Tyres for Llandegla

rocketman76
rocketman76 Posts: 195
edited October 2011 in MTB buying advice
I do the majority of my riding at LLandegla (and will do mostly over the winter, with maybe a trip to Penmachno thrown in once i get my confidence up!)).

SO

What sort of tyre should I be looking at. I'm riding a hardtail if that makes any difference? I'm not an agressive rider but I like to try and ride the downhills pushing myself a little harder each time (i can cover the black at LLandegla with minimal fuss). So I guess I'm looking for something lightweight with good grip.

I have seen the following, just wondered if any of the tyres are correct or if not i'm open to suggestions (and any explanation of the differences would be VERY much appreciated)..

Schwalbe Fat Albert Performance
http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/TYSCFALPF/schwalbe-fat-albert-performance-folding-tyre

Schwalbe Jimmy Light Folding (whats the folding reference to?_
http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/TYSCJIMLT/schwalbe-jimmy-light-folding-tyre

Schwalbe nobbly nic evo folding
http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/TYSCNICEVO/schwalbe-nobby-nic-evo-folding-tyre

Schwalbe Rocket Ron Evo Folding
http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/TYSCRRONEVO/schwalbe-rocket-ron-evo-folding-tyre

Cheers
Dave
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  • John Moore
    John Moore Posts: 580
    Any
  • rocketman76
    rocketman76 Posts: 195
    John Moore wrote:
    Any

    so you're telling me they're all the same? no performance difference between any of them!
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  • Neal_
    Neal_ Posts: 477
    I think by "Any" he means any tyre by any manufacturer will be fine there because the trails are pretty smooth with plenty of grip. I ride there occasionally and I'm pretty sure my current tyres (Maxxis Crossmark rear & Advantage front) will be fine all through the winter...until it snows!

    A better question might be "What are good tyres for Penmachno?" as it's a more technical trail.
  • Dirtydog11
    Dirtydog11 Posts: 1,621
    For wet hardpack (Penmachno/Llandegla), a Maxxis Minion DHF ST 2.35 single ply 42a up front and a 60a highroller or 60a minion DHF on the back.

    Folding means the tyre has a kevlar bead, non folding tyres are slightly heavier but are less expensive due to the fact they use a steel wire bead.
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  • rocketman76
    rocketman76 Posts: 195
    Thanks. Will look into the Maxxis options you guys have mentioned.
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  • pj101
    pj101 Posts: 31
    I too ride mainly at Llandegla (closest non-mudfest), but also the clwyds, and other trail centres in North Wales.

    Bought a new bike with nobby nics on, rode them a few times, put them in the bin and put a maxxis advantage 2.35 on the front and a 2.1 on the rear (I think that's the sizes). Really pleased with them.

    I've also got specialized captain control on my opther bike and they're really good as well. I think specialized tyres are really good, but are often overlooked in favour of the trendy tyre names.
  • tsenior
    tsenior Posts: 664
    Dirtydog11 wrote:
    For wet hardpack (Penmachno/Llandegla), a Maxxis Minion DHF ST 2.35 single ply 42a up front and a 60a highroller or 60a minion DHF on the back.
    .

    this is a joke right? :?
  • Pudseyp
    Pudseyp Posts: 3,514
    Deggy is dificult due to the surface...Noby Nics are great in the dry but a bit tetchy when damp....Panaracer Fire XC pro is a great allrounder along with High Rollers....

    I would not use minions !
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  • rocketman76
    rocketman76 Posts: 195
    interestring..

    causing some difference of opinion. and why wouldn't it i guess.

    It proves how difficult it is to choose. If I was to say these will now become something of a winter tyre (given the sudden end of our indian summer!) then i guess that rules out the Nobby Nics.

    Whats up with the minions?
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,708
    You could ride semi slicks at Llandegla....

