Women and aggressive driving/cycling (Brain-ache-bint)

notsoblue

HebdenBiker wrote:

...or perhaps we blokes are a just all a bit guilty of this

Bingo.

Kieran_Burns

notsoblue wrote:

HebdenBiker wrote:

...or perhaps we blokes are a just all a bit guilty of this

Bingo.

I've read about that, but there are lots of articles that refute the theory

cornerblock

notsoblue wrote:

HebdenBiker wrote:

...or perhaps we blokes are a just all a bit guilty of this

Bingo.

Bingo, definately a Women's game.

DonDaddyD

Greg66 wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Here's the thing.

Personally I think it's because Women don't believe they have anything to lose. Two blokes involved there is a measured approach to def-con nuclear.. Women, my Mum and Mrs DDD including, just go straight for the nuclear option and loose their tempers (far quicker than men).

Why? They've never had to deal with real retaliation, they've probably always experienced men restraining themselves during bouts of road rage while they fly off the handle. They've never had to worry about a tear up in the street like you can get between two men. You see a the tear up is an option for men, for your everyday woman it's largely not a possibility.

When I was younger I saw one woman do the same thing that was done to me but she did knock the cyclist off. He got up lifted his bike up and repeatedly attempted tried to put the wheel through her window. At the time I was like "Oh how terrible, a Man doing that to a Woman". Thinking back to it, she was inconsiderate and dangerous. F*ck her, should have landed the tyre on her chin arrogant cow.

Little did she know that she was mere seconds away from you grabbing her by the vajazzle and forcing her to say sorry!

The trusted old crotch grab. Settles any argument that does - especially domestics....

Go on Greg, next time Mrs 66 argues with you grab the crotch look her in the eye and shout quite ferociously "crotch grab!!!!"

My personal fav is "I OWN THIS!!!"

veronese68

Kieran_Burns wrote:

notsoblue wrote:

HebdenBiker wrote:

...or perhaps we blokes are a just all a bit guilty of this

Bingo.

I've read about that, but there are lots of articles that refute the theory

But you just want them to say that, so that's how you read them...

jedster

I've read about that, but there are lots of articles that refute the theory

greg66_tri_v2.0

DonDaddyD wrote:

Greg66 wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Here's the thing.

Personally I think it's because Women don't believe they have anything to lose. Two blokes involved there is a measured approach to def-con nuclear.. Women, my Mum and Mrs DDD including, just go straight for the nuclear option and loose their tempers (far quicker than men).

Why? They've never had to deal with real retaliation, they've probably always experienced men restraining themselves during bouts of road rage while they fly off the handle. They've never had to worry about a tear up in the street like you can get between two men. You see a the tear up is an option for men, for your everyday woman it's largely not a possibility.

When I was younger I saw one woman do the same thing that was done to me but she did knock the cyclist off. He got up lifted his bike up and repeatedly attempted tried to put the wheel through her window. At the time I was like "Oh how terrible, a Man doing that to a Woman". Thinking back to it, she was inconsiderate and dangerous. F*ck her, should have landed the tyre on her chin arrogant cow.

Little did she know that she was mere seconds away from you grabbing her by the vajazzle and forcing her to say sorry!

The trusted old crotch grab. Settles any argument that does - especially domestics....

Go on Greg, next time Mrs 66 argues with you grab the crotch look her in the eye and shout quite ferociously "crotch grab!!!!"

My personal fav is "I OWN THIS!!!"

But is that used by you, or on you?

DonDaddyD

notsoblue

Kieran_Burns wrote:

notsoblue wrote:

HebdenBiker wrote:

...or perhaps we blokes are a just all a bit guilty of this

Bingo.

I've read about that, but there are lots of articles that refute the theory

jedster

BTW - Personally I haven't found women to me more aggressive drivers. The full, frank and colourful exchanges of views that I have had have tended to be with men. I reckon men have higher expectations of women and so notice it more when they resort to silly male levels of willy-waggling behind the wheel. Doesn't mean I have been on the wrong end of foolishly pushy driving by women, just dont think its been disproportionate.

I also think that the levels of stereotyping and generalisation in this thread is a bit, well, dodgy...

LiT is being lighthearted but I reckon a woman who was new to these boards might find this thread a bit dubious TBH.

bdave262000

Maybe its because they are up on bricks.

woodford2barbican

lost_in_thought wrote:

And y'all wonder why this forum is a sausage-fest...

Do you mean it is a bit cock-heavy in here?

