which are all next to each other so it doesn't matter which one the 2 are made in. It;s the carbon thats the problem, it's cheap and usually naked (teehee) carbon.

I used Cube as the example because of the sheer spec this year, I mean a full carbon, 105 fitted road bike for £1250, £250 cheaper than last year is ridiculous.

I think the power is moving to Europe.

I wouldn't spend my money on a planet X.

billy whippet

Actually, (rather embarrassingly given my earlier post) I do have an early silver 5500 OCLV frame (trek) that I retired a few years ago - I bought it new when they first came out almost 20 years ago, and actually, thought they look great then - really beautiful. However, the point remains - the whole culture of looking beyond the obvious just makes cycling so much more rich and interesting - and it's hard to find real beauty in mainstream brands. Think how beautiful Rob Penn's custom steel bike was that he had made in the doc on BBC last year - truly breathtaking. Custom frames don't have to be more expensive, just more beautiful, individual and interesting.

thegreatdivide

Sorry but this is bollox.

If buying a 'big' brand introduces a person to the world of road bikes it doesn't matter what that person buys/rides.

SLX01

13dsb wrote:

Monty Dog wrote:

Don't hold back on your opinions then?
Interested on what basis you make some of your assumptions , do you think Planet-x are cr@p too because they're made in the same factory as some of the Ribble frames?
Dissing the likes of Trek, Specialized and so forth and proclaiming that Cube are better kinda dismantles your argument :roll:

99% of bikes are made in one of 4 factories which are all next to each other so it doesn't matter which one the 2 are made in. It;s the carbon thats the problem, it's cheap and usually naked (teehee) carbon.

I used Cube as the example because of the sheer spec this year, I mean a full carbon, 105 fitted road bike for £1250, £250 cheaper than last year is ridiculous.

I think the power is moving to Europe.

I wouldn't spend my money on a planet X.

Most European bikes are made in the far east your arguments are just plain stupid. I personally don't use Wiggle I use Chainreaction as they are cheaper but if you point me in the direction of a single local bike shop that has the same variety and amount of stock as any of the big online stockists I'll gladly go there.

13dsb

SLX01 wrote:

13dsb wrote:

Monty Dog wrote:

Don't hold back on your opinions then?
Interested on what basis you make some of your assumptions , do you think Planet-x are cr@p too because they're made in the same factory as some of the Ribble frames?
Dissing the likes of Trek, Specialized and so forth and proclaiming that Cube are better kinda dismantles your argument :roll:

99% of bikes are made in one of 4 factories which are all next to each other so it doesn't matter which one the 2 are made in. It;s the carbon thats the problem, it's cheap and usually naked (teehee) carbon.

I used Cube as the example because of the sheer spec this year, I mean a full carbon, 105 fitted road bike for £1250, £250 cheaper than last year is ridiculous.

I think the power is moving to Europe.

I wouldn't spend my money on a planet X.

Most European bikes are made in the far east your arguments are just plain stupid. I personally don't use Wiggle I use Chainreaction as they are cheaper but if you point me in the direction of a single local bike shop that has the same variety and amount of stock as any of the big online stockists I'll gladly go there.

Well clearly, otherwise i'd have said '99% of bikes that arnt European are made....'.

The carbon isnt created in the factory brain box.

sloppyschleckonds

thegreatdivide wrote:

Sorry but this is bollox.

If buying a 'big' brand introduces a person to the world of road bikes it doesn't matter what that person buys/rides.

A very valid point. Except the thread is titled 'getting away from the norm'

SLX01

13dsb wrote:

SLX01 wrote:

13dsb wrote:

Monty Dog wrote:

Don't hold back on your opinions then?
Interested on what basis you make some of your assumptions , do you think Planet-x are cr@p too because they're made in the same factory as some of the Ribble frames?
Dissing the likes of Trek, Specialized and so forth and proclaiming that Cube are better kinda dismantles your argument :roll:

99% of bikes are made in one of 4 factories which are all next to each other so it doesn't matter which one the 2 are made in. It;s the carbon thats the problem, it's cheap and usually naked (teehee) carbon.

I used Cube as the example because of the sheer spec this year, I mean a full carbon, 105 fitted road bike for £1250, £250 cheaper than last year is ridiculous.

I think the power is moving to Europe.

I wouldn't spend my money on a planet X.

Most European bikes are made in the far east your arguments are just plain stupid. I personally don't use Wiggle I use Chainreaction as they are cheaper but if you point me in the direction of a single local bike shop that has the same variety and amount of stock as any of the big online stockists I'll gladly go there.