    My usual selections are:-

    All Mountain - Ardent F, High Roller R in 2.3 or equivalent (I have an old Crossmark in 2.3 I use if it gets Super dry

    Summer XC - Aspen F, Crossmark R in 2.1
    Autumn XC - ADvantage F, High Roller R in 2.1
    Mud - Bonty Mud-X

    I ve moved from Snowdon Mountains to Dutch Sand dunes recently so I ve built up a wide collection of tyres
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  • John Moore
    John Moore Posts: 580
    Neal_ wrote:
    I think by "Any" he means any tyre by any manufacturer will be fine there because the trails are pretty smooth with plenty of grip.


    What he says.

    Unless your going for the best lap time
  • rocketman76
    rocketman76 Posts: 195
    no fear of a best lap time. Just getting around is a start!!!
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  • tom_howard
    tom_howard Posts: 789
    Well, I'm off for the first time on sunday, I'll be using Panaracer Fire FR 2.4s, as my only other choice is some worn out Maxxis Lopes Bling Bling 2.35s, as current fiscal conditions prevent me from having a warehouse full of tyres, so my choice is 'wet' or 'dry'.

    Forcast is grim, so 'wet' it is :)
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  • Dirtydog11
    Dirtydog11 Posts: 1,621
    tsenior wrote:
    Dirtydog11 wrote:
    For wet hardpack (Penmachno/Llandegla), a Maxxis Minion DHF ST 2.35 single ply 42a up front and a 60a highroller or 60a minion DHF on the back.
    .

    this is a joke right? :?

    What do you find funny? :?
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  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    They're pretty heavy, draggy tyres for trailcentre work... Obviously they'll do the job but it's kinda overkill
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  • Dirtydog11
    Dirtydog11 Posts: 1,621
    Northwind wrote:
    They're pretty heavy, draggy tyres for trailcentre work... Obviously they'll do the job but it's kinda overkill

    What do you think your pedals are for? :wink:

    Seriously though, running one on the front's really not that bad IMO especially once the temperatures begin to fall, it's not something that's given much (if any) consideration but from experience and it makes a quite a difference.

    I certainly wouldn't run Super Tackys on the rear or during the Summer months but I'm more than willing to put up with the small increase in rolling resistance for the large increase in grip they offer in wet and or cold conditions, you can almost disregard the fact that it's wet.

    Clogging is not an issue as neither trail has anything in the way of mud, it's just a pity they don't do an EXO version as its not uncommon at Penmachno to pick up a slashed tyre wall.

    You could probably get around Llandegla faster on CX bike than a MTB, so as Neal said...... A better question might be "What are good tyres for Penmachno?" which was how I interpreted it, hence the slightly belt and braces approach.
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  • stubs
    stubs Posts: 5,001
    Dont think he needs a Minion tyre at either Penmach or Lland its been a while since I rode either but theres nothing slippery that needs that much grip. Unless Penmach needs some serious maintenance as I said its been a while.

    A general purpose tyre will be fine, if your looking for speed and a surprising amount of grip try the Maxxis Ignitor its not the grippiest tyre around but they do okay and I never had them clog in normal mud.
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  • rocketman76
    rocketman76 Posts: 195
    I've got ignitors on at the moment, and to be honest with the fact there seemingly is no ideal tyre (I was hoping it was more simplistic like choosing a golf ball!!!), and the ignitors seem OK, I'm probably going to run them through the winter, then upgrade to something with a bit less weight in the spring, when I'll hopoefully be a bit more proficient and see the benefit of a faster rolling tyre...
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,666
    rocketman76 wrote:
    no fear of a best lap time. Just getting around is a start!!!
    I that case, quit worrying about your tyres and just go ride.
  • John Moore
    John Moore Posts: 580
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    rocketman76 wrote:
    no fear of a best lap time. Just getting around is a start!!!
    I that case, quit worrying about your tyres and just go ride.

