police and bikes
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Damn, I was looking forward to ranting and swearing at the police on friday night.
By the way, I didn't read it in the paper I heard it on Radio 5 where they had a 15 minute debate on it (oh, and when there's a
in a post it is generally a sign that it wasn't being written too seriously!) 0 -
I should have put one in my post too, although I think alwaystoohot was being serious, and your first post that mentioned it didn't have a
Yeah, as full fact said, the BBC also went with the wrong version of the story as well as a number of papers.
It's still bullocks though 0 -
bails87 wrote: I should have put one in my post too, although I think alwaystoohot was being serious, and your first post that mentioned it didn't have a
Yeah, as full fact said, the BBC also went with the wrong version of the story as well as a number of papers.
It's still bullocks though
It's those damned smilies, they aren't working for me so I have to type them in long hand. How did people ever understand context on internet forums before they were invented lol0 -
Well its a shame that did not happen when I saw a group of 15 yeaorlds swearing and throwing stones at police in Croydon, and even worse at the start of a race I was in at Milton Keynes Bowl when there were about 30 youngsters, all between about 12 and 16, and there were 6 police vehicles and about 20 policemen.nunowoolmez wrote:Certainly not!!!!!
If someone told me to f off i'd have them in bracelets (cuffs) in seconds!!
Go & try it, you'll see what happens.
The MK incident was in the middle of the Bowl and away from any shops and the young knobheads were on their way to Bletchley to loot and could easily have been stopped.
It was so ridiculous we thought it was part of some training video as the ploice just sat in their vans advancing a couple of metres at a time whilst the yobs pelted their vehicles with stones and swore at them.
So I guess had you been there you would have arrested these teenagers?
I was on my bike warming up when this happened and I asked one of the officers sat in a vehicle why they just sat there and he ignored me completly and wound up his window!!
Two days previously, my daughter was booked for driving 50m in her boyfriends car at 15mph on a deserted industrial estate just to see what it was like, as she was not insured she got 6 points and £100 fine for that, absolutely pathetic.
What happened to officer's discretion ?
By the way I don't think the two incident were related
Seems the easy options are taken most of the time these days.0 -
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So you didn't make a citizens arrest?oldwelshman wrote:
Well its a shame that did not happen when I saw a group of 15 yeaorlds swearing and throwing stones at police in Croydon, and even worse at the start of a race I was in at Milton Keynes Bowl when there were about 30 youngsters, all between about 12 and 16, and there were 6 police vehicles and about 20 policemen.nunowoolmez wrote:Certainly not!!!!!
If someone told me to f off i'd have them in bracelets (cuffs) in seconds!!
Go & try it, you'll see what happens.
The MK incident was in the middle of the Bowl and away from any shops and the young knobheads were on their way to Bletchley to loot and could easily have been stopped.
It was so ridiculous we thought it was part of some training video as the ploice just sat in their vans advancing a couple of metres at a time whilst the yobs pelted their vehicles with stones and swore at them.
Seems the easy options are taken most of the time these days.0 -
First thing first, i`d like to point out that i think the OP is complete pratt.
However, theres a couple of posts here that obviously been written by highly intelligent professional people that i feel i ought to take slight issue with.Xommul wrote:Hiya, maybe i can help clarify
You cant get points on your driving licence from road traffic offences commited on a bicycle.
Maybe the officer was trying to impress upon you that if you were in a car then these would have been the offences you would have committed and then you would have got points.
However,
Not abiding by an instruction given by a police officer in uniform is an offence - failing to stop. This is an offence that comes with a fine and up to 6 months in prison (severe cases). This offence is the only justification an officer needs to make your day shitty.
Riding on the pavement is also an offence £30 fine, this offence also provides a pcso and constable the power to stop you, failing to stop again is an offence.
Other offences you committed under Road traffic act 1988
Sec 28 dangerous cycling
Sec 29 Cycling without due care and attention
And finally sec 31 - Racing without authorisation - i.e taking part in a speed trial without authorisation - mainly used to prevent traffic obstruction or prevent danger to and from traffic.
So yup, there is a lot you could get in trouble for but you would end up in court with fines, costs and in extreme circs a sentance of up to 6 months.
