Women competing in Men's competition

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  • Daz555
    Daz555 Posts: 3,976
    clanton wrote:
    Cycling wise it seems womean can't beat (the top) men. They certainly can in other disciplines thoiugh such as extreme distance running and extreme distance swimming - in both of these the current record holders are i believe women.
    What distances?
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  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Channel Swimming Records :

    Fastest Crossing
    Petar Stoychev (Bulgaria), England to France in six hours, 57 minutes and 50 seconds on 24 August 2007.

    Fastest Woman
    Yvetta Hlavacova (Czech Republic) seven hours, 25 minutes and 15 seconds on 5 August 2006.

    Fastest Two-Way Solo, England/France/England
    Phil Rush (New Zealand), 16 hours 10 minutes, 1987.

    Fastest Two-Way Solo Woman
    Susie Maroney (Australia), 17 hours 14 minutes, 1991.



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    Covering 135 miles (217km) non-stop from Death Valley to Mt. Whitney, CA, the Badwater Ultramarathon is the most demanding and extreme running race offered anywhere on the planet. The start line is at Badwater, Death Valley, which marks the lowest elevation in the Western Hemisphere at 280’ (85m) below sea level. The race finishes at the Mt. Whitney Portals at nearly 8,300’ (2530m). The Badwater course covers three mountain ranges for a total of 13,000’ (3962m) of cumulative vertical ascent and 4,700’ (1433m) of cumulative descent.

    COURSE RECORDS:
    Men’s: Valmir Nunes, 2007, Brazil: 22:51:29.
    Women’s: Jamie Donaldson, 2010, USA: 26:16:12.
  • Alumin-Liam
    Alumin-Liam Posts: 75
    ...and Jamie Donaldson is quite clearly a man's name :)
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  • estampida
    estampida Posts: 1,008
    this whole thing can be condensed down:

    If a woman was able to do comparative lap times (say F1), if she really could be a contender for just 1 podium, not just a stunt...................

    the sponsors would be all over her like a rash, and she would get a drive no prob's

    but they dont even the quickest (a nascar driver) was rumoured to join f1, she had a test and could not cope with the stress and strain of the f1 sport (skills were not transferable)

    and why did they choose to publicise this failure???

    someone wrote about it a the time to prove a point that is obvious

    maybe sports like shooting can be cross gendered but physical sports will probably stay segregated.
  • clanton
    clanton Posts: 1,289
    Daz555 wrote:
    clanton wrote:
    Cycling wise it seems womean can't beat (the top) men. They certainly can in other disciplines thoiugh such as extreme distance running and extreme distance swimming - in both of these the current record holders are i believe women.
    What distances?

    http://www.cmudc2011.org/news/11/09/lizzy-hawker-smashes-the-world-24-hour-record

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susie_Maroney

    http://www.worldrecordsacademy.org/sports/longest_solo_unassisted_ocean_swim_Penny_Palfrey_sets_world_record_112309.html
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    Liquorice Allsort anyone ?

    And thats why BB was the best womens racer there's ever been. Even better than that Long Ago woman....................

    I even have her autograpgh to prove it (although I wished I'd actually talked to her at WHS Smiths in Harrogate in 1986 when she signed her autobiograpghy).
  • eh
    eh Posts: 4,854
    As noted above women can and do race in mixed road races in the UK. However, even the top women are going to struggle against a decent 2nd cat. I've raced in a 3rd cat mens race with an elite or 1st cat (can't remember exactly) woman, on the Stokenchurch circuit in the Chilterns and I think she was well outside the top 20, although certainly wasn't last.

    One thing about women is that their power to weight ratio compared to men is poor, so they typically suffer badly on climbs. I bet even Emma Pooley couldn't stay with Cav on an alpine climb, or possibly even decent club riders.
  • LeicesterLad
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    I Got overtaken by Lucy Garner once :oops:
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  • BikingBernie
    BikingBernie Posts: 2,163
    eh wrote:
    One thing about women is that their power to weight ratio compared to men is poor, so they typically suffer badly on climbs. I bet even Emma Pooley couldn't stay with Cav on an alpine climb, or possibly even decent club riders.
    Someone like Pooley, who is one of the best female climbers in the world, actually has a very good power to weight ratio, but at only 50Kg she still won't be putting out any more than 260-280W at threshold. Given this, when up against a typical second cat it would outright power where she would most likely to be found wanting. That said, whilst Pooley could probably see of the majority off second cats on a long climb, she would still be off the pace of a decent 1st/ elite club rider, nevermind someone like Cavendish. (Assuming he was going for it, rather than only aiming to beat the cut off, as he usually does.)