    Well said, you won't believe the tyres I'll be running around there for a couple of laps this Sunday morning.
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  • tsenior
    tsenior Posts: 664
    Dirtydog11 wrote:
    tsenior wrote:
    Dirtydog11 wrote:
    For wet hardpack (Penmachno/Llandegla), a Maxxis Minion DHF ST 2.35 single ply 42a up front and a 60a highroller or 60a minion DHF on the back.
    .

    this is a joke right? :?

    What do you find funny? :?

    i dont: are you advising someone to get DH tyres for use at llandegla (or penmachno for that matter)? not good buying advice IMO, you can get away with somthing lighter and cheaper. FTR i like the highroller as an allrounder on the front for more "genral" use :wink:
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,666
    Minion single ply tyres are hardly DH tyres, and the 2.35 version is about as wide as most tyre manufacturer's 2.1" or 2.2"
    42A is a bit much though
  • Neal_
    Neal_ Posts: 477
    No one will be riding anything there this Sunday!

    http://www.oneplanetadventure.com/2011/ ... tober-201/
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    2.35 Minion does say "DH specific" or something on the side, to be fair. But we all ignore it, just like we ignore the bit that says "front" and "rear" and fit 2 fronts.
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  • Dirtydog11
    Dirtydog11 Posts: 1,621
    edited October 2011
    tsenior wrote:
    Dirtydog11 wrote:
    tsenior wrote:
    Dirtydog11 wrote:
    For wet hardpack (Penmachno/Llandegla), a Maxxis Minion DHF ST 2.35 single ply 42a up front and a 60a highroller or 60a minion DHF on the back.
    .

    this is a joke right? :?

    What do you find funny? :?

    i dont: are you advising someone to get DH tyres for use at llandegla (or penmachno for that matter)? not good buying advice IMO, you can get away with somthing lighter and cheaper. FTR i like the highroller as an allrounder on the front for more "genral" use :wink:


    2.35 Single ply Minions come in at around 700 grams for the folding version and despite the DH tag are definitely not downhill tyres, they're not fit for the purpose.

    By the sounds of things Maxxis are doing themselves a disservice, maybe they should drop the DH tag on the 2.35 single plys and call them Minion Trail or something similar.

    Carcass construction is no different than single ply Highrollers.

    42a isn't for everyone but they do allow you to carry on pushing hard in wet conditions when you might otherwise be forced to ease off .

    I'm not sure getting away with something lighter and cheaper is necessarily better.
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  • tsenior
    tsenior Posts: 664
    fairy nuff the ones on my mates bike felt like they were reinforced with DU covered with no more nails or somthing. :lol:
  • Dirtydog11
    Dirtydog11 Posts: 1,621
    tsenior wrote:
    fairy nuff the ones on my mates bike felt like they were reinforced with DU covered with no more nails or somthing. :lol:

    Might of been 2.5 EXO they do come up narrow.
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  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    Dirtydog11 wrote:
    2.35 Single ply Minions come in at around 700 grams for the folding version and despite the DH tag are definitely not downhill tyres, they're not fit for the purpose.

    My folding Supertacky's 850g :?
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  • Neal_
    Neal_ Posts: 477
    Neal_ wrote:
    No one will be riding anything there this Sunday!

    http://www.oneplanetadventure.com/2011/ ... tober-201/

    Turns out they've sorted a diversion so it is open on Sunday

    http://www.oneplanetadventure.com/2011/ ... ay-091011/
  • John Moore
    John Moore Posts: 580
    Neal_ wrote:
    Neal_ wrote:
    No one will be riding anything there this Sunday!

    http://www.oneplanetadventure.com/2011/ ... tober-201/

    Turns out they've sorted a diversion so it is open on Sunday

    http://www.oneplanetadventure.com/2011/ ... ay-091011/

    I was just about to post that link up.
    I'm aiming to get there before any traffic issuses for about 9am and doing a couple of laps, the diversion leaving will add about 10 minutes onto the travelling time.

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