So you got off with a good bollocking, better then court? Maybe taking notice wont hurt, lets hope you dont ride the red lights and get flattened by a truck which covers the road with your brains as that pc may end up first on scene and have to then have to tell your nexk of kin you are dead!! Not a nice job at all my friend,
Lesson to us all, ride sensibly, bike vs car = car
Taking part in a speed trial does`nt need authorisation, a time trial is a speed trial and it is legal on the highway . To promote one you have to inform the police of your intent , you do not need nor require their consent. However a road race does require the authorisation of the police.nunowoolmez » 11 Dec 2011 20:39
As an officer in the MET i will say this. Any cyclist idiotic or foolish enough to jump a red or use a pavement in an officers / police cars presence is at the mercy of the officer. It is extremely rare for any tickets to be issued as unfortunately we spend our time dealing with more pressing matters, however, some stern words of advice & a public bollocking usually satisfies in this scenario. However, any cyclist stupid or brave enough to argue the toss will immediately fail what we refer to as the 'attitude test' & may end up with above mentioned tickets.
As a cyclist it really angers & frustrates me that so many fellow cyclists appear to think they are immune from Road Traffic regulations & that for some reason the Highway Code does not apply to them. I make a point of offering some salient words of advice to these people & this gives me great satifaction - especially when it is someone who should really know better!
Having no lights is another bug of mine. Its's not rocket science, it's dark, get some lights & don't wear all black. Otherwise we make people get off & walk. These mindless fools are not only endangering themselves (their choice), but also lives of other road users (not their choice).
So anyone with the temerity to suggest we are wasting time or being a bit off or such like, please think again. You know the law, abide by it! Especially if a police car is parked aside you at the lights!!!
Not using lights at night is obviously an offence but was unaware that it was also an offence to wear black clothing!constantly reavalueating the situation and altering the perceived parameters accordingly0 -
Yeah, were you not aware of section 9a of the Cycling Act 1993*? It states that
"At no time should a person, while on a pedal cycle, while cycling in conditions other than light, be wearing clothing not likely to be visible to other road users"
Penalty is 3 months imprisonment at most, or a £1000 fine.
* I have made this up.
Only joking, i was merely pointing out that those who do not wear some form of high vis/brightly coloured clothing with their black clothing, should use a bit of common sense! :-)0 -
Nominations for "No1 Idiot of the Year" thread ? :twisted:0
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No but I did tell them top go home and play on their playstationsbails87 wrote:
So you didn't make a citizens arrest?oldwelshman wrote:
Well its a shame that did not happen when I saw a group of 15 yeaorlds swearing and throwing stones at police in Croydon, and even worse at the start of a race I was in at Milton Keynes Bowl when there were about 30 youngsters, all between about 12 and 16, and there were 6 police vehicles and about 20 policemen.nunowoolmez wrote:Certainly not!!!!!
If someone told me to f off i'd have them in bracelets (cuffs) in seconds!!
Go & try it, you'll see what happens.
The MK incident was in the middle of the Bowl and away from any shops and the young knobheads were on their way to Bletchley to loot and could easily have been stopped.
It was so ridiculous we thought it was part of some training video as the ploice just sat in their vans advancing a couple of metres at a time whilst the yobs pelted their vehicles with stones and swore at them.
Seems the easy options are taken most of the time these days. 0 -
Freshly looted?!oldwelshman wrote:No but I did tell them top go home and play on their playstations0 -
Watch any of those programmes where they follow coppers around on duty - some dreadful example of pettiness there. My father in law is a retired policeman and my wife hates people being rude to police but even she's shouting at the screen after a bit.0
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Jeez. Okay. Lets try & clear things up a little. We Police use legislation under the Public Order Act. This is broken down into sections.
Section 5: This is when someone is using words and/or behaviour likely to cause harrassment alarm or distress to anyone in a public area. This is an offence. That means if someone tells me to fuck off it is highly likely someone else would hear & therefore they would get nicked.
Section 4a: As above but with the added fear of violence by way of threatening behaviour/words/actions. Worse offence.