DonDaddyD

jedster wrote:

LiT is being lighthearted but I reckon a woman who was new to these boards might find this thread a bit dubious TBH.

You wot!?

LiT, the burd who believes and said on this ery board that "Women have less spatial awareness than men!"

Thy horse be high, perhaps thou should dismount.

suzyb

HebdenBiker wrote:

In my experience, bad male drivers are aggressive and impatient, and bad female drivers just have no idea what is going on around them.

I agree with this.

I am not one of them however.

bails87

suzyb wrote:

HebdenBiker wrote:

In my experience, bad male drivers are aggressive and impatient, and bad female drivers just have no idea what is going on around them.

I agree with this.

I am not one of them however.

Would you know if you were?

Anyway, don't worry your pretty little head about that, go and pop the kettle on love.

the above is a joke!

Ride hard

Lordy. Lordy. I can really feel the love on this forum topic :?

@DDD - That was a rant and a half! I feel your pain though after getting involved in similar incidents in SW London's finest on a daily basis.

I can't really comment on the cycling/driving proficiency skills of males vs females, but I can say there seems to be a very high quota of twat drivers in Tooting for some reason. I've passed through Tooting every day for a year now on my daily commute, and without fail as soon as I hit what I now refer to the Tooting Triangle (the 2 mile stretch between St. George's Hospital and Balham tube station) parked car doors open, cars sudddently cut across two lanes to turn left, cars spontaneously combust etc etc.

I seriously don't know what it is about drivers in that area but I've come the conclusion that half of them need a dry back hand slap to knock some sense into them.

jedster

LiT, the burd who believes and said on this ery board that "Women have less spatial awareness than men!"

Actually DDD, that has been proven experimentally - on average, men have better spatial awareness. Similarly, on average, women are better at interpretting body language, better at multi-tasking, etc. That's not to say some women don't have excellent spatial awareness and vice versa.

Don't think any such scientific evidence supports the theory that women, on average, drive more aggressively than men. Unless I've missed it. Certainly not backed up by insurance claims etc.

Hey, I know this is all banter and not meant to be taken seriously but someone coming to it fresh might find an element of stupid misogynistic bullshit

DonDaddyD

jedster wrote:

LiT, the burd who believes and said on this ery board that "Women have less spatial awareness than men!"

Actually DDD, that has been proven experimentally - on average, men have better spatial awareness.

Well there you go then. Women make terrible drivers.

When they drive offensively it seems overly aggressive because they demonstrate a complete disregard for the World around them i.e. living life in a tunnel - "must keep going forward to get to my goal at all costs". When they drive defensively, same thing.

Rant is justified and point proven.

LOL

Keith1983

Gentlemen, I must declare that we have failed in our role as the superior sex and bought this tirade of crazy wimmin driver types on ourselves. For years now we have held doors open, pulled out chairs and laid our over garments over puddles to protect the members of the fairer (Translates into inferior) sex. We have since granted them the right to vote and they have thrown this back in our faces by thinking they should be entitled to equal rates of pay as us! It was only a matter of time before they began seeking equality on our roads (the roads that have been built by men!). Unfortunately they can only try and achieve this by using overly aggressive tactics. Gentlemen we need to nip this in the bud! Let the fanny grabbing begin, and put them self richeous wimmin types back in their place! (The kitchen, incase you weren't sure!)

Barry Nice

What I find most interesting about this thread is that if anyone else had a rant which stereotyped a section of the community, say for instance black youths, using a couple of instances of personal experience to justify the stereotype, DDD would be all over the thread like a rash condemning it with the fiercest indignation his keybaord could muster.

By the way my wife is a crap and agressive driver; just saying

DonDaddyD

Ride hard wrote:

Lordy. Lordy. I can really feel the love on this forum topic :?

@DDD - That was a rant and a half! I feel your pain though after getting involved in similar incidents in SW London's finest on a daily basis.

I can't really comment on the cycling/driving proficiency skills of males vs females, but I can say there seems to be a very high quota of fool drivers in Tooting for some reason. I've passed through Tooting every day for a year now on my daily commute, and without fail as soon as I hit what I now refer to the Tooting Triangle (the 2 mile stretch between St. George's Hospital and Balham tube station) parked car doors open, cars sudddently cut across two lanes to turn left, cars spontaneously combust etc etc.

I seriously don't know what it is about drivers in that area but I've come the conclusion that half of them need a dry back hand slap to knock some sense into them.