    Of course, put Pooley up against even the biggest pros on a short 'power' climb, as you find in a race like the Tour of Flanders, and she would probably be blown away within 100m! I watched both the men's and women's Tour of Flanders a couple of years ago and, when watching at the roadside, the difference in speed between the two races on the cobbled climbs was astonishing, even though the women were only doing half the distance of the men.
  • Paulie W
    Paulie W Posts: 1,492
    BikingBernie wrote:
    eh wrote:
    One thing about women is that their power to weight ratio compared to men is poor, so they typically suffer badly on climbs. I bet even Emma Pooley couldn't stay with Cav on an alpine climb, or possibly even decent club riders.
    Someone like Pooley, who is one of the best female climbers in the world, actually has a very good power to weight ratio, but at only 50Kg she still won't be putting out any more than 260-280W at threshold. Given this, when up against a typical second cat it would outright power where she would most likely to be found wanting. That said, whilst Pooley could probably see of the majority off second cats on a long climb, she would still be off the pace of a decent 1st/ elite club rider, nevermind someone like Cavendish. (Assuming he was going for it, rather than only aiming to beat the cut off, as he usually does.)

    Of course, put Pooley up against even the biggest pros on a short 'power' climb, as you find in a race like the Tour of Flanders, and she would probably be blown away within 100m! I watched both the men's and women's Tour of Flanders a couple of years ago and, when watching at the roadside, the difference in speed between the two races on the cobbled climbs was astonishing, even though the women were only doing half the distance of the men.

    I'm just wondering how many times you can say exactly the same thing.
  • BikingBernie
    BikingBernie Posts: 2,163
    Paulie W wrote:
    I'm just wondering how many times you can say exactly the same thing.
    Dunno. As many times as people add to a thread after failing to fully read what has already been said on the topic?
  • Paulie W
    Paulie W Posts: 1,492
    The trouble is, it sounds like youve got an axe to grind. I'm wondering what that is...
  • luckao
    luckao Posts: 632
    However much we wish to strive for equality, I think science sufficiently explains why such ideas are fanciful.
  • saintdracula
    saintdracula Posts: 232
    Luckao wrote:
    However much we wish to strive for equality, I think science sufficiently explains why such ideas are fanciful.

    Not quite sure what you mean by that?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I don't understand what Birnie wants to prove.

    Female pros cycle slower than male pros.

    They usually cycle less far too.

    And?

    Does he think that's less watchable? Fine.

    Some people prefer it, because of the different nature of the racing. Some don't, because they want to see different things - in this case, probably the limits of human capability in that sport.

    Not sure why you want to argue this so forcefully. You don't see me heading over to track to explain to them why track racing is clearly rubbish.
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  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    Paulie W wrote:
    I'm just wondering how many times you can say exactly the same thing.
    Stick around internet forums and you'll find out the answer is a very big number.
  • luckao
    luckao Posts: 632
    saintdracula wrote:
    Luckao wrote:
    However much we wish to strive for equality, I think science sufficiently explains why such ideas are fanciful.

    Not quite sure what you mean by that?

    They're slower.
  • BikingBernie
    BikingBernie Posts: 2,163
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Not sure why you want to argue this so forcefully. You don't see me heading over to track to explain to them why track racing is clearly rubbish.
    For one, I quite enjoy taking part in a good debate. I also tend to stick my heels in when other posters start directing ill-informed, judgmental comments at me. Perhaps that's the 'caveman' in me. :wink:

    (Of course, in reality we all are 'cavemen' - and 'cavewomen' - given that the human race / 'human nature' hasn't changed substantially in the last 50-100 thousand years or so, whatever the postmodernists, social constructivists and rad fems might like to believe.)
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    BikingBernie wrote:
    For one, I quite enjoy taking part in a good debate.
    This isn't a good debate.
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  • hotoph88
    hotoph88 Posts: 58
    dougzz wrote:
    Paulie W wrote:
    I'm just wondering how many times you can say exactly the same thing.
    Stick around internet forums and you'll find out the answer is a very big number.
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    BikingBernie wrote:
    For one, I quite enjoy taking part in a good debate.
    This isn't a good debate.