Section 4: As above but directed at a somebody in particular. Much worse offence.
Affray: Actions putting somebody of reasonable firmness in fear. Better get a pretty good breif.
Violent Disorder: Rioting. Hope you like porridge.
So, just because somebody somewhere has said you can swear at police. Come on, really? In a normal everyday scenario you should still get arrested. I cannot speak for county forces obviously!
In regard to mass disorder situations. If there is a load of irate, hostile, volatile yobs throwing stuff officers, do you actually think it appropriate to walk over & attempt arrest? This greatly endangers officer safety & if arrests are made it depletes numbers of officers to actually deal with the situation effectively. It is basic officer safety. Remember, our number one mission is to preserve (public) life & property.
I work in Haringey which is the borough where an officer was murdered & was pretty much decapitated in a scenario not disimilar to those seen in the summer. There is reason we sometimes don't directly engage!!!
So before those who think they know what they are talking wade in with comments, please take time to think about what you are saying. It may make you look like a total arse.
And no, i don't need any more training thanks.
Peace0 -
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nunowoolmez wrote:
So, just because somebody somewhere has said you can swear at police. Come on, really? In a normal everyday scenario you should still get arrested. I cannot speak for county forces obviously!
Yeah it's a little different out in the rural where nearest custody is 20-30 mins away depending on where I am, and if that's full then it's 50-60mins away. If I nick someone for telling me to fcuk off I'm out of the game for up 4 hrs including transport, booking into custody and doing a 'handover pack' for them to be dealt with in the morning when sober. And that then often leaves my area with no cover during this time..
Back to the original post... It's all about the attitude..0 -
So if I swear at you as an individual I get arrested, but if in a group of 50 or so and all throwing stones I dont get arrested for safety reasons ?nunowoolmez wrote:Jeez. Okay. Lets try & clear things up a little. We Police use legislation under the Public Order Act. This is broken down into sections.
Section 5: This is when someone is using words and/or behaviour likely to cause harrassment alarm or distress to anyone in a public area. This is an offence. That means if someone tells me to fark off it is highly likely someone else would hear & therefore they would get nicked.
Section 4a: As above but with the added fear of violence by way of threatening behaviour/words/actions. Worse offence.
Section 4: As above but directed at a somebody in particular. Much worse offence.
Affray: Actions putting somebody of reasonable firmness in fear. Better get a pretty good breif.
Violent Disorder: Rioting. Hope you like porridge.
So, just because somebody somewhere has said you can swear at police. Come on, really? In a normal everyday scenario you should still get arrested. I cannot speak for county forces obviously!
In regard to mass disorder situations. If there is a load of irate, hostile, volatile yobs throwing stuff officers, do you actually think it appropriate to walk over & attempt arrest? This greatly endangers officer safety & if arrests are made it depletes numbers of officers to actually deal with the situation effectively. It is basic officer safety. Remember, our number one mission is to preserve (public) life & property.
I work in Haringey which is the borough where an officer was murdered & was pretty much decapitated in a scenario not disimilar to those seen in the summer. There is reason we sometimes don't directly engage!!!
Peace
Some of the riots on TV I would agree not to arrest for safety but surely all cases have to be looked at individually?
In the case I described in MK there were as many oficers as youngsters and these were just teenagers and younger, not adults and about a third of them were teenage girls.
Sureley the reason that the situation escalated so badly and nationaly was partly due to the fact that they realised that most of the participants were not being arrested.
To me and many others the policy initially seemed to be to rely on cctv and arrest at a later date but this was flawed as the nuber of rioters increased as they thought they could get away with it.
Personaly I think many of the hard core rioters got away scot free and quite a few of the ones caught were either hangers on or opportunists.
All of this is my opinion of course, but who am I , I am just a noral law abiding citizen with views, maybe views of noral people should be listened to some times and more respect would be earned.0 -
Valid points all & i quite agree. Like i said, i cannot speak for county forces as they don't habitually deal with this sort of thing.
As Dougal from Father Ted said... "Down with sort of thing". Actually, in the black plaque student riots i saw someone holding a banner with this on. As i was stood there having stuff thrown at me, this was quite a surreal moment!!0