Well clearly, otherwise i'd have said '99% of bikes that arnt European are made....'.

The carbon isnt created in the factory brain box.

Well its lucky you came along then, have you informed all the worlds top cyclists that they will never win any races unless whilst riding nasty carbon bikes made in the far east. I'm sure Mark Cavendish will be defending his title on a steel framed bike next year after hearing your advice.

jim453

I think all your stuff is crap but I like all my stuff because it's better.

Good discussion.

There'll be plenty of guys and girls on this site who would drop you like you were standing still, even if they were riding a bottom of the range spesh or trek.

Personally, I don't care what anyone rides.

13dsb

SLX01 wrote:

13dsb wrote:

SLX01 wrote:

13dsb wrote:

Monty Dog wrote:

Don't hold back on your opinions then?
Interested on what basis you make some of your assumptions , do you think Planet-x are cr@p too because they're made in the same factory as some of the Ribble frames?
Dissing the likes of Trek, Specialized and so forth and proclaiming that Cube are better kinda dismantles your argument :roll:

99% of bikes are made in one of 4 factories which are all next to each other so it doesn't matter which one the 2 are made in. It;s the carbon thats the problem, it's cheap and usually naked (teehee) carbon.

I used Cube as the example because of the sheer spec this year, I mean a full carbon, 105 fitted road bike for £1250, £250 cheaper than last year is ridiculous.

I think the power is moving to Europe.

I wouldn't spend my money on a planet X.

Most European bikes are made in the far east your arguments are just plain stupid. I personally don't use Wiggle I use Chainreaction as they are cheaper but if you point me in the direction of a single local bike shop that has the same variety and amount of stock as any of the big online stockists I'll gladly go there.

Well clearly, otherwise i'd have said '99% of bikes that arnt European are made....'.

The carbon isnt created in the factory brain box.

Well its lucky you came along then, have you informed all the worlds top cyclists that they will never win any races unless whilst riding nasty carbon bikes made in the far east. I'm sure Mark Cavendish will be defending his title on a steel framed bike next year after hearing your advice.

As far as im aware MC doesn't ride a planet X...

Theres nothing wrong with Specialized, Trek and Giant expect they are imo overpriced and are complacent because they sell due to the big name. I think there are better bikes out there for less than those three demand.

My own frame is a re sprayed specialized.

desweller

You don't have a tall bike then as your daily ride?

I'm disappointed. I mean, if we're talking about getting away from the norm...

a340driver

So if it's popular, then by default it's uncool.

Damn hipsters!

SLX01

13dsb wrote:

SLX01 wrote:

13dsb wrote:

SLX01 wrote:

13dsb wrote:

Monty Dog wrote:

Don't hold back on your opinions then?
Interested on what basis you make some of your assumptions , do you think Planet-x are cr@p too because they're made in the same factory as some of the Ribble frames?
Dissing the likes of Trek, Specialized and so forth and proclaiming that Cube are better kinda dismantles your argument :roll:

99% of bikes are made in one of 4 factories which are all next to each other so it doesn't matter which one the 2 are made in. It;s the carbon thats the problem, it's cheap and usually naked (teehee) carbon.

I used Cube as the example because of the sheer spec this year, I mean a full carbon, 105 fitted road bike for £1250, £250 cheaper than last year is ridiculous.

I think the power is moving to Europe.

I wouldn't spend my money on a planet X.

Most European bikes are made in the far east your arguments are just plain stupid. I personally don't use Wiggle I use Chainreaction as they are cheaper but if you point me in the direction of a single local bike shop that has the same variety and amount of stock as any of the big online stockists I'll gladly go there.

Well clearly, otherwise i'd have said '99% of bikes that arnt European are made....'.

The carbon isnt created in the factory brain box.

Well its lucky you came along then, have you informed all the worlds top cyclists that they will never win any races unless whilst riding nasty carbon bikes made in the far east. I'm sure Mark Cavendish will be defending his title on a steel framed bike next year after hearing your advice.

As far as im aware MC doesn't ride a planet X...

Theres nothing wrong with Specialized, Trek and Giant expect they are imo overpriced and are complacent because they sell due to the big name. I think there are better bikes out there for less than those three demand.

My own frame is a re sprayed specialized.

You actually said they are all cr@p as they are made in the same factory. They are not complacent they actually spend shed loads on development and research. They sell because they are available off the shelf with a good waranty from the high street and usually at a discount price. I cannot see what your point actually is as you seem to change your view in every post? When out riding the most popular road bikes I see are either Boardmans or Cervelos I cannot actually remember seeing a Giant or Trek outside a race for ages.