    Fantastic - funniest 2 comments in days. Made my recovery session !
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,095
    BikingBernie wrote:
    Someone like Pooley, who is one of the best female climbers in the world, actually has a very good power to weight ratio, but at only 50Kg she still won't be putting out any more than 260-280W at threshold. Given this, when up against a typical second cat it would outright power where she would most likely to be found wanting. That said, whilst Pooley could probably see of the majority off second cats on a long climb, she would still be off the pace of a decent 1st/ elite club rider, nevermind someone like Cavendish. (Assuming he was going for it, rather than only aiming to beat the cut off, as he usually does.)

    She did ok on the Haute Route event, 4th overall against some pretty elite men, Peter Pouly, an ex pro racer won the event and holds the Strava record for ADH. Pooley managed 49:50 on the Alpe that day which would give her a Strava top ten.
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,243
    davidof wrote:
    She did ok on the Haute Route event, 4th overall against some pretty elite men, Peter Pouly, an ex pro racer won the event and holds the Strava record for ADH. Pooley managed 49:50 on the Alpe that day which would give her a Strava top ten.
    Ha, that makes me feel a little better. Earlier this year Peter Pouly won the 'race' up Doi Inthanon in Thailand (possibly the hardest road climb in the world if you like a challenge) in a time of just over 2 hours and 7 minutes. He beat the guy in second, a professional and specialist climber on the OCBC Singapore team (UCI Continental I think) by 20 minutes so I knew he was pretty good.

    Me, I just about broke 3 hours 30.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
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  • RDW
    RDW Posts: 1,900
    While we're revisiting this thread:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vos-to- ... ming-years

    Marianne Vos now rides for the Rabobank women's team, but could she one day ride for the ProTour team? Women's team manager Jeroen Bleijlevens is looking into the possibility, “purely to learn, not to win.”
  • liquor box
    liquor box Posts: 184
    On Eurosports coverage of the team time trial in Australia they started the broadcast with highlights of the Womens TTT, they did mention that one of the women had the highest W/KG of any man or woman in pro cycling.

    I unfortunately did not pay attention to who it was but she was by far the smallest cyclist in her team
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,095
    Rick Chasey wrote:
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    Yes but we've got some more data now about top women cyclists.
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  • DeadCalm
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    davidof wrote:
    She did ok on the Haute Route event, 4th overall against some pretty elite men, Peter Pouly, an ex pro racer won the event and holds the Strava record for ADH. Pooley managed 49:50 on the Alpe that day which would give her a Strava top ten.
    49:50? That is decent.

    By way of comparison, here's the top 100 list of active riders on ADH.

    http://www.fillarifoorumi.fi/forum/show ... ost1908101

    5 minutes or so off Tommy Voeckler and Christian Vandevelde.
  • alan_a
    alan_a Posts: 1,584
    liquor box wrote:
    On Eurosports coverage of the team time trial in Australia they started the broadcast with highlights of the Womens TTT, they did mention that one of the women had the highest W/KG of any man or woman in pro cycling.

    I unfortunately did not pay attention to who it was but she was by far the smallest cyclist in her team

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  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,095
    DeadCalm wrote:
    davidof wrote:
    She did ok on the Haute Route event, 4th overall against some pretty elite men, Peter Pouly, an ex pro racer won the event and holds the Strava record for ADH. Pooley managed 49:50 on the Alpe that day which would give her a Strava top ten.
    49:50? That is decent.

    Especially as it was part of a long multi-day mountain stage "race", not like she just wheeled up and decided to "ride the Alpe" one day. At least the haute-route was over proper distances not like the truncated women's pro race stages.
    By way of comparison, here's the top 100 list of active riders on ADH.

    http://www.fillarifoorumi.fi/forum/show ... ost1908101

    5 minutes or so off Tommy Voeckler and Christian Vandevelde.

    Interesting information.
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  • liquor box
    liquor box Posts: 184
    Alan A wrote:
    liquor box wrote:
    On Eurosports coverage of the team time trial in Australia they started the broadcast with highlights of the Womens TTT, they did mention that one of the women had the highest W/KG of any man or woman in pro cycling.

    I unfortunately did not pay attention to who it was but she was by far the smallest cyclist in her team

    Emma Pooley
    I dont know, I had heard of Pooley before, it was not a name that rings a bell

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