The driving in Tooting could turn a person racist purely on the basis that it is a highly dense commercial area with a highly distinct ethnic population and somehow the driving nose divesonce you entire said 2 mile strip. Follow the crap driver out of Tooting and suddenly they demonstrate F1 levels of skill. In Tooting. F*ck me.

bails87

Barry Nice wrote:

What I find most interesting about this thread is that if anyone else had a rant which stereotyped a section of the community, say for instance black youths, using a couple of instances of personal experience to justify the stereotype, DDD would be all over the thread like a rash condemning it with the fiercest indignation his keybaord could muster.

I know, even if I joined in this myself, a couple of hours after being glad to see the back of a nasty racist post in the Rants section.

:oops:

Ride hard

DonDaddyD wrote:

Ride hard wrote:

Lordy. Lordy. I can really feel the love on this forum topic :?

@DDD - That was a rant and a half! I feel your pain though after getting involved in similar incidents in SW London's finest on a daily basis.

I can't really comment on the cycling/driving proficiency skills of males vs females, but I can say there seems to be a very high quota of fool drivers in Tooting for some reason. I've passed through Tooting every day for a year now on my daily commute, and without fail as soon as I hit what I now refer to the Tooting Triangle (the 2 mile stretch between St. George's Hospital and Balham tube station) parked car doors open, cars sudddently cut across two lanes to turn left, cars spontaneously combust etc etc.

I seriously don't know what it is about drivers in that area but I've come the conclusion that half of them need a dry back hand slap to knock some sense into them.

The driving in Tooting could turn a person racist purely on the basis that it is a highly dense commercial area with a highly distinct ethnic population and somehow the driving nose divesonce you entire said 2 mile strip. Follow the crap driver out of Tooting and suddenly they demonstrate F1 levels of skill. In Tooting. F*ck me.

It was just an observation, and nothing to do with the demographic of the area! We all have different experiences when cycling, walking, driving, etc etc, and I'm just giving you mine.

DonDaddyD

Barry Nice wrote:

What I find most interesting about this thread is that if anyone else had a rant which stereotyped a section of the community, say for instance black youths, using a couple of instances of personal experience to justify the stereotype, DDD would be all over the thread like a rash condemning it with the fiercest indignation his keybaord could muster.

By the way my wife is a crap and agressive driver; just saying

If there is a Bint that wants to type angry at me, go for it.

Seriously however,

My issue with the riots, as time has proven was two folded. One, a person 'antfly' I believe claimed that if the black population in the UK was reduced there would be less riots - or some such ignorant logic. Equally there were those who tried to insist upon the notion that the riots were ethnically driven. As time has proven and riots in other poor areas (Manchester for example) have proven, they weren't. I also believe trying to make the riots into a Black/White/Asian issue is counterproductive. They were about society and it's failings. They weren't about race.

If they were about race lets discuss that and to some degree lets joke that they burnt down Footlocker in Brixton - why are Black people angry about the price of trainers they wear? I always found Footlocker to damn expensive. The thing about jokes that generalise a population is they border funny and offensive when they are mostly an observational they can be funny. When they are mostly hateful - e.g. what antfly wrote - then they are offensive.

There are great women drivers and cyclist - I mean Vicky P manages to go around a velodrome without riding straight into a wall - but some just begger belief like the Woman in Morrisons (albeit not a car) who drove the trolley into my ass to get to a till despite me standing in front of her and being clearly visible.

I'm always willing to talk about ethnic issues and other hard topics.

DonDaddyD

Ride hard wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Ride hard wrote:

Lordy. Lordy. I can really feel the love on this forum topic :?

@DDD - That was a rant and a half! I feel your pain though after getting involved in similar incidents in SW London's finest on a daily basis.

I can't really comment on the cycling/driving proficiency skills of males vs females, but I can say there seems to be a very high quota of fool drivers in Tooting for some reason. I've passed through Tooting every day for a year now on my daily commute, and without fail as soon as I hit what I now refer to the Tooting Triangle (the 2 mile stretch between St. George's Hospital and Balham tube station) parked car doors open, cars sudddently cut across two lanes to turn left, cars spontaneously combust etc etc.

I seriously don't know what it is about drivers in that area but I've come the conclusion that half of them need a dry back hand slap to knock some sense into them.

The driving in Tooting could turn a person racist purely on the basis that it is a highly dense commercial area with a highly distinct ethnic population and somehow the driving nose divesonce you entire said 2 mile strip. Follow the crap driver out of Tooting and suddenly they demonstrate F1 levels of skill. In Tooting. F*ck me.

It was just an observation, and nothing to do with the demographic of the area! We all have different experiences when cycling, walking, driving, etc etc, and I'm just giving you mine.

Whoa, I was mostly agreeing with you in a jokingly way. Driving in Tooting = bad.

lost_in_thought

jedster wrote:

LiT, the burd who believes and said on this ery board that "Women have less spatial awareness than men!"

Actually DDD, that has been proven experimentally - on average, men have better spatial awareness. Similarly, on average, women are better at interpretting body language, better at multi-tasking, etc. That's not to say some women don't have excellent spatial awareness and vice versa.

Don't think any such scientific evidence supports the theory that women, on average, drive more aggressively than men. Unless I've missed it. Certainly not backed up by insurance claims etc.

Hey, I know this is all banter and not meant to be taken seriously but someone coming to it fresh might find an element of stupid misogynistic bullshit

People returning to it too... Mind you, we ought to be used to it.

DonDaddyD

lost_in_thought wrote:

jedster wrote:

LiT, the burd who believes and said on this ery board that "Women have less spatial awareness than men!"

Actually DDD, that has been proven experimentally - on average, men have better spatial awareness. Similarly, on average, women are better at interpretting body language, better at multi-tasking, etc. That's not to say some women don't have excellent spatial awareness and vice versa.

Don't think any such scientific evidence supports the theory that women, on average, drive more aggressively than men. Unless I've missed it. Certainly not backed up by insurance claims etc.

Hey, I know this is all banter and not meant to be taken seriously but someone coming to it fresh might find an element of stupid misogynistic bullshit

People returning to it too... Mind you, we ought to be used to it.

But you both have proven my point in your own way.

You both have conceded that Woman lack spatial awareness - needed to drive a car safely - the incident I describe is one where the female driver lacked spatial awareness continued on her path and endangered me. = Terrible driving.

I don't think in the OP I encouraged hatred towards Women. Annoyance, at times, yes.

Anyway. I'm done. It's been fun. I'll put the hairshirt on now and I've got an escalator to ride up. :P

king_jeffers

lost_in_thought wrote:

And y'all wonder why this forum is a sausage-fest...

I prefer the word

brodeo.

flight of the conchords wrote:

A get-together or a party where the attendance is prodominantly male.

rjsterry

DonDaddyD wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

jedster wrote:

LiT, the burd who believes and said on this ery board that "Women have less spatial awareness than men!"

Actually DDD, that has been proven experimentally - on average, men have better spatial awareness. Similarly, on average, women are better at interpretting body language, better at multi-tasking, etc. That's not to say some women don't have excellent spatial awareness and vice versa.

Don't think any such scientific evidence supports the theory that women, on average, drive more aggressively than men. Unless I've missed it. Certainly not backed up by insurance claims etc.

Hey, I know this is all banter and not meant to be taken seriously but someone coming to it fresh might find an element of stupid misogynistic bullshit

People returning to it too... Mind you, we ought to be used to it.

But you both have proven my point in your own way.

You both have conceded that Woman lack spatial awareness - needed to drive a car safely - the incident I describe is one where the female driver lacked spatial awareness continued on her path and endangered me. = Terrible driving.

I don't think in the OP I encouraged hatred towards Women. Annoyance, at times, yes.

Anyway. I'm done. It's been fun. I'll put the hairshirt on now and I've got an escalator to ride up. :P

Sorry, but BZZZZT! A study showing that there is a general tendency for men to have improved spatial awareness as compared with women is not the same as saying (all) women lack (completely?) spatial awareness. This is a general trend we're talking about. You don't encounter general trends on your commute, you encounter individual drivers whose spatial awareness (as if such a thing were easily and definitively measurable) will vary considerably from the 'average' for their gender. We all experience bad driving at times, and whether it's due to aggression or 'lack of spatial awareness' is beside the point. As others have pointed out, if you swap the word women for the word black in your post, you'd be (rightly) all over it. If one is unacceptable then so is the other.

ETA: Just the Beeb, so not full on science reporting, but illustrates the argument that driving isn't just about spatial awareness, but a number of skills.

BTW, I'm pretty clumsy at home - forever bumping into stuff/knocking things over/stubbing toes - but seem to be (touch wood) relatively accident free on my bike.

notsoblue

King Jeffers wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

And y'all wonder why this forum is a sausage-fest...

I prefer the word

brodeo.

flight of the conchords wrote:

A get-together or a party where the attendance is prodominantly male.

"Fiesta de bomberos"
(Fireman's Ball)